Episode 538 – Ford Ties Honda In Loyalty, BMW 1 Series M Coupe, VW to Offer Fender Audio System

December 10th, 2010 at 11:41am

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Ford is now tied with Honda for the highest loyalty rates in the American market accordin,g to a study by J.D. Power. BMW shares details on the newest addition to its M family, the 1 Series M Coupe. Volkswagen has partnered with Fender to introduce an all-new premium audio system. All that and more, plus a look at new safety technology from Volvo.


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This is Autoline Daily for Friday, December 10, 2010. And now, the news.

In yet another sign that American car-buyers now look favorably on American cars, Ford is now tied with Honda for the highest loyalty rates in the U.S. market. Sixty-two percent of Ford and Honda owners say they’ll go buy another one. That’s according to a study by J.D. Power, the Detroit News reports. Ford’s vehicles with the highest loyalty are the Edge, Fusion and F-Series pickup. For Honda, it’s the Accord, the CR-V and the Pilot. What are the most important things that keep customers coming back? Survey says: seating arrangement, styling, safety, deals and incentives, quality, and being fun to drive.

U.S. automakers make hundreds of thousands of flex-fuel vehicles every year, even though the American public doesn’t seem all that interested in them. Well, maybe they ought to think about exporting some of those E-85 vehicles to Thailand. Ward’s reports that the Thai government is going to cut the import tariff on those vehicles. Today that tariff is 80 percent, they’re going to cut it to 60 percent. It’s also slashing the import tariffs on parts needed to make E-85 vehicles. Thailand wants more flex-fuel vehicles to reduce its dependence on imported oil and to reduce emissions.

If you get too many tickets for speeding maybe this can help you slow down. According to Engadget, a Belgian safety organization created an app for the iPhone called Slow Down. If you drive too fast it will slow down the music you’re playing in the car. Once you get back to the speed limit the music will play normally. It’s only available in Belgium but it’s free.

And speaking of iPhone apps for your car, Bosch just introduced one for navigation. It shows landmarks in 3D, while less important details are kept in the background, making it easier for drivers to compare the map with their surroundings. The app can also show the driver the most ecological route in order to reduce fuel consumption and it even warns the driver if the car is moving too fast when approaching a curb. It’s available now at your “local” iTunes store.

You know, when it comes to cars Chinese and American buyers sure seem to like the same things. We like lots of room in our cars, and we like SUVs. According to Gasgoo, through October of this year, 1 million SUVs were sold in China, double last year’s numbers. And SUVs make up almost half of all imported vehicles. The growth in popularity is impressive considering no foreign or domestic brands have introduced a new SUV since January.

There’s a new addition to BMW’s M family. The Bavarian automaker’s newest high-performance model is called – surprise, surprise – 1 Series M Coupe. It’s available in three colors: black, white and striking Valencia Orange metallic, an exclusive hue. Ahead of the firewall BMW has fitted the car with a twin-turbocharged 3.0-liter straight-six that delivers 340 brake-horsepower. Fuel consumption is 9.6 liters per 100 clicks, nearly 25 miles per gallon. A six-speed manual transmission sends the power to the rear wheels through a special locking differential. The car launches in Germany next March with a price tag of nearly €51,000, including the country’s 19 percent value-added tax. Details of its North American debut will be announced at the Detroit Auto Show in January.

A few years back Volkswagen gave away Fender guitars with the purchase of new 2007 models. The V-Dub Rocks promotion might have been lost to history along with so many other sales incentives if the company hadn’t teamed up with the instrument maker again. This time, rather than giving away guitars, VW has partnered with Fender to introduce an all-new premium audio system. Among other things, the package features nine speakers, special extended-range tweeters and proprietary Panasonic audio technology. Autoblog reports the system will launch on select 2012 models including the Jetta GLI and the yet-to-be-unveiled new new-Beetle. Sounds good to me.

Coming up next, a look at new safety technology from Volvo that slams on the brakes if you’re about to hit someone.

Volvo prides itself on putting safety at the top of its brand image. Even though all automakers offer all kinds of safety technology, Volvo is always trying to top them all. Seamus McElroy reports on the company’s latest safety system.

Last year over 4,000 pedestrians were killed in the U.S. in car crashes and another 59,000 were injured. That’s why Volvo is introducing new technology with its S60 to help prevent pedestrian casualties.

It’s called Pedestrian Detection and as its name indicates, it warns the driver if there is a pedestrian or an object in the road with audible and visual warnings and if the driver doesn’t stop for whatever reason, the system will take over and stop the car by itself if it’s traveling under 22 MPH. And if it’s above that speed the car will slow down as much as possible before impact. It also kicks in if the car is about to hit another vehicle from behind.

So how does it work? Volvo’s Thomas Broberg explains.

Thanks for that report, Seamus. The Pedestrian Detection feature is included in Volvo’s safety package which is a $2,100 upgrade for the S60.

And that brings us to the end of today’s report on the top news in the global automotive industry. Thanks for watching, have a great weekend, we’ll see you on Monday.

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54 Comments to “Episode 538 – Ford Ties Honda In Loyalty, BMW 1 Series M Coupe, VW to Offer Fender Audio System”

  1. Tony Gray Says:

    Hey! No “You Said It” segment this week?

    What are we….CHOPPED LIVER?!!

  2. pedro fernandez Says:

    John wasn’t here on Weds and I guess Peter couldn’t give a rat’s ass what any of us has to say.

  3. pedro fernandez Says:

    I hope BMW plans to hire some techs with tiny hands and skinny arms to be able to work on that M1 engine compartment, holy tiny crevices, Batman!

  4. HtG Says:

    WOW! I saw a new 5series in dark grey today. What a non-entity. Without its badge you’d never know what it was, as though diffidence(look it up H/S) were the same thing as classy understatement.

  5. Chuck Grenci Says:

    It looks like the ’1′ series has gone upscale so fast that it is almost redundant to the ’3′. (and they both aren’t inexpensive either) I call that no-”JOY”

  6. dcars Says:

    Ford has certainly made some major improvements. It wasn’t that long ago that their stock price was about four bucks a share and a lot of folks (including me) wondered if they would go under.

  7. Dale Leonard-Lakewood,Ohio Says:

    Being a loyal Ford owner I am glad to finally see them kicking butt over the Imports. It’s about time the US car industry is finally making quality vehicles.

    Note to Tony Gray: “You Said It” is run on Wednesday’s and John was out. Peter D does not do the segment.

  8. shan Says:

    After watching the Autoline Daily news of Volvo’s new pedestrian safety feature, I have a few concerns. What would happen if you attempted to cross a intersection and a deer suddenly stopped in front of you, but there’s traffic coming both ways and you can’t back up. Because the system will take over at some point and stop the car from hitting the object in front of you. Your left with no choice but you run over whatever is ahead to save yourself. :)

  9. Jon M Says:

    Automakers desire customer loyalty for the same obvious reason every other business does: It keeps a steady stream of revenue and helps attract new customers. One thing that drives a lack of loyalty–not disloyalty–is a love of cars. I love a particular make, but I haven’t been so loyal because other automakers produce vehicles I want to spend time enjoying. But if they keep up the competition to try and make me loyal, then they’ll keep making cars I just have to have, regardless of the badge on the grille (to a point of course), thus keeping my loyalty at bay!

  10. Gokulraj Says:

    u need to update the videos that u show abt the Chinese car market and Indian Car market

  11. pedro fernandez Says:

    #8 that scenario would most likely be caused by a potential carjacker not a deer, but the results would be even more catastrophic. Cars are like women, you tire of them after awhile, my suggestion is to rent a new model (car) you like and use it for a weekend trip and get that out of your system.

  12. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Brand loyalty is a two way street.I have bought 3 brand new jeeps since 2001.My last one I bought just two years ago,and it will be my last.JK’s are expensive,and are junk.Way too many things the factory did the “cheap” route.Far more then I find exceptable for any reason.

    I will be going back home to Ford after the first of the year,and will more then likely stay with Ford.Sergio Macaroni can keep on teasing the world with “maybe” vehicles till the cows come home,to no avail for me.

    Ford has 4 new engine options for the F150 that is just light years ahead of all the competition imho,and they are all flex fuel capable,and have outstanding towing capabilities.

    Goodbye Chrysler products…….HELLO FORD!!

  13. pedro fernandez Says:

    GA, I guess you have given up on Mahindra? will you be getting a P/U like the F150?

  14. G.A.Branigan Says:

    I never really considered the mahindra’s as a serious possibility.The reviews I read from our friends down under took any thoughts I might have had about any mahindra truck.

    And yes Pedro,I’m going back to a F150 4×4 again.The quality form Ford has really impressed me,and the engineering is top shelf in my book.Light years ahead of any ram,or any gm pickup…..easy,hands down man.

  15. pedro fernandez Says:

    That’s a safe choice, GA no wonder it’s the #1 in sales consistently, but do you really need 4by4? is it the snow or the mud or just the xtra height you get?

  16. ckernzie Says:

    I would hope that Volvo’s pedestrian detection system has a defeat feature in case it malfunctions or you just don’t want the darn thing on. This & other safety features like ABS should be driver controlled. When I know that I’ll be driving on gravel or snow & ice (sometimes for months!), for safety reasons I don’t want my ABS engaged thank you very much! I’m not against the safety features & electronic nannies that are being introduced & legislated into our vehicles; however driver control over them must be maintained. Now if Volvo could rig up the camera to detect deer, elk and other potential road kill in the dark, then that would be a killer app ;-)

  17. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Pedro: Pedro,every truck I buy is a 4×4.I live in the mountains and prospect in the mountains too.For the last 25 plus years I have owned a 4×4 something.My kids live in different states,but they are in the mountains too.I’ve gone up (and down)old mining trails that have been all but washed out.Slow going but damn……it sure is fun and can be profitable too.Also,I do not lift any of my vehicles or run big ass tires either.Don’t really need too.Mostly kids jack up their vehicles,and mall crawlers do that too,just never use em for what they were built for.

  18. XA351GT Says:

    Funny thing is all I have owned with a few exception have been Ford products and I have always had minimal problems with them. I do however do routine maintainence when it is due. I often have to laugh at people who bitch their car is a piece of junk ,but will do nothing before something breaks. My father has a 1999 F150 that just had the original battery replaced yesterday. 10 years on a battery is pretty damn good. It has given him 10 years of trouble free ownership. You can’t just run the snot out of a vehicle and then wonder why it breaks down.

  19. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ XA351GT: maintenance is essential for long vehicle life.I’m big on full synthetics all around including diffs/trans/transfer case.Makes a big difference in longevity and mpg too.My Jk has been in for every update/tsb/recall for the past two years.Routine maint however does not cover faulty/cheap factory parts or outright piss poor design,which the JK suffers badly from.Either auto trans or the equally problematic 6 spd standard,abraded front brake lines are now being talked about by the factory (I’m talking about bone stock)to burning down the whole damn jeep from a auto trans vent tube/overheating problem they fixed by reflashing the dash readouts instead of installing a real trans cooler.BTW,if I install a real trans cooler guess what?It voids my warranty.ALSO,and your gonna love this one,we must now run in 4lo to prevent auto trans overheating,and if it still overheats…..we are told to turn on the a/c.Hello Ford…..I’m on my way…………

  20. GeelongVic Says:

    I agree about routine maintainence or better. I have a still close to perfect 1992 Lexus LS400 with over 150,000 miles that I prefer to my 2008 LS460L. The 1992 has always had better than factory recommended service and because of that better maintainence will probably outlive me. The LS400 has been the best car I have ever owned and still gives me driving pleasure daily.

  21. cwolf Says:

    It is very pleasing to read that others other than myself had past and ongoing good experiences with Ford products. Nothin fancy, but good for the price and reliable if taken care of. They still are a great buy, but even a better car/truck inside and out.
    HEY G.A.Branagan! Better stick to your Tata because the great Ford truck you want is made by the UAW, so are Chryslers. Given the apparent quality differences between them, you may think the problem, like many others,might be the fault of the company and not the workers. After reading your comments from yesterday, one may conclude you have the habit of talking out of both sides of your mouth or another orfice. Furthermore.. I and many tradesmen I work with can work the pants off you and your pals combined and still feel we had a relaxing day! At least H.Smoke isn’t 2-faced,but both are pompus!

  22. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @cwolf: LMMFAO…..your a funny guy.1st)I never said anything about wanting any hindumobile.2nd)I like Fords…pretty much always have.3rd)I find that shitty parts,cheap plastics etc ARE the fault of the company.The workers assemble what parts they are given.4th)Yeah,chryslers,fords,and gm’s are made by the uaw…so what?If you are a uaw member then you are part of the BIG problem.The uaw workers have been raping the big three for years whether or not you are man enough to admit it.

    Uaw workers are production line assemblers.YOU don’t design,you are not an accredited engineer,your a monkey doing repetitious jobs that require very little more then a 5th grade education.BUT…….your union officials will,and do tell you how damn great you are and you deserve outrageously high wages for doing what amounts to overpaid UNSKILLED labor.And you beer bellied “tradesman” suck it all in and wanna strike.
    I grew up in a uaw area.I knew many people who worked for gm actually,and every damn one of them talk about how they “got over”on the company that pays them so well because of dumbass clauses in the contract.I don’t much care for any unions,but the uaw I have a particular dislike for.I have seen them (ba’s) encourage workers to screw the pooch and told them how.
    I don’t know,or care how much you think you can work the pants off me,you don’t know shit pal except on where to go have a beer for lunch….loser.If you were so damn good at something,why on earth do you need a union?Not to worry though,soon you’ll be replaced by a robot.

    If you have read everything I have put on here since day one,you should know that I tell it as I see it from my own experiences,and I don’t believe I have ever said anything bad about Ford….gm is an entirely different story,same same chrysler.2 faced?Go have another beer union loser.

  23. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @cwolf:I forgot to ask you this,since you believe that I should buy a tata instead of a new F150 because I despise the uaw,does that mean that anyone in this country should NOT BUY AMERICAN because they don’t like the uaw either?

    Hmmm,I guess with your logic,that would put the big three out of business,and you and your ilk on unemployment? Is that what you want? Wow,you really are a union worker aren’t you…..LMAO.

  24. pedro fernandez Says:

    The UAW is not the workers, it is a mafia-style syndicate that a lot of workers don’t really want to belong to anyways, I am sure most of the assembly workers are decent, hard working people that just want job security and make a decent living.

  25. cwolf Says:

    @G.A.Branagan:I guess you never worked in the auto industry or for the UAW and can tell the opinions you have formed are all from the past. As I remarked before,”It ain’t what it used to be”;whether your a company or union monkey(as you refer). Your not totally wrong about some people being lazy,yet they are not exclusively UAW can they be? Many $15-18/hr folk operate many machines at one time,make adjustments to make good parts within micron tolerances,and become smart enough to assess the cause of a problem before it seriously effects part quality. This type of talent isn’t bad to be had for 15 bucks an hour,eh? They are pretty hard to find,too! And believe it or not,some of us monkeys have degrees in engineering,math,quality and many other areas.This must be really hard for you to fathom.
    Your remark about my need for a union if I was so good doesn’t make sense, like most of your comments. Large companys need a union of one type or another for the simple aspect of (in a nut shell)checks and balances. Yep.. I’m good too, because I like rebuilding and improving machines and product. Practice makes perfect! And those engr. classes became more meaningful after the third or fourth overhaul. So,Branagan,I’m not worried about being replaced by a robot because I am the monkey to repair them! I guess we’re all monkeys at one point in time….except you of course…your an ASS!
    Thanks for the beer offer ol’boy but not a big drinker. A nice wine from time to time, but as a symbol of my monitary stature, nothing less than $130/bottle will do…..so please!

  26. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    Well HtG, I havent heard anybody describe something to me as diffidence in a long time.

    However, China and American Minorities drive world taste now. Many things in the world right now, we’re talking about the new things were either conjured up by Chinese or had it’s roots in the American Inner city. Whether its a kid or a younger adult in Rural Africa, the Middle East, Mexico, Brazil, the US, Nunavut Territory in Canada, or a cosmopolitan Euro City, they are following these trends.

    The only tight asses who want everything to go by the old understated standards of class are pretty much Older White Americans and older Europeans. But those groups still control the world (barely), however there is a paradigm shift in both the US and the World coming. Considering this is a generation that spent most of their lives fighting change from China or the American Inner city, it’s not a shock why those of you would be in chagrin of the coming inevitable.

    Relax, you guys act like you’re going to become slaves or something. These groups just want to make money and leave things be.

    Both New burgeoning elite Groups hate diffidence, while the old elite hates confidence.

  27. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    Hyundai is right behind Ford and Honda on that list for loyality. Almost Every Hyundai owner I know, including myself is on their 2nd or 3rd one.

    I dont see any surprises on that list, even KIA who had the highest percentage gain. KIA went from basement below average in Loyality to 7th place among brands int he above average category.

  28. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    People know what Ford and Honda are about, while many people still dont know enough about a Hyundai or a KIA to even try one.

    By the way Pedro, road bumps in that Elantra I tested felt almost non-existent.

  29. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @cwolf:Yes,my opinons,or rather impressions of uaw workers is about 30 years ago.Maybe they (you guys) have improved your work ethics,but not the leadership you guys vote in.I guess you only read what you want to.I never seen you comment on a report about King wanting more of this and that,or some of the other dumb shit that he’s done or said being reported right here on autoline daily.

    BTW,if you insist on calling me by my last name (I have no problem with that) at the very least you could spell it right.I am happy for you that you can repair the robots.You still haven’t addressed your comment to me about not wanting me to buy a ford because it’s made by the uaw.
    $130.00 for a bottle of wine?Which means what exactly?Is that supposed to impress me? Since I don’t drink at all I guess it shows just how overpaid you are……for a monkey.
    As far as my remark referring to “lazy” uaw workers,no.Not all lazy people are in the uaw,but the ones I knew from the uaw sure as hell were.
    I’m retired,but I have worked for companies that had no unions at all.Didn’t need them.We worked hard,were well paid and had benefits in keeping with the times (back then).Employees that didn’t produce were let go,simple as that.Employees that did their jobs and did them well were rewarded.Nothing big or anything but small extras here and there,and it was a good way to keep motivated people.
    The unions were a damn good idea back when they first started,but like everything else,they grew too greedy and demanding and added a big financial burden to the companies that were unionized,and the uaw is right at the top of the list.
    Getting back to me buying a new F150 after the holidays.Would you feel better if I bought a toyota or another foreign brand?I have been buying new vehicles for myself since I was 16 years old,I’m pushing 60 now.When I started needing pickups,I always bought american.In fact I have never owned a foreign built truck.Never wanted one.
    lastly,I despise unions especially the uaw as I’ve said before.Until I see for myself that they are no longer trying to strangle the very hand that feeds you guys I will continue to voice my opinions as I see fit.
    Although no one else here seems to have the berries to say it,I do and will continue to badmouth a useless parasite such as the uaw is.I don’t give a rats ass what you or anybody else thinks,each are entitled to their views and I express mine.Enjoy the bottle of grape.

  30. cwolf Says:

    @G.A.Branigan: Buy any truck that keeps an American working; Ford is my choice.
    What I found tough to believe was your choice of truck you knowingly know to be made by folks you severely despise(UAW). It’s like an oxymoron!Now do you understand?
    I agree with you. The UAW is a Golliath;And so are automakers.We members have about as much say in national or, now, global affairs as a stockholder with a single share. Both do and say off the wall things if they think it will gain a minute advantage over the other. Like in nature, the bird with the biggest ploom wins or appears larger or meaner. Sucks! But things are changing for the better in every aspect. U.S. cars wouldn’t be improving if everyone wasn’t starting to become more team oriented towards making quality improvements in our product. I didn’t join the UAW, but hired into it. The average Joe/Jane is as devoted,hard working and prideful as you and me. Sure there are slackers,but I bet we have never seen a place void of at least one! All I can do is to try to be a positive example to others and to make work fun when working with others.I really do work, not hard,but dilligently. I love challenges and get a “rush” each time a large task is completed successfully. Honestly,I still find it hard to believe I get paid to have fun!
    My wine comment was from the wise-ass side of me. The wine my wife and I buy comes in a jug and from kroger or meijers. We pretend it tastes like $130 stuff.
    You can do all the ball bustin you want but let’s try to burry the hatchet between us before it gets over the top. Say what you want about unions,but the aren’t anything like you heard of them years ago. The UAW just isn’t the FORCE they once were; thats why they are trying to gain membership in other areas in manufacture. But do realize its people, on the whole, are good, hard working, honest folks that you wouldn’t mind sitting at the kitchen table with. Until you meet one of them for yourself or see it in the quality in your new F150, try to show some restraint. Other than that… go get’em TIGER!

  31. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    During the Holiday Season you open up a Cadillac, not a Benz (anymore).

    You get the same reaction with a Benz as you would with a Hyundai now. Benz for-this is a Mercedes Benz, and Hyundai for-this is a smizzoking hot car!!!

  32. mike g Says:

    G.A.Branigan and cwolf are both right and both wrong — don’t mean to offend either of you. I work in the auto industry and deal with UAW workers all the time. I, myself am not in the UAW and absolutely don’t want to be!!! As an organization, the UAW is a HUGE detriment to the industry, in my opinion. They never get enough of anything and the organization and it’s leadership are the real problem. They build walls between labor and non labor and always portray labor as the victim. The more money they can exhort from F/G/C, in the name of the average worker, the more money they can take from the average worker in the name of union dues. When you peel back the onion and talk and work with the individual workers, you realize they are just like you and me. They go to work every day, do the best job they can, have families and house / car payments. Many of the skill trades workers are as smart as any engineer out there. That said, there are many slugs that don’t know jack. I said it before … this is not unique to the auto industry or to the UAW. The average worker doesn’t need the UAW but the UAW absolutely does need the average worker. I hope the average worker realizes this one day and does something about this master and slave relationship!

  33. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ cwolf:Because I despise the uaw and the bullying they do to always grab more it’s no reason not to buy a Ford/gm/Chrysler IF you want American.What choice do we as Americans who want to continue buying American have? 03 FX4,05 FX4,for the wife,09 Focus SEL.After the first of the year I will buy a new F150.In regards to the uaw vs me buying American,one thing has nothing to do with the other.If Ford dropped the union,I will still buy a Ford.

    @ Mike G: You are right and I apologize to cwolf and everyone else here that we subjected to our differences.Shows the passion we all share for our vehicles irregardless of make or brand,union or non union.Now…..how about some ev/hybrid bashing…. ;}>

    Ask me how many problems we’ve had with the Focus vs the JK.Answer:ZERO problems/conplaints with the little Ford,MASS QUANTITIES of problems with the JK.I listed a few of them a couple of posts north of here.Those problems as I stated were NOT caused by the uaw.They are a direct result of piss poor quality of parts AND one to many bean counters trying to save a buck.CWOLF,there just isn’t any excuses for that at all man.And again I say it was the company,not the workers fault.

  34. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    Sweet: GM CEO calls Toyota Prius ‘geek-mobile,’ wants to pay execs more


    GM, it’s time to be Number #1 again, but do it slowly with: quality controls, good service, hot popping designs.

    I wonder if GM pushing Chevy “upmarket” would leave an opening for them to bring in dirt cheap Chinese cars under a different brand name to further expand volume? They could sell them as their volume getter cars globally.

    $7500 Subcompacts
    $9500 Conpacts
    $11000 Geo Tracker Sized CUVs
    $12500 Midsized Sedans
    $13500 Sports Coupes

    Like Daewoo, but much cheaper for the time, and backed up with a big time warranty-to boost quality of course.

  35. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    If Buick were to one day die Chevy could become the new “Attainable Premium Brand.” Or, you can grow Roewe under SAIC, and that could grow to be the global Buick replacement brand.

    You cna also have:

    MG by GM.

    MGs should be Supercars. Have Roewe as your

    Then you could VW-ize Chevy and turn it into a near preamium sports brand that fights with the global best.

    I understand that GM plans to have every car from GM and it’s partners sold everywhere anywhere globally by the late 2010s.

  36. cwolf Says:

    I,too,apologize and believe our voiced passions do overcome us. On a positive note, it is our voiced differences that have the potential to create change where it is needed.
    I realize the job I do at my plant is just a small piece of the whole and can only make assumptions about the operations elsewhere. Simularities do not constitute realities,..and are often quit different once understood;just like first impressions towards others. My first impressions of you,Mr Branigan,is a good example.If we were to meet, I’m sure what we have in common would out weigh any differences.
    On a more informative note: Another bearing co. is interested in some bearings we make. Next week, VW will also tour. On one hand, it appears the demand may finally be on the up swing. On the other,I have learned that outsourcing abroad comes with its oun set of problems. From what has been said, metal in the foreign bearing is of poor quality,lasting only about 30k miles under high speed endurance testing. Our GM bearings,I believe,exceed 100k symulated miles under an array of stessed conditions. The drawback is about a$3/unit cost.
    The two tier agreement probably helped narrow the gap,but see the greatest cost cutting savings can be had in the area of waste reduction of product, but moreso in the area of wasted cooling/cutting fluids. An attempt to reduce these issues has been included in my overhauls. It’s to early so see any measure of success. I thought some of you would be interested in these small bits of info to what others are experiencing in the auto world.
    @G.A.Branigan: Once you buy your new ford,let give a report. I know you want the larger engine, but compare to one of the new 6 bangers as a comparo. Curious how in line you are with the writters views.

  37. mike g Says:

    @ G.A.Branigan: I have a question for you. If you don’t mind, please shoot me an email at (temporary account) mikegregory68@yahoo.com. Thanks.

  38. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Cwolf: I will test drive both V6′s,but right now with the 3.8L lump under the hood of my jk I just ain’t excited about another 6.I read and watched everything I could find on the eco-boost monster and I will say it’s most impressive.What I really worry about is long term reliability.I know Ford did the “torture test” and again I’m very impressed,but still Leary.They do have (as standard) a 5yr/60k mile powertrain warranty.I would want to see in writing that the turbos are covered as well as the injection system etc.The repair bills would be killer otherwise.And lastly,with all the testing done on all new engines,it seems that someone somewhere will find a “chink” in the armor so to say.I really don’t want to be that person ;}>

  39. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Hey Mike G,email sent.

  40. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    Americans and Chinese are Fu-ktards. They are willing forgo green cars for guzzle crap.

    I think there is a plan by the Biofuel and Big oil advocates to spread nothing but crap about rare Earths to scare peope away from Hybrids and EVs.

    I know people in the media get paid to say things, but remember this: Is advocating for something you know is not right so you can make that car note/mortgage this month good for your grandchildren’s future?

    In 20 years or so Earth will have 9 Billion people. A world full of dried up crops, water shortages, etc…

    People dont think and listen to those who want to use food to run cars. You’re only dooming yourselves to the threat of global famine, but hey you can’t tel the stubborn anything these days.

    The HEALTHIEST way to use bio and non bio mass for cars=GARBAGE.

    Strange how many population control advocates support Bio Mass fuels too.

    Let’s be real, there’s not enough fruit and vegetable peels, in the world for such an infrastructure.

    That’s why I maintain that Bio Mass fuels= pipedream.






  41. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    You told the people what they wanted for years.




    I dont believe these car companies when they say they are working hard to get Eco tech out, make better designs, etc…. I think they are flat out lying.

    The Koreans have been the most truthful, and even they get caught in lies sometimes.

    If you guys arent lying, then you TOTALLY BLEW IT.



  42. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    Maybe there should be a War on cars.


    We’re not talking radical changes, either. They bitch and moan if you ask them to do something THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE 25 YEARS AGO!!

    Much less something that’s really radical.

  43. Tony Gray Says:

    Well, I suppose there will be some You Said It stuff in THIS thread, eh??

  44. XA351GT Says:

    Hey guys,
    Reading the exchange between GA and c.Wolf I can only offer this about my experience with unions. I work for a company that builds equipment for passenger trains( A/C systems , air brake systems , Door operating systems ,etc.) We are a non union shop ,we are decently paid by today’s standards ( not getting rich by any means) . One of our biggest customers is SEPTA ( South Eastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority) They are Union. They have some of if not the highest riders fees in the country. These guys are some of the laziest workers I have ever witnessed. I had to make a service call to one of their shops. I had to use a vice so I went to their tool room. There I found 3 guys playing cards ,2 watching a TV and one fast a sleep at 9:30 in the morning ( oh and it wasn’t break time) Kind of aggravating to see these guys making over $20@hr ( in 1986) sitting on their asses collecting huge money while I’m busting by butt for at that time not even 1/2 that. Then hear them bitch about our quality when it was THEIR lack of maintainance that caused all the problems in the 1st place. I learned real quick that unions promote lack luster work ethics .They don’t want their members to be real good or quick because it detracts from their ability to demand more from the company. It is ridiculous to watch this behavior.

  45. cwolf Says:

    @XA351GT: I agree with your observatios. This is one issue that needs to be corrected which would be good for everyone. For those of us doing our part, it is frustrating to have to pick up the slack of others.At my place,the majority give a good 8hrs.My personal beef occures after many detailed hours/days are spent getting a mach. operating like a swiss watch,then within two weeks various service calls have been performed less than par. I think reasons are lack of pride and attitude,but often it’s linked to lack of training. Training is another area that is the fault of the company. Getting rid of the dead wood seems to be ignored by both union and company for different reasons that should be clear to everyone,yet one should understand that only the company can fire someone. Many co-workers have tried endlessly to get support from our bosses but given nothing but a song and dance. Our only option is to continue doing our part a little better each day and prey someone will take notice some day!
    Sir, there will always be problems like these within/without unions. Good communications and a more active roll between both partys may be a good beginning. I just know making changes isn’t an easy or quick to resolve task.

  46. pedro fernandez Says:

    Regarding comments #43 and 44 above, It reminds me of government workers and the way they goof off and don’t pull their weight specially when they achieve seniority. This does not happen in transplant factories, the management will not have it.

  47. XA351GT Says:

    I think you will find that most non union shops won’t or can’t tolerate it. I’ve been at my job 29 years and if I don’t pull my weight they wouldn’t hesitate to kick me to the curb and rightly so. Companies today have to maximize their productivity or it could lose the entire business. We shut down a factory in Illinois for just those reasons.

  48. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    XA351GT, yeah as a Jersey Native who regularly saw Septa Buses I can attest that Septa ran GM RTS buses, which were the successors of the iconic GM New Look bus.

    If anybody know about buses, the New Look and the RTS buses were the most reliable things that ever came out of Detroit. There were 10 million mies or more products.

    My point, quality was good in terms of the product.

  49. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    -these were 10 million mies or more products.

  50. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    I still think it was a very dumb move for GM to get out of the bus business.

    GM doesnt know how and will never understand how to make cars the way I like em, but they sure knew how to build a good bus-the best public transit buses ever in fact.

    I think Hyundai/KIA buses are picking up that slack now though. If only HKAG sold their buses in the US. The US public transit system now uses the most goofiest, stupid looking, and on top of that UBER unreliable buses ever.

    Id rather walk than ride one of those things that American cities use now.

    This is about tax dollars here.

  51. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    Many of the coach buses look ridiculous too.

    They call themselves being futuristic, but Greyhound’s and almost all new coach class American/Canadian buses just look fu-ktarded. I rode a Greyhound bus recently-yeah Il steal to keep my car if I had to.

    It’s ridiculous.

  52. Bob Says:

    The M1 looks way overpriced at 51,000 EUROS (NOT $!!!)

    It does look better than the Bangle-d 3 series, but it is almost as heavy and it really stretches it to call it an M while the non-M 335 has almost as high HP, much more room and probably more luxury (but a far cry from the 7 or even the 5 in luxury).

    I agree that it has become too damned hard to distinguish a 3, a 5 and a 7 from each other. I mistook a new 5 for a 3 recently, partly because there are easily more 3s than even HONDAS around here, and probably than toyotas either!

    Still, the 520td wagon was voted best family car by Top Gear.

  53. Derek V. Says:

    I can see it now, a “Unintended Deceleration” lawsuit just waiting to happen. Come on, you know its going to happen. Just picture it, rounding a corner, on a slick road, and suddenly the car starts to break without touching the brake or gas and you under-steer into a wall.
    We Americans love to sue, watch out Volvo, you’re the next victim of the case of “I need someone to blame for my lack of driving skills”.

  54. Monex Says:

    The Collision Warning with Auto Brake system helps the driver see people. It uses radar with a wide angel search area to detect objects in front of and around the car.