Episode 691 – Can OEMs Hit CAFE Target?, Fiat-Chrysler Shake-up, Toyota Product Blitz

July 29th, 2011 at 12:15pm

Runtime: 6:38

To hit the proposed CAFE target of 54.5 MPG automakers would have to improve fuel economy at a rate the industry has never achieved in 100 years. Sergio Marchionne announced management changes at Fiat-Chrysler, but one industry expert says he still has too many direct reports. Toyota is readying a product blitz in the U.S. in which it will introduce 20 new models by 2013. All that and more, plus a preview of this week’s Autoline about which new cars and trucks that have come out this year have a shot at winning the North American Car and Truck of the Year award.


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This is Autoline Daily for Friday, July 29, 2011. And here’s the latest of what’s happening in the automotive industry.

Is the new CAFE standard really achievable? Historical data would suggest that it is not. To hit the Obama Administration’s target of 54.5 miles per gallon automakers would have to improve fuel economy at a rate of 5 percent per year for cars and 3.5 percent for trucks. But Bloomberg reports that over the last 100 years the industry has never hit that rate. Even with all the hybrids that have hit the market since 2007, the rate of improvement was 2 percent per year. On last night’s Autoline After Hours, Jay Baron, the chairman of the Center for Automotive Research, noted that there’s one ray of hope for automakers. We also had Mark Perry, the director of product planning for Nissan in the U.S. Both he and Baron agree that the CAFE standard is likely to be reduced after that mid-term review.

THEY ALL REPORT TO SERGIO (subscription required)
Sergio Marchionne announced the expected management change at Fiat-Chrysler yesterday, but Ward’s cites an industry expert who says Marchionne still has too many direct reports. There will be 21 executives reporting directly to Marchionne, four fewer than before. But Gerald Myers, a professor at the University of Michigan, and the former chairman and CEO of American Motors says that’s still way too many. He says the maximum number of direct reports any CEO should have is eight to 10, and even that is a lot. Ward’s says Marchionne is risking burning himself out.

TOYOTA’S PRODUCT BARRAGE (subscription required)
A while back we reported that Nissan is launching a product assault, with a new or redesigned vehicle coming out ever six weeks for the next six years on a global basis. But it’s not just Nissan. Toyota is readying a product blitz the likes of which the company has never seen before. It’s coming out with 20 new models by 2013 just in the U.S. market. And before the year is out the Big T will launch a new Camry, a refreshed Tacoma pickup, the Prius v station wagon, the Prius plug-in and the Scion iQ.

The head of Bosch’s operations in North and South America, Peter Marks, announced he is leaving the company. Marks, who was recently a guest of mine on Autoline, has been with Bosch for 34 years. He is not being pushed out but is leaving for personal reasons. Marks is being replaced with Dr. Werner Struth, who has been the president of Bosch’s Chassis Systems Control division since 2005. The changes are effective at the end of the year.

Coming up next, when it comes to the North American Car of the Year, the critics are speaking out about the new Honda Civic. And what they’re saying ain’t pretty. That’s coming right up.

This week on Autoline we’re looking at the new cars and trucks that have come out so far this year, all with an eye towards what might become the 2012 North American Car of The Year, joining me for that discussion are Eddie Alterman and Tony Swan from Car and Driver magazine, who, like me, are on the jury for the North American Car of The Year. And they have some shocking things to say about the new Honda Civic.

By the way, you can see that entire show right now on our website at AutolineDetroit.tv, and it’s a good one.

And don’t forget to tune into RoundAbout tonight at 6:30 p.m. Eastern Time. Tonight’s guest is Jonathan Klinger, a guy who is driving a Ford Model A everyday for a year. Should be a good show, make sure you tune in.

But that brings us to the end of this show, thanks for watching, have a great weekend, and we’ll see you on Monday.

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58 Comments to “Episode 691 – Can OEMs Hit CAFE Target?, Fiat-Chrysler Shake-up, Toyota Product Blitz”

  1. tj Martin Says:


    I placed this up earlier in the day , and with Johns report on the Chrysler/Marchionne relationships I’ll post it again .

    This one’s destined to come to tears my friends , as nothing good of late has come from Marchionne’s draconian style of management . Just inquire over Italy way with their employees and Unions as well as their suppliers etc .

  2. HtG Says:

    Bored? Got shares in Ford? Here’s The Big Interview with Alan Mulally on WSJ


  3. John Says:

    @ everyone

    Re:Ken Langone , founder of Home Depot , on the debt ceiling, our leadership, and our economic future.

    “The Big Economic Picture”

    …he’s not acting presidential. he’s dividing us. to make us look at each other with skepticism, with suspicion. that’s the end of America as we know it when that happens. …


    Just how many customers will be able to afford a 54.5 mpg vehicle ?

  4. dcars Says:

    It makes you wonder if Toyota has taken to heart the complaints that have been leveled against them. That they grew to fast and lost sight of what made them a favorite of US consumers, good reliable cars…. not whirl wind product blitzes.

  5. pedro fernandez Says:

    Seems to me that Hyundai/Kia has surprised even Honda and Toyota product planners with their new line-up and they’ve been caught with their pants down with stagnant products. They can only rely on their quality reputation for so long.

  6. dcars Says:

    After listening to last night’s “After Hours” I wonder if any one has done a study or report to assess the axing of Pontiac, Saturn, Hummer and medium duty trucks at GM. I think some data would be nice, what do the executives at GM think? It seams like Saturn and Hummer were a lost cause any ways, but should they have kept Pontiac? Will they restart Medium duty truck production? Will Holden survive with out a way to export cars to Pontiac? Does GM need another brand like Pontiac?
    In addition does Ford miss Mercury? (I don’t.)

  7. tj Martin Says:

    @ John

    Well…… for once we almost agree . Almost on the 54.5 mpg comment because in my opinion I’d add what manufacture can actually live up to those numbers by 2025 , never mind who could or couldn’t afford them.

    But I certainly hope from your comments and the included link you’re not implying the Obstructionist Tea Party as well as the stubborn and Jealous extreme Right could do any better , as well as having no responsibility in the current debacle . As one of their own so well stated on Charlie Rose , Obama at this point is somewhat to the Right of Richard Nixon on 99% of his policies . Automotive not included

    And a reminder John . It was Cousin GDub who got us into this mess that Obama has inherited and now the Extreme Right is trying to block every attempt to resolve as well as place all the blame on Obama . Facts is Facts .

    Oh and FYi did you see the newest statistics on the cost of CNG vs Coal Petroleum etc . A minimum of THREE times higher

    Ooops !

    @ HtG – Saw the Mulally interview on Charlie Rose . Can’t say . as much as I want to support FORD I walked away from the interview thinking much good about the very over paid Mulally or the future of FORD under his leadership .

    Watching M’s eyes and facial expressions reminded me of a bad actor in a TV commercial promoting some product he/she in reality hates , but is doing so for the paycheck only

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I don’t know what all of these new Toyotas are, but I’m sure some of them are overdue and needed. Will there be a new Matrix and Corolla? The current ones are decent cars, but they are showing their age. The same applies to Tacoma. I just hope they resist the usual temptation of making it bigger. A smaller “compact” pickup is what is needed.

    I like the idea of the Prius variants, especially the wagon and the upcoming smaller car. I’m “wait and see” on the plug-in Prius. Any interest I might have would depend on price, and the gas mileage you get if you never plug it in. If it doesn’t at least match the gas-only mpg of a regular Prius, I don’t much see the point of the 10-15 mile electric-only range.

  9. tj Martin Says:

    @ pedro – #5 – But long term , lousy quality will bite you on the posterior as well as have much longer term consequences .

    Toyota/Honda could get out of their slumber in a single model year , whereas once all those quality issues start coming back on H/K ( and in fact they already are ) they’ll be looking at decades of damage management

    Oh and did you read about all of H/K’s problems with their Unions and Employees ? Seems H/K is anything but a Happy Place to work at

  10. Lex Says:

    Did anyone see Alan Mulally on Charlie Rose this week? Alan seems like a great guy, but how much longer is he going to be hanging around as Ford’s CEO?

    Honda products does not have the same appeal they once had. Yes, they are reliable but the styling has alot to be desired. The Pilot is a Boxy Truck. The Ridgeline is a pickup want-a-be.
    The Element is so boxy delivery wagon. The CR-V needs a face lift. The Accord Crosstour needs to mate with the CR-V or Element to give so a new CUV from Honda. The Prior Editions of the Odyssey, Accord and Civic were far better. Finally the FIT needs a stronger engine and sleeker side view mirrors located at the bottom of the “A” pillar.

    Is Marchionne / Chrysler going to keep builting minivans for VW? Will the VW version of the Chrysler Minvan soon be geting Stow-n-go seating?


  11. pedro fernandez Says:

    Kit: Corolla is not due for a redesign for 3 or 4 more years, but being that it is still the number 1 seller in its class, Toyota is not going to put a lot into it and raise the price, ditto for the Camry, even though it has lost some sales to the competition, it is still the top seller, despite the fact that it’s already getting long on the tooth, so Toyota should instead concentrate on maintaining their legendary quality, after all most people who buy them, do so for the reliability/durability, not for its handling or performance.

  12. pedro fernandez Says:

    Tj I have met many folks who own 5/6 yr old and older Hyundai models who still swear by them, and they’re still running well, also 3rd world countries with bad roads and poor service have a lot of those Hyundai vehicles running around. Not as good as Toyota/Honda but better than many other brands.

  13. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Once again the auto industry ignores a significant segment of AMERICAN auto purchases,the venerable 1/2 ton pickup.Improve that in the dept of mpg dept,you’ll increase your fleet mpg’s,and show some forward thinking.Make said effcient engines available in even the downscale models,you’ll rule the world….morons.

  14. pedro fernandez Says:

    GA is right, even Ford will not bring their world-wide Ranger over here, a Ranger with a choice of 4, V6, diesel or even the ecoboost 4 engine would do very well

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The only H/K owners I’ve known who had problems had a very early Excell, and a Sodona minivan. I know people with other, mostly newer H/K products, and they have been reliable.

    As far as Honda, the new, underwhelming products like the 2012 Civic are what is troubling. Element is going away soon. Pilot, while a boxy truck, is a good, functional vehicle for a lot of people. While “truck people” won’t admit it, Ridgeline is the best pickup on the market, functionally, for most people who buy picku


  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I haven’t driven an automatic Fit, but a manual Fit drives nicely, except for the too-short top gear for the highway. The Fit engine has almost exactly the same specs as the engine in my MINI Cooper, except Honda gets their 120hp out of 1.6 liters without recommending premium gas.

  17. pedro fernandez Says:

    The weakest segment for Honda is the Accord, it went from segment leader to an also-ran, they made it too big and sloppy in my opinion to keep up with the rest, perhaps bringing the smaller EU version would have been a wiser choice. But you never know look at how poorly the Kizachi is doing and by all accounts it’s a nice diving car.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I like the EU version of the Accord wagon which they sell as an Acura, but I’d like it better if they’d sell it as a Honda, at Honda prices. also, an automatic transmission is mandatory in the wagon.

  19. HtG Says:

    It’s the second time this week Honda has emailed me, asking to trade or buy my Civic. One thing getting in their way, is that no matter how the car bores me, they haven’t got anything to offer in the showroom. Maybe I’m not a Honda person anymore.(21 year Honda owner)

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    What year is your Civic?

  21. HtG Says:

    2002,dx coupe, 5sp

  22. tj Martin Says:

    @ Lex

    Did anyone see the Charlie Rose interview w/Mulally ? Why yes I did …. comments on post #7 addressed to HtG

    Chrysler building MiniVans for VW ? Well both FORD and Chrysler have been building MiniVans for VW with only the Chrysler based model showing up on our shores .

    But ….In light of the competition / war going on between Marchionne and Winterkorn ( the Emperor and the Kaiser both battling it out for would wide supremacy ) I’ll place bets the Chrysler version of the VW MiniVans will be going the way of the DoDo w/ the FORD based model finally reaching our shores .

  23. tj Martin Says:

    @ HtG

    2002 ! Your Civic is barely even broken in , so why the heck would you trade it in ?

    @ pedro – Everyone I know that has a 2 year old or older Hyundai /KIA does nothing but complain about the reliability , squeeks and rattles , bits falling off , paint wearing thin in spite of never having been hit or misused , interior bits disintegrating etc .

    Fact is the wifes old 92 Vibrolla was in better shape than 90% of the 5 year old H/K’s I’ve run into .

  24. tj Martin Says:

    @ Kit Gerhart

    When I was in shopping mode I think I mentioned I’d had a look see and a test drive of the Acura/Honda wagon . Everything about it excepting the price screamed Honda . Which was why I never seriously considered it . A Honda for Acura prices I would not buy . Had it been a Honda for Honda prices I’d of taken the idea more seriously . Hmmn in spite of KC being such an Acura/Honda town I’ve not seen a single one on the road come to think of it . Hmmn

  25. dcars Says:

    I think the problem with the Kizachi is it’s a Suzuki. Just to many bad cars in it’s past to take a chance on a new one. The current accord is just to big.

  26. HtG Says:

    @23 Have you driven a Civic in the burbs, tj? A very competent, efficient, reliable car. Very rational. But without any emotion.

    As for the rest of your post @23, you’re in trouble, but you haven’t realized it yet

  27. tj Martin Says:

    @ HtG

    I had an 88 Civic back in the F word days as a daily/snow driver and loved the little beast . The only problem being its seats definitely did not accommodate a 6’4″ frame very well .

    But as far as the car was concerned it was a winner . Kind of fun in a dull sort of way as well .

    And why exactly am I in trouble this time pray tell ? The H/K police gonna raid my inbox or something ? :o

  28. tj Martin Says:

    @ HtG

    re; My old 88 Civic . Come to think of it I sold it to one of my students back then to take to collage and he recently gave it to his kid , so the little beast , just like the wife’s old 92 Corolla is still running strong , providing reliable and enjoyable transportation to yet another generation of drivers .

    Lets see any H/K match that claim !

  29. HtG Says:

    To me the new Civic coupe looks pretty good in and out. But my own has just held up so well, it’s too hard to switch. And there are days I’m not going to drive the Miata. So I hang on the Civic.

    As to you impending doom, let’s hope I’m wrong, and leave it at that.

  30. Phoenix Mark Says:

    Every manufacturer one is going to have big problems with meeting the CAFE goal of 5% year over year increase in fuel economy. Since every model is only redesigned every 4 or 5 years that would mean each new model would have to get 22% to 28% increase over the previous one. I say very hard indeed.

  31. Phoenix Mark Says:

    Every manufacturer is going to have big problems with meeting the CAFE goal of 5% year over year increase in fuel economy. Since every model is only redesigned every 4 or 5 years that would mean each new model would have to get 22% to 28% increase over the previous one. I say very hard indeed.

  32. tj Martin Says:

    @ Phoenix Mark

    Agreed ! Both times :0

  33. pedro fernandez Says:

    Tj go over at TTAC and check out the upcoming MB B class’s great interior, tell us what you think.

  34. Chuck Grenci Says:

    While I certainly don’t disagree that meeting the new 54.2 mpg will be next to impossible in the timeframe proposed, as mentioned on last nights AAH, there is a midcycle re-evaluation planned; that will more than likely have the target lowered (and without knowing the loopholes and other caveats in the bill, who really knows what credits will negate the actual top number being proposed).

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    To meet that 54.2, cars will need to shrink a lot, and the large ones will need to be hybrid diesels.

  36. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Excuse my typo, I meant 54.5 (as I’m sure Kit meant too).

  37. cwolf Says:

    Good Morning All!
    Sometimes you have to take these reports with a “grain of salt.” Writers always select the winning car by criteria like how fast it can take a curve or neck-snapping acceleration and sleekest of styles. But as I mensioned before, this is mostly just wasted potential for most town and avg. drivers. This is why the Civic and Corrola rack-up the numbers on the road. Comfortable,storage,reliability and good mpg’s; Rather impressive qualifications for these yawn styled rides filling the roads,I’d say! The younger ladies sure like the Civic don’t they?

    I re-discovered a few things I re-dislike about my car that exist for the sake of better mileage. Because I could’nt get the dealer to change my oil,had to do it myself. But since the car sits lower, can’t use ramps no more! Used plan B. Then, there is the plastic shild under the engine to deal with and removable covers;Right! Hell, 20% of the waste oil missed the cover holes! Fine!,rinse the shield when done,but where? Not on my paved drive! Used plan “B”,again. Guess they don’t want us to do anything anymore,except check tires!
    Also CAFE related are low profile/low roll resisting tire; They suck,too! From what I have seen, they don’t last as long,noisy(esp after putting that magic number of 18K miles on’em), and cost wayyyyy tooo much. All this BS for what gains?
    Thanks guys for letting me bend your ear. I feel better now!

  38. Kit Gerhart Says:

    John and the C and D guys really talked up the new Focus, but if the automatic transmission is quirky and unpleasant to drive, they are going to have a problem in the US market. If I were in the market for a car, I could spec out a Focus hatch I would like, but I am one of the less than 5% of Americans who buys manual transmissions.

  39. Kit Gerhart Says:

    re #37
    Low profile tires are more for “style,” and, to a point, handling, than for low rolling resistance. A Prius, which would go all out for low rolling resistance has about the tallest profile tires of cars now sold.

    From my experience, the biggest compromise with low rolling resistance tires is performance. While not terrible, the LRR tires don’t corner or brake as well as some other tires. As far as tread life, time will tell how they actually do, but I think the tires on my Prius have a fairly high 400+ tread life rating.

  40. Kit Gerhart Says:

    also, re #37
    I bet a lot of those plastic covers under oil pans get “lost” over the life of the cars. On a normal car, they would buy you very little in drag reduction, and will always be a pain when changing oil.

    I suppose some of these covers, in addition to reducing drag, are intended to prevent water, road salt, etc. from being splashed certain places.

  41. cwolf Says:

    Kit, I agree with John and others that the new Focus is a very nice car. You should try one and see for yourself. The first things I notice was just how nimble and responsive it was and how the large side bolsters snuggled me. Experiencing the reported transmission “clunk” was the reason for the test drive,but at the end, I walked away wondering what they were talking about or if I missed something. I could have done without some of the knobs,buttons and clutter this loaded version had,yet thought they could be learned to ignor over time. After last weeks test drive of the Cruze ECO and its manual trans,I,like you, rediscovered that this could be something I could live with and fun to boot! A manual should be offered in the Focus,too! That is as long as it had a gear for highway driving–like the ECO. Both Cruz and Focus are swell cars for there oun reasons and purposes.

  42. pedro fernandez Says:

    Those side bolster that snuggle you also make it unpleasant for heavy people and seeing that the great majority of Americans are close to if not obese, makes these “snuggly” seats impossible for them to use. The “auto” transmission is also much disliked by most who drive it. In stop and go driving (the reason most people buy automatic) it is particularly unpleasant. Kit when you replace the tires will you go with LRR or stick with regular tires.

  43. cwolf Says:

    The plastic cover under my car is fastened securely with the correct devises,but the plastic push type on my son’s mazda3 are the reson why the cover cracked and was trashed. Just a poor design on Mazdas part to cut costs. After tossing the center panel,the side pieces,that are integrated into the wheel well have now lost rigidity. I find this worrysome, to say the lease. Not a bad car though-so far!

  44. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I plan to drive a Focus and see what it’s like. I suspect I would like it, as long as the one I drove didn’t have the electronic distraction device option. It is quite possible that the things people complain about with the dual clutch gearbox wouldn’t bother me.

    It seems like the manual available in Focus may be a 5-speed, in which case top gear could be a little too “short” for highway driving.

  45. cwolf Says:

    pedro: fat people in small cars; what does one expect? A Cruze would be a better fit or a larger car or a diet. I’d like to talk to one of those focus owners with bad auto-trans experiences so I have a clue. Have’nt found one yet and I must have been paying more attension to the ladies in Civics that on my test drive!LOL

  46. Kit Gerhart Says:

    pedro, I’ll probably stay with LRR tires on the Prius, but will look for reviews of different ones to see if any may have better performance or steering feel than the Yokahamas that came on the car.

    With my MINI, I’ll look for quiet summer tires, but not LRR. I doubt if LRR tires would make much difference on the MINI. I may replace my MINI tires before they are worn out, just to get rid of the inherently noisy run-flats.

  47. pedro fernandez Says:

    Why are summer tires so damn expensive, I absolutely don’t need all season tires, but that is all you can find around here unless you go for high-performance, high price ones with low treadwear numbers. BTW I’m not talking about just obese people, even those with a big booties have a hard fit in these contour seats. Bench seats, anybody? Yokos have a good reputation for quality and ride comfort.

  48. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It seems like about the only summer tires sold are high performance, with low tread life. For that reason, I may end up not getting summer tires, even I will never drive my MINI in winter conditions. I’ll try to find moderate performance summer tires with decent tread life, but there may not be any. I guess the tire companies figure today’s “all season” tires are a good enough compromise for most people, even those of us who don’t drive in snow.

    Unless I read something convincing that anything else is better, I’ll probably stay with Yokos on the Prius, especially if the current ones stay quiet as they wear down.

  49. cwolf Says:

    I have made a lot of spelling errors–whew-ee!
    Never caught on to using a key board because I still prefer the good ol’pencil and paper method for most of my work. Fat stubby fingers,many with band-aids on them, don’t help.

    Did you ever read tire reviews on “tire rack?” They and CR together are helpful in making an initial choice.

  50. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Tire Rack reviews tend to be from the perspective of hard core autocross/track day people, rather than most of us who care about quietness, tread life, etc. Several years ago I bought some tires for a Lexus IS Sportcross based on Tire Rack reviews. They were Goodyear F1 somethingorother performance tires. They were very sticky and worked well for autocdrossing the one time I autocrossed the car. They were horribly noisy, though, even when new. I’m better with CR’s tire tests. Several years ago I bought some Falken tires for my old minivan based on a CR test, and they have been great. The tires are quiet, and the van drives better than it ever did with the OEM tires.

    Regarding typos, I probably make more than I used to, because I now post here mostly from my smart phone. I type better with a regular keyboard.

  51. HtG Says:

    greetings greasers. It’s an interesting conversation going on here this afternoon. I won’t take cwolf’s comments about the ladies liking their Civic personally, since I know it’s true. For anyone looking at the Focus, make sure to check out the trunk; it’s enormous. You could fit a piano in there, or half a dozen former business associates. And I’ll share my opinion of run flat tires if you all promise not to tell my insurance company. The grip on run flats is pretty poor, so it’s a lot easier to get your car up on the limit while braking or turning-sqweeeeeeeeel!!

    ps Saw my third Volt driving on the street today. It couldn’t quite scream look at me as loud as the new lime green(I want to write chartreusse) Gallardo that was headed to Philadelphia this morning.

  52. HtG Says:

    dernit, crxn. I wasn’t referring to run flat tires, but rather to all season ones. Sorry, too much sun and fun.

  53. pedro fernandez Says:

    Tirerack has only one summer (NOT high performance) tire for my car and it has only 320 wear which is pretty low for a brand name tire at that price, I find a number of about 600 A A a good compromise, I once got a set of NTW 80k tires and I was hydroplaning all over the place when they were still pretty new. BTW I have yet to see one single Volt out in the street yet. Perhaps this is not the best climate for EV’s.

  54. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I haven’t seen a Volt either, but I am not in a location where they are sold. I suspect most people who buy them figure on doing most of their driving in plug-in range, even though the car will work for road trips if you are so inclined.

  55. Kit Gerhart Says:

    As things are, unless you want some extra performance, I suspect you are better off looking at all season tires than summer tires, even though you are in south Florida. No one seems interested in offering moderate performance summer tires, at least in the US.

  56. motorman Says:

    The new CAFE standards are just a sop to Obamas green voters to get him thru the 2012 elections.

  57. tj Martin Says:

    @ pedro

    M-B B Class thoughts . Me thinks the good lady needs to wait to see one first hand before deciding she wants the C Class . So far the photo’s look pretty good .

    @ HtG – Impending Doom forecast . Well ……. no 1001 emails from the H/K police . No bumps or bruises . Nary a thing out of place . Guess that cloud went somewhere else

    @ Motorman = Finally !!! Someone else as cynical as I am about this whole CAFE business & Obama’s huge about face on Green etc issues . Phew … I’m not alone !

    ( HtG since you bought the book already you should know that until the Extreme Left was pushing on Obama ” Break Through ” was in his words the most accurate and well defined assessment of the Green Movement , Global Warming E/Vs’ etc written )

  58. tj Martin Says:

    So where the heck is todays ALD report ?

    Everyone go on vacation again and I missed the notice ?