Episode 1032 – Ford Buys Oldest Ford, Indy Going Electric, UAW Survives in Right-to-Work States

December 12th, 2012 at 11:43am

Runtime: 7:53

Bill Ford Jr. has purchased the oldest surviving Ford automobile. Find out what it is. Indianapolis will embrace natural gas and electric vehicles as it requires city vehicles to dump petroleum in coming years. Think right-to-work means the end of the UAW? Think again. All that and more, plus John McElroy responds to your questions and comments in this week’s edition of “You Said It!”

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Well we’re halfway through the week and there’s no shortage of new developments, so let’s get to them.

Bill Ford Jr., the chairman of the Ford Motor Company, just bought the oldest surviving example of a car made by the automaker. It’s a 1903 Model A. Bill Ford paid $264,000 for it at auction, something of a bargain because the last time it traded hands it went for $630,000. The 8-horsepower car originally retailed for $850. In today’s dollars that’s about $20,000.

Even though the UAW is fighting against the right-to-work law in Michigan, it already operates in five right-to-work states: Texas, Kansas, Louisiana, Tennessee and Indiana. Specifically the UAW represents 18,000 GM, Ford and Chrysler workers in seven manufacturing plants in those right-to-work states. Obviously those workers see a benefit to joining the union and paying their dues, even though they don’t legally have to do so. And this would suggest the union should not really have any problems with Michigan going right-to-work.

THEY’VE GOT A LOT OF OIL, TOO (subscription required)
Jaguar Land Rover is considering building an assembly plant in Saudi Arabia of all places. According to WardsAuto, a key reason is manufacturing aluminum components. Starting in 2014, the country will be home to the largest integrated aluminum production complex in the world. JLR announced it’s also going to build a factory in China and will expand its plant in India. Global sales for the company are up 32 percent so far this year, and it must think that it needs a lot more capacity.

And speaking of lightweight materials, BMW announced it will collaborate with Boeing on carbon fiber. The companies plan on sharing information about manufacturing carbon fiber, looking into automation opportunities, and researching carbon fiber recycling.

Things are not looking so bright at California-based electric car maker CODA. It has made a substantial number of layoffs, fifty to be exact, or about 15 percent of its workforce. The majority of the layoffs were in the sales and marketing departments. This does not come as a huge surprise because the company has not even sold 100 units of its $37,000 all-electric sedan that went on sale in March. This piggybacks on the fact that the vehicle received only two stars in a frontal crash test and there has already been a recall.

INDY GOING ELECTRIC (subscription required)
In an effort to use more alternative fuels, the city of Indianapolis has plans to phase out the use of gasoline and diesel in the city’s vehicle fleet by 2025. It will use a mix of electricity and natural gas in cars, heavy trucks and police cruisers in the years to come. City buses are exempt from the revamp because they are run by a separate entity.

Coming up next, it’s time for You Said It!

We sure got a lot of feedback on Ford’s 1.0-liter 3-cylinder engine. M360 says, “You gotta love Ford Motor Company and what they are doing. EcoBoost engines brought new meaning to turbocharging. Now they have a 3-cylinder engine. Who else does that?” Well, don’t forget that Fiat has a sub-1.0-liter, 2-cylinder engine. And a number of you commented on the engine’s rubber timing belt.

revampted wails, “What no timing chain on that 3-cylinder? I don’t like that fact of replacing the timing belt every 60k. it’s gonna be pain to fix.” And swinglow33 chimes in, “Replacing the belt in that Fiesta requires an appointment with an ASE certified mechanic. Ford knows how to bring in the customers, one way or another…” Our own on-staff, ASE-certified tech, Sean, agrees with you. He says with the timing belt going down into the oil pan there’s going to be some serious engine disassembly to get to that belt. But Ford says the belt will last for the life of the engine.

C-Tech had a comment about New York City cab drivers suing the city over forcing them to only use the Nissan NV200 van going forward. “Why does NYC need an ‘official’ cab anyway? Is there some kickback from Nissan for this dubious honor?” I don’t think there’s any kickback, I think New York wants some sort of consistency in its cab fleet and wants an iconic look just like London has with its cabs. But I think the taxi companies probably know what’s best for themselves, not city officials.

Will is intrigued with all the issues with EPA fuel economy labels. “I see that they’ve lowered the EPA highway ratings of the 2012 Sonata and Optima hybrids to 39 from 40. You should hold a viewer contest to predict what Ford will lower C-Max’s and Fusion Hybrid’s ratings to. I think that inferior aerodynamics of the taller C-Max will cause its highway number to be dropped more than Fusion’s. How about 41/42 C-Max and 41/43 Fusion Hybrid? And Parikshith from India wants to know, “Is it possible that the auto manufacturers are changing the Engine Mapping of the cars that are sent to the EPA? Has anyone taken a EPA car and put it on a DYNO?” I don’t think any automaker would take that risk Parikshith. The penalty for getting caught would be horrific. The problem is with the EPA test itself. Today’s hybrids can run in EV mode for most of the test and the result is much higher fuel economy than what you get in the real world. The EPA has often made adjustments to its test over the years as technology and driver behavior changed. It’s simply time for the EPA to make another adjustment.

Thanks for all your letters and comments. We can’t answer them all, but we do go through them all, so keep ‘em coming.

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57 Comments to “Episode 1032 – Ford Buys Oldest Ford, Indy Going Electric, UAW Survives in Right-to-Work States”

  1. Tony Gray Says:

    Yeah the belt will last the life of the engine because once it breaks…the engine dies!

  2. pedro fernandez Says:

    I was just gonna say the same, the belt should last as long as the engine, one of the reasons I bought a Corolla was because of the timing CHAIN and sure enough, 345k miles later, still there.

  3. JIm Gordon Says:

    I miss your Viewer Mail. I used to look forward to seeing the new postings each day. But, its not been updated with any regularity for the last two months or so. What’s up with that?

  4. ColoradoKid Says:

    One last on the Right to Work issue ;

    The decision has been made . As of March 23rd all ___ will be breaking loose according to the financial pundits nationwide . As well as the Michigan lawyers will be having themselves a heyday if the pundits are correct .

    Isn’t it quite convenient though for Michigan to have made their new RTW law appealable ONLY by the Legislation and not by Public Vote . Hmmm. Yeah thats real Democracy in action . Take the decision out of the hands of the people and keep it under lock and key with the Legislators .

    So much for American Democratic Principals when it comes to the State of Michigan .

  5. pedro fernandez Says:

    I wonder if Ford is gonna install a new My Ford Touch system in that Model A?

  6. ColoradoKid Says:

    ” Ford says the belt will last the life of the engine ”

    Thats a scary thought considering the expected lifespan of even the best of timing belts made .

    Can anyone say ” New motor in 60K miles ? “

  7. Dave Britton Says:

    Now if only the Dept of Labor will make it so only the union members get the rep from the unions. Now the non-union get to free load off of the ones that pay dues!

  8. pedro fernandez Says:

    I’m no mechanic, but if you pass the rubber belt through oil, doesn’t that make the belt weak and slippery, I know you have to do it to a timing chain, but a belt?

  9. HtG Says:


    So what happens to that timing belt when the owner/changer of the oils FAILS in their task of changing the oils? Is the belt oil kept separate from the others? It appears from what Sean says, that one oil does the job. Hoily Shamash!

    (everyone is enjoying my Hannukah themed post, no?)

  10. ColoradoKid Says:

    ALD – You might just want to have a discussion with the UAW workers in Kansas before jumping to any conclusions or making any assumptions . I’m not so sure any of them would share in your enthusiasm or optimism on the RTW issue .

  11. ColoradoKid Says:

    # 38 … Ye !

  12. pedro fernandez Says:

    I hope Ford doesn’t bring back the old ads: “Ford has a better idea” cause they really don’t. TTAC reports Honda is not gonna build anymore ILX with the 2.0 engine due to bad sales, perhaps they should discontinue the car altogether and instead offer an upscale Civic SI.

  13. ColoradoKid Says:

    Sorry …

    #8 … Ye !

    getting a bit ahead of myself numbers wise this morning . Another pot o’ coffee please kelner .

  14. Chuck Grenci Says:

    We don’t live in a ‘democracy’, we live in a ‘republic’; a republic governs through the mechanism of elected representation. Doesn’t always make it right, but, that is how our country is governed (as in the Pledge Alliance: “and to the Republic for which it stands”).

    And as far as an oiled belt goes; if the belt material is impervious to petroleum, and in-kind is lubricated by it, perhaps its life would be greatly enhanced.

  15. pedro fernandez Says:

    Why not use a chain to begin with? Noise? I don’t think so, I think it’s more like milking the customer for as much as possible, like the other day a BMW fanboy told me that he always get his oil change at the dealer cause BMW has a “special” oil made for their cars, people are so gullible.

  16. Brett Says:

    We live in a democratic republic. It has become more “democratic” over time. Once upon a time we didn’t vote for our Senators, our state legislatures did. There are numerous other examples as well.

    I find it wearisome to see these “we’re not a democracy, we’re a republic” posts as if we’re all supposed to say, “Oh, my, well never mind then!” It does not change the discussion one whit.

    I will give you considerable credit, however, Chuck, for not being dogmatic in your consideration of timing belts. Of course material engineering has progressed to a point where a timing belt can not only survive an oil bath, but bet sustained by it.

    There’s nothing exotic or improbably about a timing belt surviving the life of the engine *if* the designers were willing to shoulder the expense of that sort of item in the budget.

  17. HtG Says:

    13 Even in a republic where HSBC cannot be indicted, it’s still fine to have a direct referendum on any legislation, except in MiKochigan.

  18. Lex Says:

    @ #2 & #7

    Yes Pedro, The Corolla is nearly bullet proof that is why it has lasted so long.

    I agree about the rubber timing belt degrading over time after being continuously dripped into hot oil within the engine. I can foresee that a metal timing chain is in this engines future.

  19. Lex Says:

    I still want to see the Chevy Trax come to the USA. GM sells it in Canada and Mexico. Saying that Buick wants younger buyers is wishful thinking, and that Trax will take sales from Encore is a definite possibility. The Buick Encore is not the right vehicle for Buick. GM should bite the bullet and fold Buick into Cadillac and call it a day in the US Market. Buick can live in China just like Opel exists in Europe. If GM ever wants to retake global leadership again it needs to focus on quality, reliability and specially styling to increase sales volume.

    When is the next generation Chevy Equinox / GMC Terrain due?

  20. dcars Says:

    We elected our officials to vote on our behalf. It sounds like the Unions do not have the endorsement from the people of Michigan.

  21. ColoradoKid Says:

    @ Chuck Grenci

    My point being that the RTW law signed into effect yesterday by the State of Michigan has a built in claus Preventing the RTW issue from EVER coming up for a Public Vote …. Read the law as written . Its ugly ! Fact is I doubt any despot could of written that law any harsher than the State of Michigan did .

    As well as Brett is most correct in saying we live in a Democratic Republic ( actually if you want to be pedantic about it its a Democratically Elected Republic .. but thats splitting hairs )

    And ….. I did say ” democratic principals ” in my post so’s not to confuse the issue ;-)

    As to the Rubber and Oil issue all evidence at hand points to a rapid degradation of the rubber belt when continuously being subjected to Oil – Heat and Stress .

  22. pedro fernandez Says:

    I don’t think GM should close down Buick, they already killed Olds and Pontiac which were redundant brands, they’re fine the way they are and need to concentrate on making their products the best they can be with sound engineering and desirable products.

  23. ColoradoKid Says:

    #19 – No dcars … its more about a hard right Republican Legislation in Michigan hell bent : as is the overall party on the ultimate destruction of any and all Unions in the US .

    I won’t even go into the myth of elected officials acting on ‘ our ‘ behalf .. along with the Electoral College myth etc etc . Elected officials overall act on their perception of what is our behalf at best : and more often on their ‘ personal ‘ behalf at worst .

    FYI ; A reminder should the discussion carry on . I am a ‘ registered ‘ Republican . Don’t vote that way much since the Party was hijacked by the Gang of Four ( Rove , Cheney & Co ) the Tea Party and the Hard Right . But I’m registered … hoping against hope things will change . And yes ” Gang of Four ” is what we moderate Republicans call them .

  24. ColoradoKid Says:

    #21 – Close Buick ?????

    If they do that what in the heck will they sell in China seeing as how Buick is GM’s China market #1 brand ?

  25. T. Bejma Says:


    Only about 17% of all of Michigan workers are in the Union. Hardly anywhere near a majority. They are loud, I’ll give them that, but they are full of misinformation and right now, trying to save their collective behinds in Michigan.

    I some how managed to earn a decent living in the automotive industry with regular increases and a safe work environment without EVER being represented by the union.

  26. C-Tech Says:

    Can’t wait to see the “electric” police car chases in Indianapolis.

  27. T. Bejma Says:


    Lowering the Buyer age of Buick is not just wishful thinking, it is working…


    I like the Encore instead of the Trax. Importing it from Korea means that you need more content to make any money and we don’t need another cheap, tiny, SUV. Encore could fit in the back of the Enclave with the seats down so it is doubtful there will be any cross shopping. And without a Buick offering in the Equinox/Terrain category, it is definitely needed. Look how well the Verano is doing, even taking sales away from the Regal.

  28. C-Tech Says:

    As a technician, the failed timing belt is often caused by 1.) the loss of teeth causing the belt to slip – usually the cust. left the belt in too long, and 2.) the failure of the water pump or belt tensioner causing the belt to strip out teeth. Either way, it causes catastrophic failure in an interference engine. The ecoboost 3 cyl.? You go first!

  29. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Which brings up the question,is the new Ford 1.0L ecoboost a ‘interference’ engine? I will take a guess and say it isn’t.

  30. jmann Says:

    #14 re oil: VW, and I think most European jobs, use a “special” oil formulation – VW 502, 0W-40. BMW similar. Good for 10K changes, likey a big load of high temp protection for the Ottobaun (spl?). Expensive, not likely needed here in the USA (as you indicate) with our 70 mph speed limits.

  31. G.A.Branigan Says:

    To add to some of yesterdays discussions:


  32. XA351GT Says:

    @#24 Colorado Kid, Yes end Buick in the US. Call it Buick in China, As GM is Holden in Australia,Vauxhall in the UK and Opel in Europe.Most Buicks today are not much more than rebadged Opels.

  33. Gary Paul Says:

    Regarding timing belts and a new type of Ford belt operating while dipped in engine oil. 1. Is this truly the oil that is lubricating the engine that it is apparently partially immersed in or is there a separate reservoir of engine oil for the belt? If it is separate, would you be able to change it every so often and would it have its own filter? If it had a filter does that mean it has a pump circulating it? If the best does fail is this a non-interference (piston-valve clearance) engine?

    I too trend strongly toward the tried and true–ie., more conservative engineering in vehicle design… And yet I have seen solid engineering allow me to not have undue concerns– like on the unconventional chain drive between the trans and differential on my 1968 Olds Toronado–rock solid. A chain was used because a belt was considered not reliable enough on the big fwd machine. Nevertheless it was unconventional but dependable because it was just plain engineered well. Now as Ford moves more engineering “in-house” as is supposed to be occurring after disasters in the early 2000s, it will be up to FORD to ensure the quality and longevity of its engines and drive-trains–Indeed this may be a fine way to treat a new kind of timing belt but I would like to hear a little more about it to feel better! In fact this little engine seems interesting with its engineering in Unbalanced parts (to counteract the severe vibrations coming from the 3 cylinder). But this all has to work dependably for 300,000 miles!–(like on my little dependable Ford Ranger 4 cylinders)

    Now regarding the fact that timing belts have a recommended change interval often around 5 years or 60K miles I have an interesting observation… I have owned five Ford Rangers and the ones with the best engines were the 4 cylinder models. On my present 1997 model I just discovered at 118000 miles that I had somehow neglected to change the timing belt!–It was 16 years old and had 2 times the maximum recommended mileage but never broke. I of course replaced it. Apparently these belts can last a long time…

  34. GPL Says:

    “As to the Rubber and Oil issue all evidence at hand points to a rapid degradation of the rubber belt when continuously being subjected to Oil – Heat and Stress.”

    What evidence is that? There are many different “rubbers”, that are completely different materials with completely different properties. Some have very high operating temperatures and/or high resistance to petroleum products. Silicone for one is pretty good. Also, the stregth of a rubber belt (or hose) does not come from the rubber. The rubber is just an encasement for the fibers that actually carry tht load.

  35. cwolf Says:

    Sorry T Bejma, you are off base again! If you think your wage is not influenced by the union pay scale, you are seriously mistaken. Many engrs. I associate with have dscussed with me, that after they have proven themselves, their salary was increased a set percentage above the trades pay scale,not including past performance.
    The problem with what has transpired with the RTW law being signed is a result of outside influences, the Koch brothers,and the owner of Amway (the far right and tea party). And as the prez. said, it’s a political move, not only to bring an end to unions, but to elliminate the substancial donations made to the democratic party. Noting this law was shoved thru lame duck legislation and made impossible to overturn, the republicans once again put their party priorities over all people.
    For McElroy to say the unions should have no problems only tells me his head is deep in the sand of republican litterboxes!!!

  36. Dave Says:

    For whatever it’s worth on hybrid fuel economy, I beat my 2007 Camry Hybrid’s EPA rating of 34 combined almost every tank (my average is somewhere around 37 with a variety of city and highway driving) without trying too hard. On the FuelEconomy.gov site the user ratings range from 25 to 48mpg, bringing a whole new meaning to “your mileage may vary”! I’d love to see four categories for mileage — stop & go, continuous low speed, highway, and interstate (obviously a committee could come up with better names!) — rather than the current two of city and highway, to give people a better idea how it may work with their daily driving. The Camry Hybrid gets its best mileage going either slow in the city (under 40mph) but without many stops, or on the highway at 50-55mph. It suffers significantly over 60mph and with repeated stops and starts in the city. I honestly think the 2013 Fusion Hybrid could realistically get 47mpg given its better battery and stronger electric motors than the older Camry, but I guess I’ll have to find out one of these days when I get my hands on one. On the same site the new Fusion has a range of 32 to 53 between two people in roughly the same area who do about the same mix of city and highway driving, so go figure!

    And regarding CODA, if they don’t have a new model ready to hit the road in the next few months they might as well get it over with and lay everyone off. There’s no way I’d drive a two star crash test car for free, let alone a steep premium.

  37. cwolf Says:

    Something to share: On the way home from work, I saw 19 newer Ford Taurus. Ford must have had a fire sale!!!

  38. RonE Says:

    Re: #35, Agree. Some years ago when I was still working, our union negotiated a new contract. Several months passed when an electrical engineer told me his health care insurance improved because of our contract.

    Indiana became a RTW state this year for the second time.

    Regarding the Chrysler workers brought back, there may have been a clause in the contract that if an employee is impaired by alcohol or drugs, he/she could go to rehab treatment, depending on circumstances, instead of being fired. Sometimes it’s less expensive to rehab an employee than it is to hire and train a new one.

  39. XA351GT Says:

    I’d be more concerned that the belt riding through the oil would whip it into a foam. Isn’t that why they keep the crankshafts out of the oil? I imagine that this engine is spinning pretty fast as most small displacement engines do.

  40. HtG Says:

    John, I’d really like to hear more about the engineering behind this 1.0L Ford motor. So much work went into NVH, like this oil bath for the timing belt. I’ve seen stuff about motor mounts, flywheels, and foam.

  41. Gary Paul Says:

    Yes possible concerns from windage might be there but this is typically because an engine cannot get sufficient lubrication at high rpm from the whipped up oil causing foaming which won’t allow the oil pump to pick up oil in the crank case. But if this belt is not placed in circulated oil then it might not be that critical. Now if it is using oil from the engine oil crankcase then it must be pumped into and out of the timing belt compartment right? then there may be concerns…hmmm –wish someone would clarify all this

  42. cwolf Says:

    Just for the moment, forget about the impact the RTW law has upon the UAW. Instead, consider the possible effect it can have on everyone not self employed. Now, as a result, any Michigan business can fire anyone without representation and determine wage increases/decreases without any negotiations or care of anyones documented performance. I’m sure those indifferent to RTW won’t care cuz you excell in every aspect and your boss always has your back……and your balls in the other hand!

  43. HtG Says:

    I wonder if the appropriation provision in the Michigan RTW law is going to get past the courts. This isn’t a taxation law, and the appropriation catch has only been used in tax laws before. Anyone have info on this?

  44. C-Tech Says:

    So Bill Ford Jr. buys a classic Ford for half of the value the other guy paid for it. Once a car dealer, always a car dealer.

  45. ColoradoKid Says:

    Unions Revisited ;

    So a few here actually think for a minute that the Unions have had no effect – positive or negative on their lives . I beg to differ .

    In fact ….. I would be most willing to place a substantial wager that there is not a single person participating on this website , Johnny M , PDL etc included who’s lives Have Not significantly benefitted – either directly or indirectly from the Unions existence .

    Simply stated . Got a good paying job in a major corporation … of any kind ? Thank the Unions ( indirectly ) for the fact that you’re not getting slightly above Slave Labor wages . etc etc etc et al

    Don’t believe me ? Take a few hours of your time and read up on a little History – specifically the era of the JP Morgan’s ( read up on the phrase ‘ Morganism ) etc and see what this Country almost ended up as … but not for the Unions .

    In summation we’d all be working for peanuts while an extreme minority raked in all the cash at our expense . Self Employed ? Forget that . If Mr Morgan and Co would of had their way all Self Employed individuals would of become extinct …. excepting themselves of course … making sure we ALL worked for Them !

    #43 Thats why all the financial pundits are saying all ____ is gonna break lose in the courts with the Michigan lawyers raking it in hand over fist

  46. ColoradoKid Says:

    Ahhh but then again the John Stewart Show just reminded me its 12/12/12 Today . The beginning of the End of the World according to the Mayans so what does any RTW law matter anyway .

    All those Mayans couldn’t possibly of been wrong ! Could they ?

    Oh …. wait a minute . Weren’t the Mayans the ones who sacrificed their best and their brightest all in the name of a Stick and Ball Sport to appease some small metal gods that let them lapse into extinction as a civilization ?

    Never mind . Everything’s fine ( relatively speaking ) Carry on

  47. ColoradoKid Says:


    Smack dab on the money again cwolf !

    Give the man a cigar …. or twenty . Or at the very least a case of some fine Micro Brew ;-)

  48. ColoradoKid Says:

    Pardon me . Its getting late . The correct term in # 45 should of been ;



  49. Chuck Grenci Says:

    The Mayan calender actually ends 12/21/12 (but there is a proviso for a continuation, so not to worry); the Mayan demise came from sicknesses brought over from the ‘Old World’ (mostly the Spanish) and a nine year drought that spread (and moved) the Mayan from their original locations. And of course, my liturgy is a gross simplification; the Maya, Aztec, Incas were truly grand civilizations in their time.

  50. pedro fernandez Says:

    The Mayans just ran out of paper, that’s why the calendar ended on the 12th.

  51. T. Bejma Says:

    The Mayans were in the union and supported right to work through a work stoppage beginning on the 21st. Well played Mayans.

    As far as supporting the unions now – they had their day and everyone should be thankful for everything they did, but the current model (saving the drunks at Chrysler, etc.), just DOES NOT WORK and the chances of slipping back into J.P. Mogran style labor because of right to work is exactly ZERO.

  52. pedro fernandez Says:

    Wasn’t NUMMI a union plant as well? If so, they produced excellent stuff, so blaming the Union seems stupid.

  53. Rich Candy Says:

    Ford’s statement that the rubber timing belt will “last the life of the engine” is the sort of throwaway phrase that company spokesmen are so good at. It means nothing when you think about it. Here’s the complex decision tree that led Ford to use a rubber timing belt that runs in oil–

    1) Cost of metal chain $5.00
    2) Cost of rubber belt $4.50

    The executive in charge of making that decision sees it only possible way–rubber. And when the
    belt fails and the engine is destroyed, IBG (I’ll Be Gone) and another generation will swear “never again”.

  54. ColoradoKid Says:

    @ T Bejima

    Oh dear . You really are a bit in the dark when it comes to the realities of the modern business world now aren’t you . Suffice it to say T that Morganist Economic Model is currently in a slightly watered down format being exercised right at this very moment in History …. by …….. your Employers . If its any small source of comfort .. every other manufacture is doing the same . READ up on Morgan and his tactics .

    And given even so much as half a chance there is not one solitary major corporation in the US or Worldwide that wouldn’t jump on the chance to initiate a Full Scale Morganist Model ASAP .

    You gotta get out a bit more as well as into the fresh air and the sunlight ( oops … forgot there isn’t any of either in Detroit ) cause you really are running a bit … sight impaired ( no offense intended ) at the moment .

    Then …. you need a serious review of US Economic History as well as a whole lot of catching up on Current Events as they really are rather than the Dogma your minders are feeding you .

    Get curious . Question things . You’ll be shocked as to what you’ll learn . Just don’t do it on the internet . READ a book .. or 300 .

    And remember …… all thru out the existence of mankind one single axiom has consistently proven itself absolutely true

    HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF Over and over again . So Never say Never ( to paraphrase a Bond movie

    In closing T as to Unions . Every day you have a job you are standing on the Literal Blood of Union and Rebel thinkers who laid the foundation with in many cases their lives so’s you could enjoy the prosperity I assume you’ve got .

  55. ColoradoKid Says:


    Actually if you really look into the whole Mayan thing they never predicted the end of the world …. simply the end of their calendar ….. because they didn’t … according to their own writings … have the capability to make their calendar ( a large stone wheel ) … any bigger .e.g had they survived they’d of made a new one .

    The whole Mayan End of the World thing being just another con job to bilk folks of their hard earned cash ( you seen what some of those Survival Properties sold for ??? Yikkes ! )

    But …. they really did kill of their best and brightest to that Stick and Ball sport of theirs which was the major reason why they came to their abrupt end .

  56. Enn Norak Says:

    John, I believe the mystery car rusting in the woods is a 1953 Chrysler Windsor 4-door sedan. The engine name “Spitfire” reminds me of Triumph and Chrysler. Obviously this is not a sports car. Several cars of that era had 3-piece rear windows but the tail light, instrument housing and chrome side trim are a dead giveaway for the 1953 Chrysler. Nice find but would anyone really want to restore this one.

  57. Enn Norak Says:

    I forgot to mention that the reason the rusted mystery car is a 1953 rather than a 1952 model is that Chrysler adopted the single piece windshield only in 1953 for that model. The tail lights are identical for both model years.