Episode 1049 – 2014 Cadillac ELR, VW CrossBlue Concept, Hyundai HCD-14

January 15th, 2013 at 11:28am

Runtime: 6:09

We’ve got more of the latest reveals from the Detroit auto show today. Cadillac finally took the wraps off the production version of the ELR which is based on the same technology as the Chevy Volt. Volkswagen unveiled a diesel plug-in-hybrid SUV concept called the CrossBlue. Hyundai is showing off a concept that hints at the design direction for the next-generation Genesis. All that and more, plus one analyst predicts this could be a good year for truck sales in the U.S.

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83 Comments to “Episode 1049 – 2014 Cadillac ELR, VW CrossBlue Concept, Hyundai HCD-14”

  1. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Hyundai’s concept has got to be the ugliest ‘Audi’ I’ve ever seen. :D

  2. jesse Says:

    The Hyundai is not as ugly as the New Vette Chuck!!-*

  3. Lex Says:

    @ #1 – I agree with you totally!!!

  4. pedro fernandez Says:

    These side windows get smaller all the time, like it has become a challenge to just see out of these damn new cars, give me window and lots of greenhouse interior.

  5. Lex Says:

    I am glad Nissan is doing something with the Leaf, even if it is the wrong thing. What Nissan should do is build a Range Extended version similar to the Chevy Volt. This is the only way to boost Leaf sales in North America.

  6. G.A.Branigan Says:

    They keep raising the beltline so everything looks like a 50′s ‘chop’,they increase the pillar size,then they load down the vehicle with senors and cameras cause you can’t see.Are the designers also politicians?

  7. pedro fernandez Says:

    I have come to really like the GM full-sized sedans of the 80′s with their low beltlines and plenty of visibility all around.

  8. Lex Says:

    GM should switch all pickup truck building to GMC and drop the Chevy Silverado from it’s portfolio. Ford has the F Series, Ram is no longer part of Dodge, and GM should consolidate Chevy pickup truck divison into GMC. GM has to much duplication of time, effort and resources maintaining two versions of the same vehicle.
    GM just needs to build a better truck and let the market decide, not attack the market with two versions of the same vehicle from two brand divisons.

  9. HtG Says:

    Some of these cars I’m looking at remind me of a past life as a vomitorium attendant. There’s a thin slime between emotional and emetic

  10. T. Bejma Says:

    Amazing the universal disgust for appearance of the Lexus IS…

    http://www.autoblog.com/2013/01/15/2014-lexus-is-detroit-2013/#aol-comments

    CK – Who do you think will win the Super Bowl? With your record on predictions lately I should be able to make a killing picking the opposite of you ;-)

  11. pedro fernandez Says:

    Has anyone also noticed that just about ALL new vehicles have the same basic dash layout of the 2 vertical center vents surrounding the audio/ climate controls? Just saw the interior of the GM trucks and they’re doing the same thing.

  12. Lex Says:

    I want to hear more about Honda’s Urban CUV Concept. Is this going to be the long awaited replacement of the Honda Element or the redo of the awkward Honda Crosstour?

  13. pedro fernandez Says:

    #10 blame Mazda for starting this bass mouth trend a few years back.

  14. Earl Says:

    Concept vehicles are what the name implies.Designers purposely over do it and the real thing gets toned down. Much of this will never see the light of day.
    Now ,what happens is the designers will come up with something nice and then watch out. Like over at GM, the bean counters will get in there and you could conceivably get a 4 door sedan with absolutely no leg room in the back.

  15. David Sprowl Says:

    no John I do not think the VW is reminiscent of a Ford at all. I think it is an exact copy or badge engineered.

  16. HtG Says:

    I thought that VW was the new Jeep. May be getting old

  17. pedro fernandez Says:

    That VW looks like the Dodge Journey to me!

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8,
    I thought GM should have dropped GMC, to get rid of an almost totally redundant brand. I guess some people think they should expand it instead. Terrain is the only GMC that isn’t an almost exact version of a Chevy, except the nose. Well, maybe the big GMC crossover may be more like the Buick than the Chevy.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17,
    I was thinking that too. It is, after all, replacing the Chrysler minivan in VW’s lineup, so that seems appropriate.

  20. C-Tech Says:

    @ #17 Pedro is right. Is Dodge building an SUV for VW as well as the Routan?

  21. ColoradoKid Says:

    Amazing the universal disgust over the C7 . More than a few worldwide have asked of the official GM photos ( which in truth are computer generated images ).

    ” Are you sure thats not just PhotoShopped Viper photos posing as the new C7 ? ”

    Comments in the UK ranging from Xerox Design .. to fugly ….. to … well …… its official TB ! The C7 is now the laughing stock of the World . The comments in Italy and Germany are even worse . Oh a few lost souls here and there like it . But the overwhelming majority …. think its a joke .

    It is so nice now though no longer needing to justify having the Corvette in my Top Ten recommended list . Cause …. its NOT !

    I agree whole heartedly with #1 and #2 btw

    #10 The team with the most points at the end wise acre . BTW I’m not a fan … As far as predictions ….. remind me oh GM Apologist .. Which prediction have I made of late that didn’t come to past ?

    Predicted GM would screw up the Vette – They did

    Predicted the ATS would not compete with BMW-Mercedes -Audi …. it isn’t

    Hoped the IS SportBack rumor might be true but assumed it would not be …. right again

    Said GM’s sales would go down and Toyota would regain #1 . They both did

    Said Cadillac’s sales would go down despite the ATS . They did

    Said GM’s truck inventory would not go down in the FIRST Quarter ….. all signs point to a Smoke & Mirrors numbers game end play by GM … and in reality the inventory remains too high . with only two months to go .

    Hmmn . Care to enlighten me cause I aint seein it

    So here’s one for all the Beer ( lets go double or nothing TB )

    I’ll wager that by years end the Lexus IS will have out sold the ATS ….. and by a reasonably substantial margin …. with the ATS at the bottom of the pile sales wise in its segment . Fact is I’ll wager the new Q37 out sells the ATS as well .

  22. C-Tech Says:

    @ #10 Hey T.B., I want a piece of that! :)

  23. ColoradoKid Says:

    HtG

    btw; Its official . I’m keepin the Benz ;-)

    Aint nuthin new on offer … concept or otherwise worth even considering . The NAIAS this year coming up Snake Eyes IMO ! With Geneva’s prospects not looking much better

    T Bejima – Forgot one ! Said the ATS would get the sympathy vote for COTY as well as the Dodge getting the ‘ its the only truck in the running ” TOTY as well . Right again I’m afraid !

    Yeah I’ve been missing em left and right …. haven’t I . ;-)

  24. HtG Says:

    23 it will be a classic

  25. pedro fernandez Says:

    Anyone see the wheels on the NSX? looks like they were burned and got deformed by the heat.

  26. T. Bejma Says:

    #21

    Who cares what the UK, Germany, Italy, etc. care about the Corvette, they didn’t like the C6 either…

    - Corvette is being praised for it’s design all over the “USA” media and commentators, CK – Wrong (except in his mind)

    - ATS beats the BMW in braking and handling, that is well documented, CK – Wrong

    - The Tsunami affect assured that Toyota would come back from 2011. GM is missing 4 brands from pre-bankruptcy days, that one is obvious not a prediction, CK – not impressive

    - Cadillac sales are going down because ATS is competing with a discounted, end of life CTS, CK – not impressive

    - GM Truck inventory still going down, CK – TBD

    Anyone can say they are 100% right if they ignore the truth… ;-)

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21,
    How about some links supporting a few of these claims you are making like, for a start, “all these comments from around the world” about the C7.

  28. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ T Bejma: Any ideas when GM is going to intro the 2014 Canyon/Colorado? In diesel form too?

  29. Chuck Grenci Says:

    John has mentioned time after time why GM held onto GMC (they’re making money), and there is reason to think if they did discontinue the brand and consolidate with Chevy (or visa versa) that enough of those sales would not transfer (and those sales would be lost to other manufacturers. I agree to his (John’s) evaluation/insite.

    I also feel that T.B. evaluation(s) hold the most water in the above diatribe.

  30. gary susie Says:

    CK sure thinks he’s something. Corvette looks great. Could it be chevy pickup are in high supply because GM build alot because they were shutting factory for retooling. ATS kicked BMW’s butt in all tests i seen. Wanted to buy one and dealer wouldn’t deal because new car and demand was high. Bought a CTS instead and love it.

  31. HtG Says:

    27 Is this what you mean, Kit?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CKRrXvrSukc

    I think the penny dropped for me about why Peter DeL. sold his 991, and why he took the Fifth on AAH last week on whether he had seen the C7 already. Am I right, Pietro?

  32. C-Tech Says:

    For all the C& haters

    http://wh.gov/E8tc

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #29,
    Yeah, I’ve heard that the hokey “professional grade” ads actually work, and make some people believe that a Sierra is better than a Silverado. Also, having more dealers to chose from should help total sales, at least a little.

  34. C-Tech Says:

    Sorry, that should be for all the C7 haters

    http://wh.gov/E8tc

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31, That’s good. Thanks for posting the link.

  36. HtG Says:

    ;)

  37. ColoradoKid Says:

    VW CrossBlue

    1) It aint no Chrysler product guaranteed . Marchionne and Winterkorn despise one another and wouldn’t so much as share a glass of prosecco ….never mind share a common platform

    2) Anyway if ALD had some close up and detail shots you’d see the CrossBlue’s got a transverse motor … not an inline mount

    3) And …in truth the CrossBlue is based on the MQB platform . which much of the UK/EU media has already revealed …

    From the Italian media ;

    One of Italy’s top designers and critics said this about the C7 .

    First he told the ongoing saga of Ford suing Ferrari over the F150 moniker …. both on Ferrari’s F1 car and their upcoming Supercar ( F70 – F150 ? )

    He then …. after spending in his words several hours pondering the C7′s design …. came to the conclusion that both Ferrari ( F12 ) and FIAT/Chrysler SpA ( new Viper ) should join forces to sue the living H E double toothpicks out of GM … for blatant design and copyright infringement/theft .

    Personally I’d get a real hoot outta that . Ford suing Ferrari over the use of F150 …. and Ferrari/FIAT/Chrysler SpA suing the pants off of GM over the C7 .

    Basta ! 8)

  38. HtG Says:

    Everybody should just apologize to Big Tio

    https://www.google.com/search?q=ferrari+250+gto&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=BrP1UIWCLeLh0gHyrYHoCQ&ved=0CEkQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=653

  39. Kit Gerhart Says:

    “2) Anyway if ALD had some close up and detail shots you’d see the CrossBlue’s got a transverse motor … not an inline mount”

    Yes, transverse engine, exactly like a Journey.

    Yes, I know the VW is not a rebadged Journey. It just looks like one at first glance of the photo.

  40. Jonathan Says:

    A tremendous percentage of the corvette community is in awe of the new C7. Its so funny to watch because just as the C6 did away with pop up head lights back in 2004…there were those corvette owners that loved that featureas corvette…they absolutely needed to go for a test drive of the C6 to fall in love yet again with americas iconic sports car. Its the same with many of those corvette enthusiasts speaking negatively about the new cutting edge futuristic design. I happen to love the new C7 as I do the C6 and my previous C5Z06!

    For sixty years corvette engineers and stylist have lead the consumer into the next decade with class leading performance and exterior styling…not only that but now the corvette designers have added a class leading interior..

    Say what you will nothing can compete as successfully for consumers attention, desire and passion as shown by the last 60 years of the corvette brand…

    Polarization of the sports car community as a whole is a corvette standard attribute.

    Simply put……….Those who love the corvette they presently have aren’t always immdediately ready for really dramatic change while competitors are always fearful and have nothing but admiration for what chevy can accomplish with corvette….

    Of course then there are those of us ready to openly admire and truly enjoy the latest and greatest corvette.

    The upcoming C7 z51 with MRC suspension, competition seats and the NPP exhaust is a vehicle that is affordable as well as fun both on the street and the track….

    As the standard corvette…now aptly called Stingray…its the best corvette of the latest generation…

    Thanks for the great reporting John….your daily shows, your autoline after hours and your excellent coverage of the various autoshows truly makes being an automotive enthusiast an exciting adventure.

    PS..the ELR looks amazing too! ;)

    .

  41. ColoradoKid Says:

    C-tech

    Just because temporarily the C7 has a modicum of popularity doesn’t mean its good . Just means Joe Public has lost most or all his/her sense of discernment , style and good taste …. substituting the same for a vulgar OTT crass Cartoon semblance of design ethos .

    In case you hadn’t noticed . Ugly is … and has been ( for the last two decades ) the new Beautiful . Want proof ?

    It was revealed last week that several major colleges and universities are now offering an Art Degree … who’s sole purpose is to teach the students how to market horrid ugly and otherwise worthless junk as Art …. and then sell it for ridiculous prices to an undiscerning public with more money than brains . e.g They’re being taught …. to lie .

    Which should come as no surprise seeing as how the auto industry’s been doing the same …. without the degree …. for years now

    #30 Its all about the numbers … not your personal experiences .. and the numbers say ….. ATS … sales wise …. F

    But please … do come back in a few months and enlighten us as to your maintenance and repair experiences with that CTS ;-) I

  42. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ 34: I would ask if you were kidding but I see the petition is real.Some people need to manage their time better……or sumthin’ ;}>

  43. ColoradoKid Says:

    #38

    Now THAT ! Is design ;-)

  44. ColoradoKid Says:

    #42

    Yeah like even I … as much as I despise the C7 …would waste my time signing up – then logging in just to ‘ sign ‘ a vaporware and otherwise meaningless petition .

  45. Kit Gerhart Says:

    42, When I checked the petition, they still needed 24,999 votes to reach the goal of 25,000.

  46. Kit Gerhart Says:

    38,43,
    Did I detect a trend in color choice?

  47. ColoradoKid Says:

    Hate to say this but if Pietro sold his Porsche in order to finance a new C7 …. He has my condolences as well as my undying pity . Especially when the time comes and he goes to sell that C7 … and takes the financial bath of a lifetime … at his age I might add
    … not to mention what that C7 will do to his back etc .

  48. T. Bejma Says:

    #28

    G.A. – Colorado/Canyon should be out mid 2014 as a 2015 model, we are working on the prototype builds right now. Going to look much different (better) than the current version from Brazil and Thailand. I don’t work in powertrain so not sure about the diesel. I would expect at launch though.

  49. ColoradoKid Says:

    #26

    No sorry TB . But its you that at best is wrong …. and at worst somewhat deluded and confused . The issue with the ATS in my comment was S-A-L-E-S … not a pant load of manufactured reviews by magazines indebted and beholding to GM ( see my older post and link on ” Who pays for your Magazine ” )

    Why should we care about the EU/UK press when it comes to the C7 you ask ? Cause in case you hadn’t noticed …. US Corvette sales of late cannot justify the cost of manufacturing etc . e.g. No overseas sales for the Vette .. no profit for GM . And anyway how in the heck can the C7 Claim to be World Class when the World in fact thinks it stinks ? Thats like an NFL team ‘ claiming ‘ they’re World Champions when in fact there is no ‘World ‘Championship for them to claim

    The truck inventory is NOT in fact going down ( see my previous post a couple of weeks ago for the links ) but rather GM has been playing their fictitious numbers games … again … you know …. ;-)

    And I never said I was 100% right … and in fact have been …. unlike yourself …. the first to admit it when I’m wrong . Its just on the issues you and I have been debating where in fact I’ve been hitting a solid 98% if not 100% . Mostly because you’re far too anxious to defend your employers and much too unwilling to look at the facts … not because I’m such a bleeding genius . Cause in truth …… I’m not ! ;-)

  50. T. Bejma Says:

    #37

    So Italian media isn’t on the internet (where someone could post a link so that everyone would not think a person was full of BS)? Strange…

  51. Jonathan Says:

    I am always intrigued by the misconception that the ability to critize anything is often mistaken for intelligence.

    I much rather admire the ability to establish and admire fine efforts of cutting edge design.

    Whether it be the new corvette, ATS or upcoming CTS.

    Beauty truly is in the eye of the beholder as is distaste for a particular design.

    I often wonder which is the more productive and satisfying path to choose.

    I believe it to be the admiration of the good aspects and leave the negative opinions for those who work so very hard to find that elusive goal we call success.

    The new corvette, ATS and ELR are cutting edge.

    Sometimes John Q Public can make the leap forward and sometimes they can’t

    I look foward to the excitment as the actual road test data and reports come from the media and future owners.

    To me that usually is the final word. Some manage to talk the talk but yet those so quick to critize… never quite manage the walk the walk..

    To those with such distain for the cutting design GM calls the seventh generation corvette……which in real life is it for you and rather not just the internet chatroom discussion?

    With all due respect which is it for you?

    Do you find a level of satisfaction is being able to critique (SP) as it gives you the grand stand and attention to have others listen…? or is it because you prefer to rudely go where no man has gone before?

    Never is it wrong to critique (sp) but rather do so with a degree of civility and respect for those who might not share your opinion.

    I respect your ability to have an opinion. I would hope that in your future efforts you have that same degree of courtesy.

    Have a nice day and enjoy the drive…

    I know I do ;)

  52. T. Bejma Says:

    #49

    S A L E S Information for ATS and CTS

    12/2001 CTS = 5,420, ATS = 0 (not on sale)
    9-12/2011 CTS = 13,142, ATS = 0 (not on sale)
    11/2012 CTS = 2,798, ATS = 2,152
    12/2012 CTS = 3,372, ATS = 2,979

    As I said, CTS is stealing sales from ATS and vice versa. ATS selling almost as many as the (very well discounted) CTS in December. That equals a S-A-L-E-S SUCCESS…

  53. Kit Gerhart Says:

    From the comments section of a Carmagazine UK article about the C7:

    “I always found American cars to be a bit of an enigma. I positively detested them until I came across a charger being restored where my Jag was being done and changed my tune about American cars lacking style and sophistication. I feel head over heels for this late 60’s metallic green charger. My friend then bought a very cheap Stick shift 1969 Chevrolet Corvette L88 Roadster, in red, and collected me from the airport one summers evening. (I kick myself for not finding the 7 grand he wanted for it 5 or 6 years ago). Since then I have learnt to accept the alleged crudeness in design and of the leaf spring because in some instances it actually does work extremely on the road. 700 miles in 2 days in the most recent stang confirmed this. As for this Vette, I applaud the revival of the Stingray moniker and I congratulate GM on the design, which I initially thought (before reading the headline) was of the new F12. One would however have to be very brave indeed to choose one new over a 911 or F-Type, but at least the owner would be assured of individuality over here in Europe. Long may the small block Chevy and the vette live. Cars like these brighten up ones day. Accept these for what they are. I imagine that the whole project was actually handled by a very small team of enthusiasts and I love the idea of that. Will I ever own one? Probably not. Does not stop me from liking it though.”

  54. HtG Says:

    51 If there’s one thing I have learned from aesthetic interests, it’s to look past my initial impression. I’m just not quick enough to ‘get it’ in every category, even though with cars I employ my smile test, i.e. do I smile? For cars especially, you need to see the thing roll by en plein air. Also, the lenses photographers use are not truth tellers, as they distort the living object onto the flat surface.

    Will you go to Motown to see C7, Jonathan?

  55. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ T.Bejma: Thanx for the info.That goes a year beyond what I was anticipating.Hmmm.

  56. C-Tech Says:

    @ #49 I think all your genius bled out a long time ago.

  57. Kit Gerhart Says:

    52,
    For now, the ATS and CTS are competing against each other, a lot. The next CTS will move closer to the slot vacated by the STS, at least in size.

    I’ve read a couple places that the ATS has a very high rate of “conquest sales.” 70 percent of the sales of ATS replacing another car, are replacing a different brand. Hopefully, these buyers will like their purchases, and come back for more in the future.

  58. G.A.Branigan Says:

    I normally do not like the styling direction that caddy has been into now for years.I do however like the ATS,inside and out.I think they did a pretty good job.As for maybe competeing against the likes of audi/merc/bmw,I would buy the ats long before buying the foreign brands,which I never much cared for anyways.My tastes are ‘pedestrian’ compared to most,and I don’t really care.I like American and always will.

  59. cwolf Says:

    I hate to break up the love spat between KC and TB, but news that the new Range Rover is 700 lbs. lighter just floors me! Even for a pig, that’s alot of weight to shed.

  60. cwolf Says:

    I was just reading the Kidds post where he has now called “Joe Public” senseless. I am now wondering if this could be an excuse for his acquaintances not to pay the price to hear him in concert. I mean, ya have to understand why someone would consider him completely out of tune!

  61. cwolf Says:

    I’m sorry CK. I’m sure you excell in your occupation and my post was little more than a poke in the ribs for appearing so righteous.

  62. Kit Gerhart Says:

    40,
    I remember people whining about the exposed headlights when the C6 first appeared, and “copying Viper” was part of the conversation. I guess some things never change.

  63. pedro fernandez Says:

    Any body saw the Corolla model that was shown at the COBO? if they really would build that that it would turn off grannies from buying them. Toyota has to be very careful, to appease the critics, it may easily drive off the loyal buyers.

  64. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Pedro, your right IMO; it is a fine line between aggressive styling and acceptance (especially in a main stream, and in this case, ultimate mainstream vehicle).

  65. ColoradoKid Says:

    Brother .. does this article ever mirror my debates/conversations with T Bejima verbatim ;

    http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/01/new-corvette-same-old-gm-or-how-the-general-fails-at-the-fourth-wall/#more-473933

    Is this GM person your twin perhaps TB or do all GM employees get the ” Dodge the Question – Place the blame on everyone else and for gods sake follow the company line despite what the facts might be ” training ?

    As to why the EU/UK disliked the C6 Mr Bejima .

    The P-R-I-C-E … plain and simple . To put it simply in the US you could buy a well equipped C6 for $20-30k less than a base model .. equal performance Porsche 911

    Whereas in the EU/UK you’d pay substantially more for a base model C6 than you would a well equipped 911 . Here a ZR1 is half to a third the cost of a 458 …. whereas there it costs the same or more

    At our prices … sure the C6 ( all versions ) was a bargain … and you could forgive a raft of ills ( cheap interior – neanderthal rear suspension – rattles – self removing roof panels etc ) because of the $$$$ you’d saved and the performance the C6 could deliver …. as well as it being dignified looking enough to show up anywhere at all .. even in its somewhat tacky and OTT ZR1 Z06 guise .

    Whereas in the EU/UK what with their prices thanks to GM’s ineptitude …. the C6 in all its guises was a blatant rip off . And that …. is why to a number the EU/UK press criticized the C6 . Not its looks . Not its styling . Not even its performance . It was the price they justifiably hated with a livid passion

    So get the facts straight T before engaging me in a conversation about the importance of the EU/UK presses opinions if you would good sir !

  66. XA351GT Says:

    So let’s see if I have this right. GM has one slow selling overpriced electric turd so now they make another even more expensive one and this is going to sell how? Time to pull your heads out GM and admit that these are cars that no one wants , at least at the price points these are being sold at. Even at these prices they can’t even begin to make money on them . Hello, are you not in business to make money?

  67. pedro fernandez Says:

    I’ve said before, the ELR would sell very well if they put an ICE in there instead of the Volt system, perhaps some refined turbo 4 cyl or a hybrid, not an EV.

  68. HtG Says:

    the ELR will sell like hotcakes. Sexy hotcakes

  69. Kit Gerhart Says:

    65,
    Other reasons not many people in Europe would buy Corvettes, is that very few shops are familiar with them, and would know how to work on them. Also, they don’t make them RHD, a major deterrent in the UK, for anyone who might want to drive them a lot.

    Also, CK, I still haven’t seen your links to all the hate articles about the C7 from the UK press. I found a couple, that were neutral, to mildly positive.

  70. T. Bejma Says:

    #65

    Love the comment section from the TTAC article. They “ain’t buyin’ it” and neither am I…

    Even TTAC is having a hard time bashing GM these days with having to dredge up articles from 2007 and then getting no support from the readers…

  71. cwolf Says:

    TB, though tariffs between the EU and US are only about 3%, European regulations and national rules make US purchases troublesome, time consuming and the paperwork adds significant costs. This was resently reported in business news and NY Times in an article stating a trade agreement is on Obama’s desk. Of all people, KC should have considered this bit of info. And given TTAC’s bias, if’n I were GM, I wouldn’t even given them a nano second of my time. They are like the Fox news of the auto bloggers when it comes to anything American.

  72. blueovalblood Says:

    John, I saw some pictures of the 2015 F150 concept on one of the Ford (employee) web sites. If the next gen f150 is anything close to the pics, Ram will have their work cut out for them again; just stick a fork in GoMoCo. Have you seen it at the NAIAS or the “truck forum?” (I think that is what Ford was calling it off site)?

  73. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Cheap shot (and unsubstantiated) concerning calling the rear leaf spring (on Corvette) antiquated. There are all sorts of alternate rear springing methods looking to provide equal (and/or progressive) springing for the rear suspension; the leaf spring (and especially the Corvette’s composite, which certainly isn’t antiquated) just works great at providing progressive support where it is needed. Same goes for the use of antiquated when referring to ‘pushrods’; if you make them work (and work well), different (than newer convention) isn’t wrong. Space (packaging), relative simplicity and lightness are all benefits of pushrod design.

  74. T. Bejma Says:

    #72

    A lot of the comments on the “Atlas” are not very favorable…

    http://www.autoblog.com/2013/01/15/ford-atlas-concept-detroit-2013/#aol-comments

  75. ukendoit Says:

    When the C6 came out, it looked like they emulated the Viper with their carbon-copy GM version. I like the styling of the C7 and I’m glad to see they came up with their own design this time. (Although, the C pillar area does remind me of a Mustang…)

  76. Kit Gerhart Says:

    That Atlas concept is good at looking “macho,” if that is what you like, with jacked up ride height and the big, gaudy front end. It’s not my thing, but I’m sure a lot of pickup fans with think it’s great.

  77. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Ford lost me years ago in regards to their trucks.

  78. Kit Gerhart Says:

    As I’m sure everyone here knows, I’m not a pickup truck fan, but my favorites of the fairly recent past, are the second generation S-10/Sonoma, and second generation Dakota. Of the big ones, I liked the kind of “rounded” F series of sometime in the 90′s. As a car person, I like the least “trucky” pickups the best. The manufacturers aren’t trying to appeal to me, thus the Atlas concept, Ram, Ford “extra duty,” etc.

  79. HtG Says:

    I predict CK and TB will have an OMG about what PDL said about C7 at AE

  80. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Kit: I know your not into pickups,but believe me they are a necessity for many people.And I can tell you that if given a choice,all pu owners would love a higher mpg truck IF one were available.

  81. ColoradoKid Says:

    TTAC’s review of Chevy’s presence at the NAIAS ;

    ” Loser – Chevrolet: Reaction to the C7 Corvette has been “mixed”. Reaction on the internet was positive, but the buzz on the show floor was not as enthusiastic. Personally, I think it is overwrought, riddled with too many vents and gills and crap. Yes, the interior has been improved…at the expense of the exterior. The GM trucks are just as underwhelming in person as they are in photos, and they stayed locked for most of the press days. Not an encouraging sign. With the Ram 1500 now competitive, and the F-150 as good as ever “good enough” is a recipe for diminishing market share in the full-size truck market ”

    Take special notice of the dichotomy between the ‘ Internet ‘ and ‘ On the Floor ‘ reactions to the C7 . Photos vs In the Plastic .

  82. Kit Gerhart Says:

    PDL was at the show, and had two problems with the C7, the “side detailing,” and the tail, especially the Camaroesque tail lights. I strongly agree with him on the tail lights. Since the car won’t go into production until June or so, I’d think they could change the back of the car. It would cost money, if the tooling is already made, but almost everyone seems to agree that the Camaro tail lights don’t belong on a Corvette.

    PDL seems to think it should have round lights. I’m sure we will see renderings of the car with round lights, to get a better idea of what it would look like.

  83. Kit Gerhart Says:

    80,

    Pickups are a necessity for a few people, and a lot of other people rationalize having them to save a $25 delivery bill from Home Depot every few years. For my limited needs for hauling stuff when in Indiana, I have a 4×8 flatbed tilt trailer, which can be pulled by any vehicle.

    Still, as long as the U.S. has the cheapest gas in the developed world, or nearly so, a lot of people will buy pickups, most of them with larger than the base engines, and pickups will continue to be “cash cows” for the Detroit Three.