AD #1137 – Kia’s New Full-Size Sedan, GM Stock on the Rise, Record U.S. Auto Sales Coming?

May 20th, 2013 at 11:42am

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John McElroy has his first impressions of Kia’s new full-size sedan, the Cadenza, which is a stretched version of the Optima. For the first time in two years, GM’s stock closes above its IPO. According to Bank of America Merrill Lynch light vehicle sales will smash the all-time sales record in the U.S. by 2018. All that and more, plus a look at how augmented reality can make race car driving safer.

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Hello and welcome to a brand new week of Autoline Daily. It sure is good to be back in the studio. The reason I was out last week is that I was test driving the new Kia Cadenza. We’ll have more about the car in the near future but here’s a quick snapshot.

The Cadenza is a full-size sedan that will compete against cars like the Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Ford Taurus and Chevy Impala. It’s actually based on a stretched version of the Kia Optima and equipped with a 3.3 liter V-6, whereas the Optima only comes with a four-cylinder engine. Base price of the Cadenza is $36,000, fully loaded it goes for $42,000. Here’s my Autoline Insight. The Cadenza is not going to win any car of the year awards, but it’s a nice sedan. The best thing it has going for it is the styling, another great job from Kia’s head designer Peter Schreyer. And it comes with a boatload of standard equipment that is going to make the other full-size cars it competes against break out in a cold sweat. Like I said, we’ll have more info in the days to come.

The Wall Street bulls are starting to run with General Motors. The company’s stock price hit $33.42 on Friday, the first time in two years GM’s shares closed above its $33 IPO. Bloomberg reports that analysts think the price will continue to rebound thanks to 20 new models hitting showrooms in the U.S. this year, including its hyper-profitable pick-ups. They also like how the company is performing in China and Europe. By the way if you want more information about GM’s finances, check out last week’s episode of Autoline with GM CFO Dan Ammann. Good show!

Late last year the Chinese government slashed purchases of imported luxury vehicles in order to curb spending. Now Bloomberg reports this has caused the price of imported vehicles to drop because of less demand. The average price of imported cars fell by over 3 percent in April.

But while luxury sales are going soft, Japanese automakers are showing signs of improvement in China thanks to a wave of new products. Before that island dispute between Japan and China last year, Japanese brands’ market share was 20 percent. By February of this year it had dropped to only 12.5 percent. But that share crept up to 15 percent in March. Sales for Toyota, Mazda and Honda were still down in April but not by as much as before and Nissan actually saw sales increase last month.

The joint venture between Nissan and Mitsubishi that started two years ago is showing off its first model. It is a minicar built for Japan that will carry the names Nissan DAYZ and Mitsubishi eK Wagon. They are said to have high-quality interior feel, best-in-class fuel economy and will feature a touch-screen air conditioning system. They’ll go on sale in June with a wagon version coming next year.

And this report is for all of you who, five years ago, told me the American market would never recover from the Great Recession. According to Bank of America Merrill Lynch light vehicle sales will hit 18 million units in the U.S. by 2018. And of course, that would smash the all-time sales record. Merrill-Lynch points to the continued economic recovery, and predicts there will be more jobs, more miles driven, more product launches, and easier credit at lower rates. Is this a great time to be alive, or what? But I guess that means traffic is not going to be getting any better anytime soon.

Augmented reality is starting to show up everywhere these days and it’s only a matter of time before it shows up in cars. Well actually, it’s already showing up in cars. The Corvette racing teams is using it to good effect and we’ll show you what it’s all about right after this.

Do you know what augmented reality is? If not, we would describe it as a way to look at something in the real world, but then use a computer to enhance or add something to that view. While it is not a new technology, augmented reality, or AR, is now being used for a lot more than showing sports scores on the bottom of your TV screen during a game. Sean McElroy has this report.

(Clip of the Pratt & Miller augmented reality camera system can only be viewed in the video version of today’s show.)

The Pratt & Miller system is the only one of its kind currently in racing, and it does have plans to sell the technology to other teams in the future, although pricing has yet to be determined.

Augmented reality will start showing up in production cars before this decade is out. It will be used to alert drivers to upcoming road hazards, traffic situations, and even be incorporated into the navigation system.

And that wraps up today’s report. Thanks for watching and we’ll see you tomorrow.

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57 Comments to “AD #1137 – Kia’s New Full-Size Sedan, GM Stock on the Rise, Record U.S. Auto Sales Coming?”

  1. pedro fernandez Says:

    BoA is full of it, while they make these out there predictions, in reality they’re getting really picky as to whom they give credit to, I have been a customer since their inception and yet, just because I’ve been down economically lately, they’ve kicked me in the head numerous times as I try to recover, have had to pull some accounts out of there and plan to pull some more!

  2. ColoradoKid Says:

    Monday Morning Eye Candy

    A Caterham 7 turned 50′s – 60′s Indy Roadster . Whats not to love ? Too bad its not real ……


    Augmented Reality ? Virtual augmentation aimed at those for whom reality is not enough to hold their interest , e.g. the Dyslexic Humming Bird ADD among us or the reality impaired I’m afraid .

    It is unfortunate … with all the beauty and excitement the real world has on offer right out side one’s own back door regardless of one’s circumstances that we’re rapidly becoming slaves as well as addicted to the plethora of Hyper Reality being shoved down our willing throats by everything from Politics to Sports to Cars to Retail , Print TV & Movies , Internet right on down the line .

  3. ColoradoKid Says:

    Pedro mi amigo .

    First off … sorry BoA’s got its claws into your lives . Second … they’re more than just full of it . They are down right delusional … either that or have gotten into M&M’s ( Marchionne & Musk ) Kick a Poo Joy Juice big time .

    This minor upturn in automotive sales is predicted to be temporary at best by anyone with a modicum of knowledge and the willingness to tell it like it really is . With millions still unemployed (a majority being so for so long they no longer are counted ) – 2.5 million homes in repo limbo – gas prices nationwide climbing faster than X-Games speed climbers – the EU economy crashing down like an avalanche in spring – no real or viable JOB growth to speak of – China on the verge of financial implosion – the fact that there’s nothing happening anywhere to justify this optimism etc etc …. not to mention BoA’s less than stellar track record in predicting much of anything ….

    Well mi amigo . Methinks even Delusional is an understatement

    If at all possible my friend ….. move your business elsewhere ….ASAP . And if you can and do . Steer very clear of JP Morgan and CitiBank as well ….. check out a local Credit Union or the such instead

    * To those unaware of this dirty little fact . At the point one no longer qualifies for Unemployment benefits due to the benefits expiring one is no longer counted on the Nationwide Unemployment numbers ….. which is more than a bit deceptive as well as being very inaccurate when the ‘ Numbers ‘ are handed out to the public and the press

  4. pedro fernandez Says:

    CK perhaps the BoA predictions involve those who WISH they could buy new wheels as opposed to those who actually CAN without a 7 yr car loan or selling off their first born, all I know that more and more I see folks using food stamps to buy their groceries, locally, it has become almost a rare sight to see someone use cash or debit for their basic necessities.

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    2, Those renderings are great, except the tires look way too wide. Indy roadsters had big wheels, with really skinny looking tires.

  6. pedro fernandez Says:

    Just read online that comedian Sinbad is also “broke” and owes the IRS tons,another one bites the poor (food stamps for Sinbad) if even highly paid show business types are having a hard time, don’t see how BoA’s prediction can make any sense at all!

  7. pedro fernandez Says:

    Kit I’ve seen 18in aftermarket wheels on Corollas, it’s the trend, baby!

  8. pedro fernandez Says:

    John, it took you days to test drive the Cadenza?? Did you travel the whole stretch of route 66? Come on, if you had tested the new S Class or the Tesla, then I could see it!

  9. Don LaCombe Says:

    Hmmm-could AR pick up that State Trooper lurking 1/4 behind you?

  10. T. Bejma Says:


    Eye Candy – Sign me up!

    Funny little dichotomy there in your comments CK…

    “A Caterham 7 turned 50′s – 60′s Indy Roadster . Whats not to love ? Too bad its not real ……”

    “Augmented Reality ? Virtual augmentation aimed at those for whom reality is not enough to hold their interest ,”

    Loving something not real and then knocking things that are not real…

  11. HtG Says:

    9 State Trooper, you say Don LaCombe? How about a light show to let Mr. Mom driving his SUV in the left lane know that I(or someone like me, who does not suffer from Fool Rage) is coming up behind him? I’m calling it The Tapper.

  12. Ed Says:

    GM got 49.5 billion (yes with a B) of taxpayer dollars, have paid back about 6 Billion, Uncle Sam (you and me) hold stock at its current devalued price, and GM (the new company) gets the old company’s IRS losses to clean up with no taxes! Ford didn’t get this sweetheart deal. And the rest of us didn’t even get kissed after it was done. I am not interested in buying anything from GM. And the next failure is already in the works. They got a lot of soul searching to do and do what’s right for the USA, before they get back right with us/ US.

  13. ColoradoKid Says:

    Caterham 7- Indy Roadster revisited

    Kit – Its a modern interpretation based on the Caterham 7 …. hence the wider wheels and tires . Seems to me if someone made the kit ( no pun intended ) …. there’s folks that’d buy em. I mean jeeze …. a Hot Rod that handles better than 90% of all the sports cars on offer

    T Bejma – #10 – So … what …. the regret implied by my comment ” Too bad its not real ” slipped right by you ? ;-)


    Pedro – BoA’s predictions are based on the ( all too real ) hope that everyone who reads them will fall for them like a ton of bricks … go spend like crazy and come running to BoA’s door to do business as over optimism unfounded most often will amongst the general public

    e,g, You want to attract business ? Tell everybody even though the facts deny it that everything’s just fine . Want to drive them away in droves ? Tell em like it is …. all the ugly facts and truths … with of course the sound advice as how to deal with the present reality included

    Everybody loves a FairyTale with a happy ending … even when it costs them everything they have

  14. ColoradoKid Says:

    12 – Ed … except as it was recently revealed that Ford in fact did receive some $10 billion plus in Government loans …. which …. they like GM ….. have yet to pay back !

    So yes Ford got no bailouts and unlike GM WILL have to pay back every penny plus interest ….. but they did get one heck of a deal on that loan so … yeah … Ford is better than GM on that front … but still not without culpability

  15. pedro fernandez Says:

    Some folks who have the means either have zero trust in the economy or like a client I met last week, well-off for sure, zero interest in cars. (owns 6 yr old CRV) and plans to hold on as long as it continues to meets his needs.

  16. ColoradoKid Says:

    15 – Count me amongst the first category … e.g. No trust in light of the reality at hand . Thats one of several reasons we’re not buying ( Real Estate ) and rather renting . We’re as I’ve talked about before …. a very rapidly growing minority .. heading towards majority ( according to the Harvard School of Business ) the OWMNB’s = Out ( of the real estate market ) with Money Not Buying . Heck … we’re as a group even in the MBA text books now !


    Spotted ! Parked nose to tail . A brandy spankin new TESLA S in the most hideous over sized metal flake blue ( that’d embarrass even the most OTT 60′s early 70′s Hot Rod/Custom car fan ) …. in front of a well maintained albeit high mileage BMW 850i .

    The comparison and contrast of design being startling . The 850i looking as modern and relevant as the day it was made … with the TESLA S already looking well past its sell by date Trendy gone stale .. with a bit too much ” Iron Man ” ( the movie not the song ) for comfort . Have to say the Quality of the paint on the TESLA S was objectionable as well for a car in this price range. Horrid sums it up .

    Class ( 850i ) vs Crass ( TESLA S ) hands down !

  17. Chuck Grenci Says:

    I give the Cadenza a “B” in styling (after-all it is just a montage of all the other vehicles in the segment); no better, no worse. IMO Do we need another ‘player’ in the segment, probably not, but it’s still a free country (figuratively speaking). It’s not on my RADAR, anyway, so I’ll leave it at that. But one final thought (on styling); just putting a crease in the profile (the latest craze) does not, a make, a styling statement. Again, JMO

  18. pedro fernandez Says:

    For every Hyundai model there seems to be a need for a Kia Klone, I should think one based on the Genesis coupe should be in the works, except that chassis is getting long in the tooth, I’d be curious to see what Kia’s designer guru would do for this model?

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7, I’ve seen a few of those, and they would probably need 30 series tires to fit. I bet you really get lots of road noise.

    13, Yes, I know it’s a modern interpretation, and it looks really cool, even though the wheels and tires don’t look right. If they every built it, it would really compromise performance if they used 7.00-80×18 tires, or whatever the old Indy cars used.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Somehow, I am not ready to buy a $40K KIA any time, even if it is best-in-class, which it isn’t. Heck, I’d really rather have a Buick, and for less money.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    A bit if Indy roadster tire trivia:

    The sizes available were 760X16 on the front and 800X18 on the rear.
    The front tires measured approx, 29″ diameter, 6.5″ wide and 4″ tread width.
    The front wheels were Halibrand magnesium measuring 16″ diam. X 6″ wide.
    The rear tires measured approx. 31.5″ diameter, 7.75″ wide and 5.25″ tread width.
    The rear wheels were Halibrand magnesium measuring 18″ diam. X 7″ wide.
    The tires were bias ply construction and recommended pressures were 35 PSI.

  22. ColoradoKid Says:

    Kit – #19 – Have a look at a well sorted Caterham 7′s performance … there’s nothing even remotely ‘ compromised ‘ about it .

    In fact I’ll guesstimate that other than perhaps terminal velocity a top line Caterham will exceed every performance figure of any of those wonderful old Indy Roadsters ….

    And with that Indy 7 bodywork on its chassis …. it’d look just as good as they did as well …. along with being Street Legal ( the couple of commentators over at TTAC that complained about the Indy 7 not being street legal are obviously clueless as to what a Caterham 7 is … )

    BTW … if you ever want some serious spectating fun … show up at a good track day with a well sorted Caterham 7 well driven participating ….. and watch it make mince meat of all the GT3′s , 458′s , ZR1′s etc … its a hoot !

    As to #21 – Great bit of info ! Molto grazie …. ahhh them roadsters … I was there the last year a roadster ran at Indy .. Trenton as well … shame they went away really !


    T Bejma – An honest question . Also spotted Saturday was a C6 ZO6 circling round and round the block ( we were in the Cherry Creek shopping district ) …. obviously seeking attention ….. that sounded more like a flatulating Coffee Can exhaust Honda Civic than any ZO6 I’ve ever heard

    What in the ______ could that owner of done to make his C6 ZO6 sound THAT bad ? Any clue ? C-Tech perhaps ?

  23. HtG Says:

    Basta mamma! It’s time to make CK go a’crazy

  24. W L Simpson Says:

    # 3, been banking with credit unions for 57 years.
    Most people don’t know they are a Not For Profit
    enterprise. “We” are a union, not a business.

    –And , being an olwrench , i would like to put my Terrain body on a Tesla platform, which is a work of mechanical art.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If you had actually read my post, I said that performance WOULD BE COMPROMISED if they had used tall, skinny tires like the Indy roadsters had.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Maybe that Z06 had a quiet muffler on one side, and a noisy one on the other, so it would sound like a 4 cylinder.

  27. ColoradoKid Says:

    Kit – #25 Mea culpa ! :o (

  28. ColoradoKid Says:

    27 should of been :(

  29. ColoradoKid Says:

    HtG -23 – Ohhhhhhh baby . You’ve discovered my Very Guilty pleasure …. the Bowler EXRS … that…. is one serious Cayenne Turbo S kicking , Ferrari stomping , GT3 eating , Bimmer busting badddddd ___ed beast of an SUV .

    And errrrr …. hee hee …. don’t tell SG ….. but I’m on the list the minute Bowler gets type approval ( they’re working on it ) and starts selling here in the US ;-)

    Fact is I’ve been in communication with the company for going on two years now ……

    Yeahhhhhhhh baby …….


    26- Kit – I’ve got no clue how he got his ZO6 … or any C6 variant for that matter …. to sound THAT bad . The first time he drove by I commented to SG how horrific the car sounded … and even she agreed . Each and every lap afterwards only confirming what I heard at first was accurate . It was as if he’d replaced the sc V8 with an Ecotec I4 and a very cheap Pep Boys Special ‘performance exhaust system ……. eeeeesh . No C6 on the planet deserves that treatment !

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Having a really quiet muffler on one bank of a V8, and a noisier one on the other makes a V8 sound like a 4. Why anyone would do that? Beats me. A Z06 with stock exhaust sounds pretty nice.

  31. ColoradoKid Says:

    30 – No clue ! IMO any and all the C6 variants sound mighty fine as is !

    BTW … the car itself ‘ appeared ‘ very well maintained …. but the fact that the driver ( middle age appearing ) was so desperately seeking attention by driving around the district over and over again ( in our time there … maybe 45 minutes … most of it in one store or another … we saw him drive by us at least 8 times ) may tell at least part of the story .

  32. HtG Says:

    Maybe Z06 guy was waiting for someone to come out of Neiman’s?

  33. ColoradoKid Says:

    HtG – 32 – Not likely . The mall was over there ( 1st Ave) and we were over here ( Cherry Creek North ) when he was doing his little ‘ round the block … ” look at me ” dance,Cherry+Creek,+Denver,+CO&cid=0,0,12862611315452980021&sa=X&ei=FJCaUZPpFeeCyAGS3oDwAw&ved=0CJYBEPwSMAA

    BTW the TESLA/850i paring I spoke of in #16 were at the main entrance to the CC mall … in the valet parking area .. of course … but then again .. so were we ( we get free valet parking in the ‘ Snob Zone ‘ at the mall from M-B Denver … A nice if kind of silly little perk )

  34. pedro fernandez Says:

    Question for you guys, Crapolla needs new shoes, was thinking of Walmart, good prices and they don’t stick it to you with balancing, rotation and stuff, anyone has bought tires there?

  35. HtG Says:

    Know the dates on the tires, Pedro. There’s a number on the sidewall which indicates week and year of manufacture. 0512 would mean fifth week of 2012. Don’t buy old tires.

  36. pedro fernandez Says:

    HtG I figure Walmart has to move a lot of rubber, busy place, I’d be more scared of buying some illeaglly obtained Chinese crap from some rinky dink Cuban tire shop!

  37. HtG Says:

    yeah, you’re right. They prolly makea business out of the high volume.

    This sounds like an intention to drive the VB for another few laps around our star, Pedro. You’re going to win an award.

  38. HtG Says:

    I think I may beat you though. Unless I get rear ended by the likes of the guy that was coming at my rear view mirror today. Get off the phone, a$$wad, the cops can see you holding it to your head!

  39. pedro fernandez Says:

    I know what you mean with all this distracted drivers and the time I spent on the road, it’s only a matter of time before I get whacked and the sad part is that most likely they will declare the old lady a total loss, give a grand which of course will not replace it by any means and I’ll be screwed big time. I was told I could sue for replacement cost, but I doubt that is true!

  40. pedro fernandez Says:

    HtG how many miles on your Civic?

  41. HtG Says:

    I’ve got your equation too, Pedro. If someone hits my car, it’s worth so little to the insurance company that they’ll total it. But it’s worth so much more to me, and I don’t want a new car. About 70K miles, and it sucks because I just had a front brake and right corner hub replaced. This math of a great car against the insured value makes me wary when I drive. (somehow, though when it’s raining I like to test my skills at switching from under to over-steer. ;) )

  42. HtG Says:

    Oh, it was the same way with the Miata. Such an old car was worth little for insurance. I knew that if I made any claim, I’d lose the car. It was cheaper to get comprehensive than solely liability coverage. The result was I was careful, and went and got some driver training. A Good lesson.

  43. pedro fernandez Says:

    HtG so few miles, my goodness, it’s just a baby compared to mine, do you do a lot of short distance, stop and go driving? It used to be like that when I lived up north and most cars at that time would barely make it to 100k miles. If rust did not kill them, sludge from short crawling in very cold weather did their engine in.

  44. T. Bejma Says:

    Another Impala review…

    Wasn’t there someone on this site that was predicting this car would flop, or was that TTAC?

  45. HtG Says:

    43 think multiple cars, walking, combining errands. With the Miata there were long stretches of the Civic not moving. The Civic is a survivor

  46. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Your 70K miles is about the same as my ’89 turbo 5-speed minivan. It was my primary car for its first two years, and I took in on one trip to Washington, down to California, and back to Indiana. It has been on a few other “road trips,” but for years, it has only gotten a few hundred miles a year.

  47. ColoradoKid Says:

    A tribute to the passing of The Doors , Ray Mazarek …. as well as the song Cadillac could not have for love or massive amounts of money ;

    For the full story .. google the article on John Densmore . The short version being Cadillac offered $15 million to license the song for a new ad campaign this year …. and Mr Densmore and the Morrison estate told them exactly where they could put their money ;-)

    Showing there’s still a few of us out here that place ethics and artistic integrity over the Almighty Dollar ( no No Brow at the Morrison estate there HtG )

    Break On Through Ray …. and keep on keeping on John … unlike Bono etc …. you’re the example more should be looking up to

  48. ColoradoKid Says:

    44 – Ahem …. sales wise the Impala is …. how shall we say ….. lacking in numbers .. and one good review by a more than questionable source does not a good car make .

    I’ve seen two btw ….. so how long did it take those Chevy designers to all but copy the Toyota Camry almost line for line ?

    Gotta tell ya T ….. GM’s most definitely entering into the Hyundai/KIA school of design ethos …… e.g. Cut & Paste Xerox pastiches of their competitors cars … because their management won’t allow an original thought to even come to the surface … never mind find its way onto a finished products design

    BTW T … since I notice this one never made it on to ALD …. did ya hear about the one where Cadillac is now ‘ claiming ‘ they don’t ‘ Want ‘ to match BMW’s etc sales numbers because they don’t ‘ Want ‘ to enter into so many categories ?

    What a pant load on behalf of Cadillac’s spin doctors . Cadillac couldn’t match BMW M-B Lexus etc sales if their very lives depended on it . Which ……. in light of the big C’s lack of profit of late …. they just might

  49. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Densmore and the Morrison family didn’t want to do a deal with Cadillac. Other band members did want to. It seems that there is a lot of general legal feuding among that group.

    To me, the most memorable use of music in car ads was “See the USA in your Chevrolet” of my childhood. I guess that music was written specifically for the ads. The “Like a Rock” campaign with Bob Seger is also quite memorable. I’ve heard that it actually helped Seger’s musical career in that in introduced the music to more people, but it is, of course, a “selling out” in ways.

    The me, the ultimate case of a person “selling out” a reputation for money, was Chuck Yeager’s doing the AC Delco parts ads. I don’t think he really needed the money.

  50. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I saw a few new Impalas during my recent trip from Florida to Indiana, and I thought it looked pretty good, as good its competitors like Avalon and Taurus. If I were wanting a car in the category, I’d certainly check it out.

    CK, there aren’t many 2014 Impalas out there, because they have only been selling them a few weeks. I saw about as many new Impalas on my recent trip as current generation Tauruses, which have been around for a couple years.

  51. HtG Says:

    The only similarities I can see between the Impala and Camry arise from the class and govt regs. And no comparison inside.

  52. Chuck Grenci Says:

    First, condolences to the family of Ray Mazarek. I’ve been a “Doors” fan since high school (’60′s); still love the sound.

    On whether appropriate for Cadillac to use their songs; I’d love to see the song re-introduced to the younger crowd (and exposure to the roots of Rock and Roll). Still remember Cadillac’s (successful) use of ‘Led Zep’s “Rock and Roll” in Cadillac’s re-emergence in the ’00′s. Nothing sacrilegious in Cadillac’s offering to buy the rights (for use)either; also nothing to get upset about the refusal (sure don’t see some ethic or artistic integrity violation; it’s a song).

  53. HtG Says:

    I think I remember Bob Seger saying he agreed to let Chevy use his song because they told him it helped sales of the trucks.

    But I’m also impressed with the likes of Moby, who used an ad placement as a way to publicize his music. Better than payola, and you get to keep the blow.

  54. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I just saw an Eagle Premier. I’d about forgotten about that one. I think it was the last product Chrysler inherited from the AMC/Renault partnership.

  55. G.A.Branigan Says:

    It’s sad,the passing of Ray Manzarak.I’ve been a Doors fan since day one,and have at least 5 or 6 of their albums,(cd’s).Well now he can reunite with Jim and get something going.My home town best friend whom I served in the Army with died 3 years ago from the same type of cancer.

  56. pedro fernandez Says:

    Ray was the one who kept that band together, while Morrison was in La La land most of the time and Krieger is not the best guitarist in the world, during the concerts, Ray played keys, bass and even sang a few times when Morrison was in planet Pluto and beyond.

  57. Brett Says:



    I’ve been *very* pleased with my local Discount Tire. I expect they have them down in your area, too.