AD #1138 – Automakers Want EU-US Harmony, Where’s Your Car From? Hennessey’s VelociRaptor SUV

May 21st, 2013 at 11:56am

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Trade groups that represent the major automakers push for the U.S. and the European Union to harmonize safety and emission regulations. Did you know that the U.S. imports cars from 12 different countries, not counting Canada or Mexico? Hennessey takes one automaker’s high-performance pickup, caps the bed and turns it into an SUV. All that and more, plus John McElroy asks whether the 2014 Chevy Silverado can take on the Ford F-150.

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Greetings fellow Autoline Daily viewers. It is I, Jim Hall, of 2953 Analytics and the soon-to-debut Autoline Design Handbook filling in for John today. In the second half of the show, we got more info on the new Chevy Silverado but first let’s get to the day’s top stories.

Trade groups that represent the major automakers are pushing for the U.S. and the European Union to harmonize safety and emission regulations. According to the Detroit News, the Association of Global Automakers and the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers support a new free trade deal between the two continents but both want lawmakers to go further and harmonize regulations for things like, impact tests, lighting, braking, emissions and engine power measurements. Automakers would also like an agreement to certify a vehicle on both continents rather than separately. I’m skeptical about this in the near term. I mean if the U.S. and the EU couldn’t harmonize lighting regulations a few years back what chance is there for more extensive, cross-system harmonization? But we can always hope…

Hyundai workers in South Korea continue to refuse to work on the weekends. Last month, the automaker and union representatives agreed to a deal to boost pay on the weekends but employees rejected that offer. WardsAuto reports that the weekend strikes, which have been going on for 11 weeks in a row, has cost Hyundai $1.4 billion and nearly 80,000 vehicles in output.

I’m sure you all know that the U.S. imports cars from Japan, Germany and South Korea. But did you know that the U.S. imports vehicles from Turkey? Sure you did, that’s where Ford’s Transit Connect comes from. But how about Belgium, Portugal, or Hungary or Slovakia? I’ll bet most Americans never knew they might be driving cars from those countries. But that’s where Volkswagen, Audi, Volvo and Suzuki source some of their cars from. All told the U.S. imports cars from 12 different countries, not counting Canada or Mexico. And now you know more than most experts in the auto industry do.

By now most of you are aware of the HondaJet, Honda’s small business airplane. The company announced that its fifth iteration of the aircraft made its first flight, so it could gather data for the customer versions of the plane. The flight lasted an hour, where it saw speeds of 300 knots (that’s 345 and a quarter MPH – over 555 Km/h for the metroids,) climbed to 12,000 feet and performed both low and high speed handling maneuvers. When the final version does hit the tarmac, it will carry a hefty price tag of $4.5 million.

Many of us have come to know and love Ford’s high-performance pickup, the SVT Raptor. Well the folks over at Hennessey have taken the pickup and capped the bed and turned it into an SUV. The company calls it the VelociRaptor. The 8-seat SUV is powered by the same 6.2 liter V8 that puts out 411 horsepower or it can be upgraded to a 600 horsepower supercharged engine. Despite the Raptor’s off-road prowess, the SUV version has yet to be tested in those conditions but the company says don’t plan on taking it on the Baja or Rubicon trails because that is not why they built it. The VelociRaptor can be ordered right now through select Hennessey/Ford dealers with a starting price just under $150,000. ZOIKES!

Now, here’s a look at what’s coming up next.

A few weeks ago John got a chance to drive the new Chevy Silverado. Here’s a look at what’s new.

When I first saw pictures of the Chevy Silverado pickup truck, I thought, man, this is just a warmed over truck. But I was wrong. They say everything on this truck is brand new… from hood to hitch. And I got to tell you, after driving it, they’re right! And they’ve come up with a very capable truck.

(Video and interviews for the Chevy Silverado can only be viewed in the video version of today’s show.)

I think you could fairly criticize the Silverado pickup for maybe not going far enough with its styling, but remember the truck segment is a pretty conservative segment. You don’t have to have bleeding edge stying to do well in it. But you do have to have really good technology, really good towing power, off road capability, and the type of connectivity buyers want these days. So, you watch, I bet Chevrolet does pretty well with this thing. Knock of the F-150, probably not, but I do expect them to do a whole lot better.

The starting price for the regular cab Silverado is just under $25,000, including destination charges, which is the same base price as the 2013 model, with more premium models hitting at north of 55k.

And while we’re talking GM, you should check last week’s episode of Autoline After Hours with the head of the company’s small block engines, Jordan Lee. It’s full of great info about GM’s iconic engine. And if you can’t get enough of GM’s engines, this week John and the Autoextremist, welcome in Mike Siegrist, the Assistant Chief Engineer of the Chevy Cruze Diesel. And he’ll be bringing that engine to the studio for the crew to check out as well. So tune in this Thursday at 6PM Eastern time for the best insider discussion in the industry.

But that wraps up today’s show. And don’t forget to catch the premier segment of Autoline Design Handbook also this Thursday on Autoline Daily. Once again, I’m Jim Hall of 2953 Analytics, thanks for watching and have a great day.

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62 Comments to “AD #1138 – Automakers Want EU-US Harmony, Where’s Your Car From? Hennessey’s VelociRaptor SUV”

  1. Ron Paris Says:

    Gotta watch those approach angles John!

  2. pedro fernandez Says:

    Chevy rep says “It’s the best pickup truck out there” Really? what the heck was he supposed to say, “the second best or the third best but we keep trying” don’t understand why company reps are interviewed in this matter, you know what they’re gonna say befor they say it, so what’s the point?

  3. Bradley Says:

    GM truck…
    Fit and finish from what I can tell on a youtube video looks good. The styling is a huge deficit, and not because its “conservative”. Proportions just seem off, the hood extends too far into the corners, windshield forward seems too long, the square wheel wells look unattached to the whole flow and the lower-profile tires don’t look rugged.

    But…their Marketing Executive says its the best truck out there. So where do I sign up?

  4. ColoradoKid Says:

    FIAT’s WHQ move rumors

    1) According to Marchionne himself in both the US …

    … and foreign press its the state of New York thats Sergio’s intended destination for the move … not Michigan . Marchionne has made it clear he has no love for the State of Michigan and all its current financial woes

    Interestingly enough though … the Italian government has made it clear that if Marchionne does try and move FIAT’s WHQ out of Italy ….. they’ll have his head on a silver platter . And with the government of Italy still owning a significant % of FIAT SpA … should they call their chips in …….the end of Chrysler FIAT SpA would be immanent .

    Also the Elkann’s in the foreign press have made it clear Marchionne’s career with FIAT SpA is very much in question with these recent claims by Sergio

    But …. according to the majority of EU pundits and IMO this is simply a power play on the part of Sergio aka Stronzetto Marchionne in an attempt to bully the Italian government into rescinding their ” No Bailouts for You FIAT ” stance . Which is by all counts a major miscalculation on the part of Marchionne as the Italian government has made it clear …. they’d rather see Chrysler/FIAT SpA go under than give the company a solitary lire/euro to keep them afloat

  5. pedro fernandez Says:

    John neglected to mention reliability as an important factor in picking a truck, specially a work truck that you need to rely on everyday.

  6. ColoradoKid Says:

    #2 – +1 x 1001 … squared


    HondaJet – All bets in the aeronautic community with this one are … Destined for failure . The market is down … brand loyalty is significant … and Honda has Zero credibility when it comes to flight .

  7. HtG Says:

    4 I don’t get why Italy is straight arming FIAT. How is the maneuvering working?

    Finland! What about Finland, Jim? Are you counting it as Russia, again? They don’t like that.

  8. ColoradoKid Says:

    7 – I’m not quite understanding the question mien freund . Could you be a bit more specific ?

  9. Chuck Grenci Says:

    As with most pickup truck introductions (of late, from the traditional big three), the newest release usually offers the best truck (until the release of the next new truck upgrade); that’s just the way it is. If you liked the last Chevy (styling), I do, then this styling refresh is okay by me. If you want your pickup to look like a ‘big rig’, I don’t, well then you can pick either of the other two. And according to whomever you believe, reliability is the best in the segment for whichever brand is represented at the time (if you look at the presented data, all the manufacturers, cherry-pick their criteria for being the best and most reliable on the market). All the trucks are very good; take the one you like best.

  10. ColoradoKid Says:

    VelociRaptor indeed ! Give me the Bowler EXRS any day and I’ll be stomping that “Jurassic Park” wanna be by Hennessey into the ground both off road and on … with little or no effort I might add

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’d take the styling of the Silverado over the other two. I’m not into the “big rig” macho thing. I’d like the Chevy better, though, without those big squarish fender flare things.

    As far as pickup truck styling, my favorite semi-recent pickup, styling-wise, was the second generation Dakota standard cab. It had kind of a rounded shape, and grill similar to the one on old Chrysler 300′s worked well on it, for me. I’m not a truck person, though. It seems that a lot of truck buyers like the “macho” thing.

  12. HtG Says:

    CK, I don’t understand who the players are, and what their goals are. Hasn’t FIAT been tight with the govt over the decades?

  13. pedro fernandez Says:

    Chuck I believe when it comes to reliability, Dodge is last just like most Chryco products are last in various categories. Been like that for years. If you take an Expedition with its biggest engine, give it some testosterone and steroids, you got yourself a much cheaper VelociRaptor.

  14. HtG Says:

    9 Isn’t being “number 1″ something consumers want to identify with and pay a premium for? So a way will be found.My little nephew already finds any way he can to be first or best. Charming.

    I live by the immortal words of Jerry Garcia, ‘don’t be the best at what you do. Be the only one that does what you do.’

  15. G.A.Branigan Says:

    The new chevy half ton…..I do like ALMOST everything about it.Needing a smart phone to properly use the in-dash stuff sucks butt.My 12 nox requires a smart phone which I don’t have.Since I don’t have,or want,or need a smart phone I have to manually enter each of my contacts.AND…gm did a crappy job on that.In other words it’s a royal pain in the ass and VERY time consuming.Also,where the hell is the 8 spd auto?? Hey GM,remember the competition?

    I watched the show with Jordan Lee and it was damn good too.They put a ton of new technology into the three new truck mills….good show GM.

    I don’t understand why the f150 outsells the chevy.My last new ford was a 2005 F150 fx4.What a steaming pile of cow flop.I got rid of it after a year and a half and despite my X-plan pricing,I ain’t a goin’ back to ford,period.

    The raptor and now the velocarapter are for those men that feel the need to finally own something big,yet still remain inadequately useless.Case in point: that turd with the show fast and loud…..nuff said.

  16. pedro fernandez Says:

    you guys remember that huge Chevy truck that looked like a tractor trailer including the dual chimney like exhausts? what ever happened to that over the top monstrosity?

  17. Jim Bielecki Says:

    As for the new Chevy pickup, I was looking at the GM discussion forum, GMI, when they first released photos of the new Silverado a few months back. The disappointment from the GM fanboys on that forum was notable. Styling-wise, most were expecting something much more daring. One commented, “$4 billion dollars and the best they can do is this?”

  18. pedro fernandez Says:

    TTAC reports that Ford has screwed up once again, the Fiesta 3 cyl will NOT come with an auto manual due to its lack of power and noise levels, so only a manual guarantees poor sales. Let’s face, we’re just getting away from manuals even in sport cars.

  19. Al Says:

    Thanks John for making my mind up, well some what. This new Chevy Silverado doesn’t impress me at all. I was waiting to see what GM had to offer, but it sounds like the same old story, we did this and we did that, but when it’s all said and done, it’s the same old truck to me, and it looks like the same old truck that’s been freshen up. I just narrowed my search down to the F-150 or the Ram 1500 with the Ram getting a little edge on the F-150, I just love the Rams interior but not to impressed with gear selector knob, I don’t know maybe it’ll grow on me.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I might like it if I were in the market for a car, but I’m in a small minority these days, still liking manuals. Also, I’m not in the market for a car. I have two almost new ones that I plan to keep for a while.

  21. pedro fernandez Says:

    I would not mind a manual as a second car, like a weekend or going out vehicle, but for my daily schlep an automatic is a must. I had a client who messed up his left knee due to the constant clutch use.

  22. ColoradoKid Says:

    18 – The other thing TTAC etc etc etc is saying is that Ford will be ‘ focusing ‘ ( a certain amount of pun intended ) on its i4′s rather than the ubiquitous i3 …. hmmmnnnn… a case of ” Is They Is or Is They Aint ” a brewing over at Ford .


    HtG – 12 – Thats a great question but one I’m afraid would fill this entire site to answer … not to mention most likely bore everyone else here to tears . Suffice it to say Italy’s no longer in a financial position TO bail out FIAT – their return on past investments has been a major loss … not a gain – and much like Australia , Italy is realizing Auto Manufacturing is no longer beneficial to their overall economic well being . So the overriding opinion in Italian politics is Survive on Your Own … or be gone …. but don’t try moving away without paying back all those debts FIAT owes them . Its …. complicated …. but not really…….hope that helps without annoying all the others on site

    Consider that Inbox thing HtG

  23. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ 17,Jim: I was once a member of that forum and left,reason: The ones on there that make most of the comments on the pickups,don’t own pickups,and don’t like pickups.AND most never owned a pickup,gm or otherwise.

    Then there was the discussion about the new mid size twins,what a crock of $hit from them.Most of the negativity was from the styling of the new truck.Again,they were saying,’with that frontend NOBODY would buy it” and so on and so forth.Again,from kids that don’t buy pickups at all.

    It’s almost the same crap on,mostly underage fan boys talking stuff they actually know little about,and damn sure don’t own a truck.The especially annoying fan boys overuse the ram,guts glory crap.

  24. pedro fernandez Says:

    Ford engineers and planners must be kicing themselves in the arse for putting that problematic auto clutch thingy in the Fiesta and now probably wish they had gone the Mazda way with the traditional 4 speed auto, no issues there and still decent performance for a 4 cyl

  25. ColoradoKid Says:

    21 ……. as well as … Marchionne has signed several iron clad contracts with both the Italian Government as well as their Unions … receiving many compensations etc in return for guaranteeing FIAT SpA’s WHQ as well as a fair percentage of its manufacturing remain in Italy …

  26. G.A.Branigan Says:

    3 cyls: Subaru,decades ago came out with the Justy.It had a 3 cly that sounded worse then any diesel,was totally unreliable,and proved to be a sales flop.Oh yeah,they also mated it with a cvt as an option.Most likely the single worst subie to hit our shores,lol.

  27. ColoradoKid Says:

    26…. +1 … in spades …. jeeze what a dog that was !

  28. pedro fernandez Says:

    Ford engineers under Mullaly believe they can change all th rules and do stuff that others have not been able to do so, reliable turbos, 3 cyl, auto manuals etc

  29. GM Veteran Says:

    #4, Hey CK, time to adjust your reading glasses.

    The article you provided a link to does not say anything about Sergio preferring New York to Michigan for the headquarters of FiatChrysler. It says that he prefers a New York listing . . . as in stock market exchange. Something he has mentioned before. If the corporate headquarters moves to the States, (which I think it will), it would be in Michigan. They may have a small office in New York as many auto companies do so they can wine and dine Wall St., but the official HQ would be in Michigan (but not necessarily on the Chrysler campus in Auburn Hills). It could be in Detroit where they just opened offices for 70 staffers in a refurbished building downtown and dubbed it Chrysler House. I think they will maintain significant management, engineering and financial staff in Turin for the Fiat operations just as they will have those functions in Auburn Hills. The corporate offices will likely function as a holding company suite to house the executives with responsibilities over all corporate brands.

    CK, lets let the bloggers provide the misleading information, shall we?

  30. G.A.Branigan Says:

    I think GM has the right way of doing the smaller engine thing.Take the 5.3 V8 with afm,I had a 2011 5.3 and when it kicked into 4 cyl mode,the mpg just shot up…however,it never stayed in v4 mode for very long.As soon as you applied some right foot,it immediately went back to 8 cyl mode.Jordan Lee addressed this on AAH.The new 5.3,which is totally new btw,was designed and programmed to stay in V4 mode much longer,and with the torque numbers up there it can handle it very well from all reports.The same thing applies to the all new 4.3 V6.I like this very much,having had the experience with the older system,which I liked too.

    As for ford and their love of small engines using compound turbos,this system I do not like.I’ve never been a fan of turbos on gassers because of the heat,mostly having to use premium fuel,and the lack of a cool down mode.On gassers I’ve been partial to supercharging instead.

    I think the resale value of 50k+ mile f150′s with the ecoboost might not be as good as it could be due to the fact it will be very expensive to replace some bad turbos that are not covered under any kind of warranty.I think they will be bought by low information types and won’t be surprised to start reading some horror stories about that.Time will tell on that one.

  31. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Interesting info…

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21, Until fairly recently, I almost always had a manual in the car I drove the most, but I never lived in an area like South Florida, where you spend a lot of time driving at 5 mph. Now, even living in relatively manual-friendly areas, I like have an automatic for most of my driving, but a manual for fun. If I only had one car, I’d probably want an automatic.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The Justy didn’t even get particularly good gas mileage.

    The 3 cylinder car sold in the U.S. that actually made sense for some people, was the Sprint/Metro/Swift with the 1.0 liter triple. With the 5-speed manual, it got exceptional mpg for the time it was being sold. With the 3-speed automatic, it was both slow, and not particularly frugal with gas. Unlike most of today’s cars, this one needed the manual to work decently.

  34. ColoradoKid Says:

    Hey GM Veteran … reread the article yourself good sir … along with the multitude of others both here and abroad where Marchionne’s saying he wants a NY ADDRESS ….. not a Michigan one ! ‘ Listing ‘ in this case having nothing to do with the Stock Exchange . If that’d been Marchionne’s intent he’d of said ‘ listed on the DOW , NY Stock Exchange , NASDAQ ‘ etc… not a ” New York listing ” . The mans pazzo but he’s not an idiot . Listing in this case meaning address … not the DOW NASDAQ etc

    For Marchionne to move the whole kit and caboodle from Turin to anywhere in Michigan would be like jumping out of the frying pan directly into the financial fire . Which if you read the article would pretty much negate his main excuse for considering moving the company’s WHQ .

    As to the rest of # 29 a nice compilation of wishful thinking , pie in the sky thinking and assumptions not a one of which have so much as a modicum of grounding in fact ;-)

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Wow, that 3 cylinder Metro got even better mpg than I realized, 40 mpg COMBINED EPA rating, converted to today’s system. That’s pretty good, even for a very small, light weight car. See:

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Wherever Marchionne might want to “move” Fiat/Chrysler, he would probably want to incorporate it in Delaware, like Ford, and about every other large corporation.

  37. Brett Says:

    Both our cars are manual transmission vehicles. My wife is 70 and prefers them. I’m an old racer. I prefer them, too.

  38. ColoradoKid Says:

    36 – Is that due to lower corporate tax rates there Kit ? If so … that’d make sense …unfortunately

    Ugh . Take a trip to CH sometime especially Geneva and Zurich and have a look at the multitude of US corporations with ‘ Ghost ‘ WHQ’s there in order to avoid paying our exorbitant corporate tax structures ( we’re among the highest in the civilized world )

    ” Ghost” in this case = There’s a building … or at least a suite of offices .. with a real physical address .. a receptionist … a phone and fax # .. and an email address ….and not much else inside

  39. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I think it’s the lower tax rates, and also some benefit from being incorporated in “the first state.”

  40. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The U.S. has a “high corporate tax rate,” as is often pointed out as a Republican talking point, but there are so many loop holes that many corporations, like GE in some years, don’t pay a penny. The system is obviously broken, and needs to be simplified.

  41. G.A.Branigan Says:

    I think Delaware has strong anti-takeover laws too as well as other corporate bennies.

  42. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Yeah, everyone incorporates in Deleware, so there are probably multiple reasons. They must have won some kind of “race to the bottom” on this.

  43. ColoradoKid Says:

    40 – Actually those high corporate tax rates were a point of contention during a sit down Obama had with Steve Jobs as well . Obama asking Mr Jobs to bring more jobs to the US with Mr Jobs responding … ” bring those corporate taxes in line with the rest of the Western World and I’d be glad to ” . BTW its just as big a ‘ sticking ‘ point with the majority of the Democrats also … With the truly the ironic thing being most of the corporate tax rate hikes were put in place by the very Republicans that complain about them the loudest !

    And yeah …. you bet … the entire bloody system is a mess from the ground up . The fact that I at six figure per annum income pay a higher percentage of taxes than the likes of Romney etc … who makes well over $1 million a month is ridiculous .

    As to 41 & 42 … How nice … so Delaware comes out smelling like a rose in all this while everyone else ends up fertilizer

  44. stas peterson Says:

    We have been long advocating a Program of negotiations to be undertaken by the Secretary of State to secure harmonization of auto regulations.

    It was even a minor issue in the last election.

    The Cold War is long over; and the it would seem the State Department should be bringing such issues to a head.

    Unfortunately the native brainpower of the past and present Secretaries of State approaches that of a chunk of solid Granite. So such an idea as negotiating Trade enhancing Treaties never dawned on them. Such issues only exist in the real world; and not in the elegant parlors where wine and canapes are served amongst the striped pants set.

    Still harmonization can only be mandated at the highest level, or the bureaucrats will always find a reason to not do so. As Mr. Hall ruefully notes in the case of auto lighting.

  45. Kate McLeod Says:

    I drove the Silverado at Test Day last week. I was totally impressed by its handling and interior. Finally, a place for a woman’s purse!

  46. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It would be great if the US and EU regs were the same. Then, we’d be able to buy more of those high mpg diesel hatches and wagons. Euro reg writers want pedestrian safety, better lights, and slightly dirtier diesels. American reg writers want more crash worthiness, and more nannification of cars. How can they ever agree.

  47. HtG Says:

    In my own real life kingdom, errm pisant project, the question of regulatory harmonization may be a decisive sticky point. It’s certainly an OMB type sit down. Yes, multi-nationals. No, I don’t expect to succeed(as many get a smug kick out of telling me)…but back to cars.

    When elephants dance, the chickens must be careful.

  48. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ 45,Ms McLeod: Congrats on the Silverado test drive.As for your purse,didn’t the other trucks have a big enough bed? ;}> I know…I’m gonna go to hell for that one,lol.

  49. Kit Gerhart Says:

    48, But the truck bed is in the weather, and not secure. That is why I prefer vans and wagons, even though I don’t carry a purse.

  50. XA351GT Says:

    Instead of this VelociCRAPtor SUV, why didn’t Hennessey do what Ford should have done a while ago. Take the Raptor styling attach it to a Regular cab ONLY short box Drop in the GT 500 engine and give a another strike of Lightning? I have to agree with Mr Hall, who the hell needs or wants a 400+ HP SUV that seats 8?

  51. XA351GT Says:

    Oh and I forgot at 150K for the lo-per version.

  52. pedro fernandez Says:

    From yesterday #57 No Brett no Discount Tires here, must buy online and then the shipping costs plus installation and balancing cancels out any savings. Today I was crawling along next to a Fiat Abarth, stop, move 10 ft, stop again, the guy revving it up and going nowhere fast, I could not help it so I shouted: “Having fun?” no response. #48 you could always add a top for the bed?

  53. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If you don’t need a pickup, but buy one and add a topper, you are generally buying a thirstier, worse riding vehicle, and you can’t access the cargo from the passenger cabin. If you sometimes need the unlimited height for tall cargo, though, a wagon or van won’t do that.

  54. Jim Hall Says:

    HtG, you’re right, I forgot Valmet. Not that they’re building a lot what with Fisker’s current, er, status.

  55. Kit Gerhart Says:

    These $100K+ Ford and Land Rover SUV’s make the 470hp Grand Cherokee SRT8 seem quite a bargain, at “only” $64K.

  56. Chuck Grenci Says:

    And you can get an Escalade with 403 hp; no need for the extra cost (and drama).

  57. ColoradoKid Says:

    55 … except …. errrrr ….. along with the Range Rover Sport that SRT8 will be spending more time in the shop than it does on the road ;-)

    Nope … if I’m going to spend my $100K plus on a very guilty , self indulgent , wretched excess pleasure ….. there’s no doubt in my mind it’d be on a Bowler EXRS once they’ve made it our way …

    As for an Escalade ? I wouldn’t even buy one as a dog house for my neighbors Golden Retriever …. I mean really …. if BMW owners have earned the moniker @&$hat ( and most have .. thinking of the one Saturday that cut me and three other people off ) ‘ most ‘ Escalade owners have escalated the meaning of the phrase some twenty times

  58. ColoradoKid Says:

    50 – Me likes :o

  59. Kit Gerhart Says:

    People here seem to greatly exagerate the unreliability of Jeeps, and other Chrysler products. A number of friends have them, with few problems.

    No, CK, an SRT GC would not be likely to spend more time in the shop than on the road. These limited production jobs, like that Bowler. It might spend a lot of time in the shop.

  60. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Yeah, anyone who wants an Escalade should buy a Tahoe or Yukon. You save a bunch of money, and avoid the overdone “bling.”

  61. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Semantics maybe, but you can’t get the 403 hp in the Chevy (granted the Escalade is only a seven passenger) but the again: semantics.

  62. pedro fernandez Says:

    Bad news for those who, like me, feel Chinese made stuff sucks, I was talking to the owner of a small auto parts store and he told me most of the parts coming in now, regardless of brand, is Chinese made. He travels there yearly for trade shows, even the German brands are included.