AD #1500 – Infotainment Woes Age Sensitive, Full Monty of Scion’s iM, New Oil Viscosity Like Water

November 13th, 2014 at 11:51am

Runtime: 8:08

- Takata Refutes Hiding Data
- Mary Barra Has Honor Yanked Away
- Automakers Band Together to Fight Hackers
- Infotainment Woes Age Sensitive
- Scion iM a Verso in Disguise?
- New Oil Only Slightly Thicker Than Water

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40 Comments to “AD #1500 – Infotainment Woes Age Sensitive, Full Monty of Scion’s iM, New Oil Viscosity Like Water”

  1. WineGeek Says:


    Do you have any information on when the Apple Play interface will be available in cars? I know that Mercedes is offering it now in the GLA but I’m not sure they are actually delivering it. I’d like to be able to use my phone as an integrated part of the sound system and not have to buy a GPS from the manufacture.

  2. Ron Paris Says:

    CR’s findings that younger buyers have more complaints about auto infotainment systems than older ones comes as no surprise to me. At 66, I find the system in my 2013 Mazda CX-5 adequate for basic telecommunications and music streaming purposes, but certainly not outstanding. But on the CX-5 internet forum I frequent, younger owners are up in arms over the system’s many glitches when pressed to perform more complex operations. There’s even a class action suit pending against Mazda over these issues.

  3. Mike Says:

    It just so happens that I was researching the comparative performance of motor oils this morning. Quantitatively, how much better are the synthetics? How much more is it worth? What is the performance improvement in semi-synthetics compared conventional or full synthetics? What would the genuine positive benefit of 0W-8 really be? The internet is full of “My friend Sam, says it is way more better” type answers. Hey Sean; Got any genuine data?

  4. SoulRed6 Says:

    Speaking of oil changes, you should also address this issue. My 2015 Mazda6 takes 0-20W and at the dealer a regular oil change & tire rotation is $59.95, for the newer car that uses the Synthetic 0-20W, $82.95 for a oil change and tire rotation. saving gas and paying more for oil!

  5. Sean McElroy Says:

    #3 – I don’t have any genuine data and I’m not really sure where it could be found. My answers would be opinion, but I can give them if you want.

  6. RumNCoke Says:

    Hey John – Congratulations on your 1500th A.D. episode. And every one of them full of interesting and informative stuff! Well done to you and to your whole crew.

    P.S. I hope that nice lady walking her dog behind Sean at the Autoline Garage eventually gets where she’s going.;)

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I think, even 25 years ago, that 5w20 was being “normal” for oil. I think they said to use it in my 2.5 turbo 1989 Caravan, though I use 10w30 in it.

    My Prius uses 0w20 synthetic, no surprise, but I was a little surprised when I saw stickers on regular 4 cylinder Camrys a few years ago saying that they also use 0w20.

  8. pedro fernandez Says:

    Oh loverly! the oil as thin as water, more places for it to escape older motors, good times ahead for those who sell and install new engines.

  9. pedro fernandez Says:

    My son’s 08 Xb with just 25k miles called for 0w15 and one time I noticed a humming sound coming from the engine, only 3 weeks after a dealer oil change, , I checked and it was low 2 quarts, my mechanic told me to forget about the light stuff and go for the good ole 10W30

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    4, Regarding difficulty in finding “genuine data,” a while back, I spent a couple hours trying to find genuine data on how much longer engines might last if you change oil every 3000 miles, rather than the much longer intervals all of the car companies now suggest. I found nothing, not even a tidbit of real information on that topic, though I’m sure Toyota, GM, Ford, VW, and probably the smaller car companies have run thousands of hours of dyno tests to find out.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8, I suspect they under-filled it by 2 quarts, but he should certainly check i regularly for a while. Hopefully, no real damage was done to the engine.

  12. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Years ago when I started using full synth in my trucks I went with the ’5k mile’ rule.No damage,no problems,no shit….

  13. Phil Says:

    Hi John,

    Congrats on your 1500th episode. I’ve been meaning to mention that I noticed you brought back the intro theme and graphics. You read my comment on the same subject many years ago when you removed the opening – great to see it back.

    Say, didn’t Magna also attempt to buy Chrysler back when it was bankrupt, but was edged out by Fiat?

    Phil in Burlington, Ontario

  14. pedro fernandez Says:

    Kit, no they did not under-filled the engine, I checked it right after and it was fine, only 3 weeks later it was down 2 quarts, never used it again, I spoke to a feller who has one like mine and he told me he uses straight 30 weight and that has helped with the oil consumption issue, but I fear engine damage at start ups.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12, That doesn’t sound too good. I go the recommended 10K miles with my Prius, and it is still at the full mark at 10K. It’s a different engine family, but still. Does his xB leak, or did the oul just “disappear”?

  16. HtG Says:

    Hey John, on AAH tonight how about asking your Magna guest what he thinks is an appropriate level of profit for suppliers to the OEMs. He’ll know who you’re talking about.


    At what point are we getting dimishing returns in efficiency in the auto sector? What is it, only a fifth of total consumption? I’m not advocating a gas tax rise, but there’s some low hanging fruit there if you ask me.

  17. HtG Says:

    3D printing

    NASA says they’ve successfully tested printed copper alloy parts in a rocket engine. They can take the heat and stress.

    “successfully completed the first hot-fire tests on an advanced rocket engine thrust chamber assembly using copper alloy materials. This was the first time a series of rigorous tests confirmed that 3-D manufactured copper parts could withstand the heat and pressure required of combustion engines used in space launches.”

  18. pedro fernandez Says:

    Kit, the xB is long gone, the Fernandez family has had bad luck with Japanese motors, my 86 Camry leaked, ditto for the Crapola and the Xb, only one that did not was the 1995 Prizm (Corolla) with the old iron block 1.8 engine, we should have never traded away that car.

  19. Jonathan Says:

    Congrats on show 1500! Autoline rocks!

    I’ll use 0w30 when corvette engineers warranty it’s use for the track.

    Can’t wait for tonight’s after hours show

  20. T. Bejma Says:

    From yesterday’s show…

    Chuck Grenci Says:
    November 13th, 2014 at 9:29 am

    “T.B., any ‘nuggets’ you can share about the Colorado/Canyon; I’ve “build my own” on the Chevy website (though not in the market now/yet). My MSRP was just around 33/34k (the way I would want mine). Nice truck, and it still may be my replacement…”

    I can let you know that all current versions of the truck are now in regular production (the diesel is still slated for later next year) and the dealers are saying they can’t get enough of them. 99% of the content of the reviews I have seen are positive, with only a couple of minor gripes. I, personally have put about 2,500 miles on the vehicle and plan on getting one as soon as the diesel is out (I just want the diesel for better towing mileage and also because I like to “tweak” my vehicles and turbo diesels have lots of flexibility). It is comfortable, quiet, easy to maneuver and get’s great highway mileage. When you compare it side by side to the competition, it is light years ahead.

    Anything else? Just let me know.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If I wanted a truck, I could get what I wanted for about $24K, the non-crew cab, 4 cyl manual W/T with the package you need to get cruise control, and no other options. It’s too bad you can’t get the six with a manual, but I understand. It would sell in very small numbers.

  22. Wayne Says:

    I have been using a 0W-20 Motor oil(AMSOIL SIGNATURE SERIES) in a 2003 Honda accord with the 4 cylinder engine, changing oil once a year. Car now has over 100,000 miles and runs perfectly with no oil usage in between oil changes. My belief is if you use a “high quality” 100 % synthetic oil, your engine will last a very long time.

  23. cwolf Says:

    I wonder how long the oil film lasts on the cylider walls upon start-up using the nil- viscosity oils? Regardless, when the engine nears 100K miles, I would definitly up the oil to a 5w.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21, Plain old 5w20 non-synthetic seems to do pretty well, based on my friend’s cheap Sunfire with 230K miles. He changes it at 5-6K miles.

  25. pedro fernandez Says:

    What is it about these Toyota engines that consume oil like it’s water? C-Tech any ideas?

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    24, Am I lucky with my Prius? It is the same basic engine as the current Corolla, but with different tuning.

  27. motorman Says:

    Back in the day i remember NASCAR restricter plate engines running 0 W-7 in qualifing runs at Daytona

  28. pedro fernandez Says:

    you have the 1.8? I thought that Prius came with the Yaris 1.5 motor!

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27, The gen 2 Prius, 2004-2009 had the 1.5, as does the current Prius C. The 2010-current regular Prius and the Prius V have the 1.8.

  30. pedro fernandez Says:

    how many miles and no oil consumption?

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Almost 10,000 with not enough loss to see on the dipstick. The car has about 36K miles.

  32. XA351GT Says:

    Well John I hope your happy. Your non stop coverage of GM’s ignition switch fiasco has cost Mary Barra a award. It’s ALL your fault. Hahahahahahahahaha That’s a joke ,son.

    Honestly though they are blaming her for something that happened before her watch.

    The iM actually doesn’t look too bad. Maybe Toyota has finally come around that just because your cars are reliable they don’t have to be vanilla styled.

  33. HtG Says:

    AAH hacking comment

    John, another way hacking works is that once the geniuses write the malicious code, they sell it as a package to the less, shall we say, cranially endowed. Those maggots then have the power to hack.

    Also, using USB sticks is a very old trick to get unsuspecting people to hack their own companies’ systems. (Stories of sticks being left in parking lots in silicon valley)

  34. C-Tech Says:

    @ #24 Pedro from what I understand from the regular Toyota techs, the 80′s engines had some problems with the valve seals prematurely wearing down and the oil rings on the pistons. If you had a puff of blue smoke at start up it was the seals. If you had constant blue smoke it was the rings. I hope you saw my response about the alignments yesterday.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18, I just found that GM says to use 15W50 Mobil 1 in Corvettes for track use. I wasn’t aware of that. Maybe “oil as thin as water” really isn’t such a good thing for engine life, even in normal use.

  36. Brett Says:

    There is a significant security flaw in all USB products and it it not fixable. Google it.

  37. MJB Says:

    #12. You can go even further than 5k on full synth. I typically go 7k between changes on my Lexus LS430 (as well as my 22 year old SC400) without issue.

    Heck, if you switch to Amsoil, you can go 10k to 25k (depending on the formula you go with) and just swap the filter out half-way through the cycle. That full-synth oil is used in package delivery fleet vehicles and city buses.

  38. jmann Says:

    #37 – FWIW: There is no such thing as “full synthetic.” Advertising – Mobil in particular. All oils are petroleum base with additive packages according to the application.

  39. donfromnaples Says:

    Royal Purple, AmsOil, and Red-Line are all true synthetic Group IV oils. All others are dino based, Groups I, II, and III

  40. marshy Says:

    Re cold oil temps and visc – last January I was in northern ON with a rental Passat. At -35C the oil low pressure warning would nag me for the first 3-4 minutes of engine operation if the block heater hadn’t been plugged in.

    1. Glad it was a rental.
    2. The rental company in North Bay should change the oil and put snow tires on their cars…