AD #1508 – Honda May Take Big Image Hit, Are You My Mother? Autonomy Could Drive Economy

November 25th, 2014 at 11:50am

Runtime: 7:04

- Honda Facing Major Fines
- Global Sales Nearing 100 Million
- Audi’s Giant Tablet
- No Driving Lessons Required in China
- Lexus’ Furious Spindle Grille
- Autonomy Could Drive Economy

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36 Comments to “AD #1508 – Honda May Take Big Image Hit, Are You My Mother? Autonomy Could Drive Economy”

  1. Mike Says:

    I’m not sure if the Plymouth fury had the first spindle grill or not, but I would point out that the front end design for that 1961 Plymouth was very short lived. IMHO; ugly then and not any prettier now.

  2. Jim MacMurdo Says:

    I agree with Mike, the spindle grill is not one of my favorites. Wish someone would pull the designers at Toyota/Lexus aside and tell them enough with this look. And frankly, having looked at both the Avalon and the ES 350 interiors, I think Lexus needs to take some lessons from their less-expensive brethren in that regard as well.

  3. Craig Shoemaker Says:

    When you talk about autonomous vehicles that will drive the future economy I have to ask myself will people want to use the vehicle in autonomous mode all of the time? Will the guy who buys a Ferrari, Vette or some other high end sports car want to let a computer drive for them. I know I would not. I work as an automotive technician and I see vehicles come in with automatic climate control units, 99 times out of a 100 the unit is switched to manual mode. I can see the benefits of autonomous vehicles, but not sure I would use it most or all of the time.

  4. Gerald Says:

    Plymouth; but both need to be snuck up on…ugly

  5. Stephen Kozak Says:

    Great Show today, I think that Lexus reinvented the Grill originally shown on the ’50s Plymouth, but the update sure is much easier on the eyes than the original!

  6. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Lexus/Plymouth spindle grill: Ugly then,and still ugly now.

    AV’s,the art of driving is fading fast due in part to all the electronic distractions built into new vehicles,so maybe fully autonomous vehicles will be a good thing…

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I was always a Mopar fan as a kid, but when the ’61′s came out, I thought them quite strange looking, including the ’61 Plymouth in the photo. That was the same car that had the “magnetic flashlight” tail lights. I was 15 at the time.

  8. RumNCoke Says:

    See? See how far ahead of his time was Virgil Exner? What was really weird in 1960 is now hip and cool. Maybe Lexus will poach the horse collar from the Edsel next! ;)

  9. Moe Says:

    I did not like spindle grills back in the day and I still don’t today. As far as AV’s they are one more step towards driving an appliance. Will car makers name their vehicles LG, Maytag, or Samsung or will they use veteran names such as Kelvinator, Philco, or Norge?

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7, The car in the photo is a 1961. The ’61 big Dodges were really strange looking.

    The ’60 Plymouth was more typical of an Exner design, and, to me, the ’60 big Dodges looked good when new, and look good now.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Even if you don’t like “spindle” grills, the ’61 Plymouth looked good compared to the Dodge, at least to me.

    The Dart, as in this article, was a big car in 1960 and ’61.

  12. David Sprowl Says:

    I see AVs becoming more mainstream. I see more companies that will “sell” automotive transportation time. It will be far cheaper than ownership.

  13. HtG Says:

    So cars won’t crash or speed, and marijuana will be legal. How’s Smokey going to keep busy? Catching tax dodging cigarrette runners?

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The lawyers will be busy when the computers crash, causing the cars to crash.

  15. HtG Says:

    13 Yes, but when lawyers move money from one pocket to another that’s the economy humming.

    More AV please

    Yesterday the leaf laden roads around here were slick as snot after a rain storm and I found myself in a four wheel drift around a bend I take daily. Fun for me, of course, but I spoke to a guy who came upon an accident where someone lost it around a bend, went through a guard rail, and into a marsh. An AV car will likely be able to sense grip better than people, and slow it all down.

  16. Brett Says:

    It is nice to see people starting to consider the broader implications on society and the economy regarding AVs. It is what I’ve been trying to say for months now. I watched the microprocessor appear, then mature and transform our society in seemingly miraculous and unanticipated ways.

    The AV will do it again.

  17. HtG Says:

    Brett, as I read MS’ release, “Morgan Stanley Research analysts held brainstorming sessions with top executives in the auto industry to help develop a specific vision of what the industry’s future might look like. In doing so, they broke new ground on the topic by focusing on areas that have not yet been addressed.”

    Oh yeah? Like what new ground? Sorry, John, that some risible dook right there. Nothing else in the release wasn’t thin cold soup. I’d like to know what great new ideas the bankers presented to the car guys. What new business model? Some new financial arbitrage? Why do you publish this rubbish, AAH?

  18. Ziggy Says:

    Maybe I’m just getting old but I look forward to AVs as long as they keep all the parts needed to drive manually in case the system goes belly up. I know I love my cruise control and would love not having to manually drive in rush hour stop and go traffic anymore, my blood pressure would also benefit if the AV systems took the wheel out of the hands of all the rude and inconsiderate drivers out there.

  19. steve ashley Says:

    The Plymouth/Lexus grill debate is a no brainer!It’s Plymouth by a much prettier face. Just another example of how good the Japanese are at copying others’ ideas. The Honda Ridgeline vs the 1960 Ford unibody trucks comes to mind.
    Steve Ashley

  20. XA351GT Says:

    Am I the only one who is irritated by all the breaks and commercial on this blog? 4 interuptions in a 7 minute long segment. I have followed this from the 1st episode ,but all these damn breaks are a PITA.

  21. XA351GT Says:

    So Lexus “steals” the Fury grille. Eh, not a big deal BMW has used a modified Edsel grille for years.

  22. XA351GT Says:

    China waiving driver training. Sounds like they are attempting a new way of population control. If 100-200K are dying on the roads with “trained” drivers that will probably double.

  23. C-Tech Says:

    John and staff: Please do not start Autoline with a picture like that. My computer automatically rebooted because it thought it was the ugly stick virus.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20, I just read the transcript, except sometimes when it’s noted that part of the show is only on the video.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23, Did you check the link in #11? That ,61 Plymouth looks pretty good compared to its Dodge counterpart, IMHO.

  26. Warren G. Webb Says:

    The grille you show is a 1961 Plymouth, not a 60 but I still say both the Lexus & the Plymouth are ugly. Seems too that that year of Chrysler Corporation cars styling cost Virgil Exner (also know as Virgil Excess)his job.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26, It seemed that, in ’61, he just wanted to get away from the tall fins, but the results were not good, at least on Plymouth and Dodge. The Chryslers were ok, as I remember. 1960 was the last year for DeSoto.

  28. HtG Says:

    I rather think the Plymouth Fury was channeling the housekeeper from the Jetsons.

    But then dominatrixes are as dominatrixes do. Keep it up Toyota.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27, Correction. There were a few ’61 DeSotos which were essentially low end Chryslers, with a two tier grill.

  30. C-Tech Says:

    Kit, now I can’t un-see that Dodge! I have to go look at 67 GTO for an hour for cleansing.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    To me, the low for GM in that era was 1958. The top-of-the-line Buick Limited had about 500 pounds of chrome plated die cast do-dads on the side, and the car just looked bulbous. The ’58 Olds wasn’t much better. Yeah, the ’67 GTO and other GM intermediates of that time looked pretty good.

  32. G.A.Branigan Says:

    I did,and still do,love the 58 Impala.A very classy ride.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I like ’58 Chevys ok. To me, they were the best looking GM products of that year.

  34. C-Tech Says:

    The 59 Impala was uglier than an Aztek

  35. Brett Says:

    Funny, but the 1959 Chevy couple/convertible is the only one that this “Ford guy” and his Chevy-loving wife agree that we’d like to own. :)

  36. Enn Norak Says:

    The spindle grille takes the cake in the gimmicky styling contest. Too ugly for words and a deal breaker for me.