AD #1543 – Big Money Invests In Autos, January Sales to Thaw, New Raptor Will Have More Bite

January 27th, 2015 at 11:55am

Runtime: 8:21

- Big Money Big Into the Auto Industry
- TI Automotive Acquired by Investment Firm
- January Car Sales Expected to Thaw
- Toyota to Help Produce Mini Mini
- New F-150 Raptor Will Pack More Punch
- You Said It!

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35 Comments to “AD #1543 – Big Money Invests In Autos, January Sales to Thaw, New Raptor Will Have More Bite”

  1. Bradley Says:

    “if you take this autonomous concept 20 to 30 years out, I can see the day coming when autonomous cars will not need airbags or seatbelts because it will be almost impossible to make them crash.”

    This will get you some flack, but you are 100% correct. Our concept for safety will definitely change.

  2. Bradley Says:

    Is Toyota simply that good of a manufacturing machine that car companies can create business cases to deal with the “competition”?

    What is Toyota getting out of the deal?

    NUMMI gave GM quality manufacturing and an opportunity to learn. Toyota got their foot in the door with USA manufacturing, etc.

  3. Chuck Grenci Says:

    “Pull out their hanky and run crying home to mommy.” I know this was a “tongue in cheek answer, but I have to agree with Richard, a useful answer was not provided. Ford has repetitively challenged the Corvette (and the Corvette has taken on just about all the competition especially from Ford. Ford won sales with the intro of the T-Bird (but then faded), again challenged with the Cobra (stellar but didn’t last either), Pantera (’nuff’ said), intro of the Ford GT street version (not a real or lasting challenge), and so the list goes on. Not saying all those Corvette’s hit the ball out of the park, just saying that perhaps response #1 was a little condescending.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3 I agree completely about the response “Pull out their hanky and run crying home to mommy,” and the lack of a useful response in the poll.

    The Corvette is a semi-affordable sports car that provides near super car performance at less than 1/4 the cost of the Italian exotics, or the upcoming Ford GT. If GM wants to build a $200K+ car to compete with the Ford GT, that’s ok, if they don’t waste too much money on it, but it would not be a Corvette.

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If BMW and Toyota want to build a real Mini, they should take a look at one like this:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/pauljudge/15390227368/in/pool-1092905@N21

  6. IM Buell Says:

    I’m with you Chuck. To be up front, I’m a Ford Fan, but I felt that with the way the question was phrased the options were incomplete. The problem is the Corvette is playing in a different consumer space. The Corvette is shooting to be a “Best Value” Super-car challenger, the Ford GT is a Super-car shooting for “best value” hyper-car. They aren’t really competitors in my mind. IF a mid-engine Corvette comes out I would be surprised if they would aim for the same target audience.

  7. HtG Says:

    Crying

    Same here. GM does not give any F@&$

  8. Buzzerd Says:

    Re Ford Raptor-with so much money to be made in the specialty vehicle market, especially trucks, why has GM been M.I.A. for so long.

  9. Don B. Says:

    Lets see Toyota has teamed with Subaru, now with BMW. Who’s next Isuzu or Mitsubishi. Is Toyota trying to rebuild Scion with other car companies cars?

  10. G.A.Branigan Says:

    I agree with Chuck,but it was more then a little condescending imho.

    Ford Raptor: Over compensating for a lack of……

  11. J Hundertmark Says:

    CVT – Comment that CVT “allows engine to run in narrow RPM band also applies to new automatics with 8, 9, or 10 speeds. Will probably evolve down the road to value (combination of cost & performance which includes fuel economy)

  12. J Hundertmark Says:

    Sales margins – Perhaps in a good capitalistic economy, a supplier’s long term margin should not be at the discretion of the OEM. Since the OEM’s should be purchasing on value, if one supplier can make a margin of 30% due to their efficiency vs their competition, what is wrong with that?

  13. J Hundertmark Says:

    3,4,6, & 7 – Agree with statements regarding Corvette being a somewhat affordable (& good value) sports car. The mid-engine Corvette has been in & out of the model plan since at least the 1971 model year. Believe the Corvette needs to remain in its current & long term market position.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I suspect the Raptor is more of a “halo vehicle” than a money maker, given the low volume. If Chevy made something like that, it would just split the market for factory made off-road racing pickups even more.

  15. gary susie Says:

    I don’t see the GT as competition for the corvette. The cost of a ford is $400 thousand versus what the corvette costs there won’t be that many fords around.

  16. Bradley Says:

    #9

    Remember Toyota owns ~16.5% of Subaru. So joint cars between them is a little different.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 Also, if the upcoming Ford GT is like the last Ford GT, it will be produced for about two years. That’s a lot different from the Corvette, which has been produced continuously for more than 60 years.

    Viper is closer to a Corvette competitor, though it is pricier, and not nearly as practical as a daily driver.

  18. G.A.Branigan Says:

    The ford gt is a beautiful/powerful limited production investment car,as evidenced by this past Barrett-Jackson auction.It in no way poses any kind of threat,or competition to the vette,or vice versa.It would be like comparing a mustang gt to La Ferrari.

  19. HtG Says:

    When GM shows its own mid-engine Vette/Caddy halo super car, then let’s see who’s eyes well up.

  20. Drew Says:

    Kit, I vaguely remember Corvette skipped a model year. I believe it was 1983.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    They skipped the ’83 model year, but the ’84 model year was a very long one. There was more “down time” than normal during the ’82-’84 change over, but not a lot, considering the huge difference between the C3 and C4 cars.

  22. Bradley Says:

    IMO: Pony Car wars and this attempt to create Corvette vs Ford GT war is silly.

    Maybe if I was a Baby-Boomer, born into a cold war and told there is Communists, then us. I might think more readily in terms of us vs them or Ford vs Chevy.

    Instead my enthusiasm goes to the GTR and upcoming NSX. I don’t compare the two as they are each great in their own ways.

    The Ford GT is great in its own way. The Corvette is the best (IMO) it has ever been, but still nothing that attracts my attention.

  23. cwolf Says:

    I see Buick plans to compete with the Fiat 500. Also, the Cheby Trax is to compete with the larger 500 and the Liberty, which it is buit upon. Sounds like GM really has a bug up their butt for both brands. Really! Who would want any car as small as the 500 or Spark size car when the next size up dominates for almost the same price?

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23 Some of us just like small cars. I certainly could have gotten “more car” for the price of my MINI, even though my MINI is a near zero option car.

    As far as the small CUV thingies, I suspect people buy them because they are easy to park, and easy to maneuver in tight places, like the row garages at my condo. It takes two hitches to get my Corvette straight enough to go into the garage, but with the MINI, I just drive in.

    I wouldn’t buy one of those mini CUV’s, but I don’t buy any CUV’s. The type of space I need is a long floor, without much height. A Prius liftback has that.

  25. HtG Says:

    24 when I was a tot and my parents wanted me to go to sleep, they’d take me for a ride in their mini cooper. That’s my excuse, Kit. (not kidding)

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    …and that was a REAL mini cooper.

  27. pedro fernandez Says:

    I have always liked small cars as well, I had 2 Beetles back when gas prices was not an issue at all, it was all about getting around in a small, crowded city with all the inherent problems associated with them. I used to like a larger vehicle for long trips, but now with all the improvements in even the smaller ones, that is not an issue any longer.

  28. aliisdad Says:

    I just wanted to add my “two cents” to say that you guys are right that the Corvette is not a Ford GT and vice versa… While I am not a fan of domestic cars in general (mostly due to quality issues), I have a real appreciation for the Corvette and for what it provides for the price… It is a real value for all it provides!!
    My only criticism is that the Corvettes have been over styled for some of their models, especially the new one!!! Although the new one looks to be a great car, I liked the simpler styling of the last two series much more…
    If I were in the market for a Corvette, I think I would choose a pristine used one from those last years instead..
    It seems to my taste that too many of GM’s vehicles are over styled with toooooo many styling gimmics, and I imagine that will hurt them when they try to compete with the European makers…

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28 I’ve read the they wanted to attract more younger people to Corvettes with the C7. I’ve heard that half of the buyers of new Corvettes in recent years have been over 65, or something like that. Maybe they went overboard, and made the C7 appeal too much to 12 year olds, but they are selling well.

  30. pedro fernandez Says:

    GM should take a styling lesson from Porsche and apply it to the ‘Vette, those Porsche classic lines still look fresh today even after all these years with minimum changes.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Can some of you Ford fans answer a question for me? Do potential buyers of the GT and Raptor want a high boost turbo V6 in those vehicles, or is Ford using that engine just to demonstrate that they can get a lot of power from a turbo V6?

  32. XA351GT Says:

    The original 2 seat T bird slaughtered the Vette each year they directly competed . Ford got greedy and made the T-Bird a 4 seater. Since then Ford really hasn’t had a serious 2 seater.They had the EXP escort which was a 2 seat econo car . Fun ,but no where close to a sports car. Then they had the new 2 seat Bird which was a luxury 2 seater and not a performance sports car. Then they had the GT which was a exotic supercar. The new GT will be the same. the only true competitor is the Viper and it is on life support.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    They are lowering the price of Viper by $15K, to $85K MSRP. It would compete with a “loaded” Corvette. Still, it is probably on life support. I guess it’s no longer outrageous enough to find a niche.

  34. pedro fernandez Says:

    Those Hellcats will most likely push the Viper over the cliff for good.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The Viper V10 has less power than the Hellcat engine, but the Viper is much lighter than the Hellcat equipped cars. The pushrod V10 is a trademark of the Viper, but the supercharged V8 get the hype. Amazingly, the Viper has been around more than 20 years, but it seems unlikely to be around much longer.