AD #1607 – BMW Slashes i3 Tooling Costs, Piech Calls It Quits, Uber vs. Leasing Cost Comparison

April 27th, 2015 at 11:57am

Runtime: 6:51

- Volkswagen’s Piech Calls It Quits
- Uber vs. Leasing Cost Comparison
- GM’s Mary Barra Makes Millions
- UAW-Ford Art Collaborative
- BMW Slashes i3 Tooling Costs

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35 Comments to “AD #1607 – BMW Slashes i3 Tooling Costs, Piech Calls It Quits, Uber vs. Leasing Cost Comparison”

  1. Ron Paris Says:

    So if leasing is cheaper than using UBER, how does all that compare to purchasing the vehicle?

  2. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Ferinand Putz got what he deserved,hope the door hit him in the butt on his way out.What a high paid maroon…

  3. Lex Says:

    What the UBER Car versus Leasing comparison did not take into consideration are the Monthly parking fee in NYC for the leased vehicle. I think the lowest are $200.00 per month plus parking at your destinations around town during the day. John you saw how much hourly parking fee are around NYC when you were at the NY Auto Show earlier this month. If you get towed in NYC by the Traffic Enforcement Department you will pay in excess of $300.00 per incident to get your car back from impound.

  4. Mark Rozanski Says:

    Your comparison of uber vs leasing leaves out the cost of parking the vehicle. Many city dwellers have to pay for parking. The cost of parking at your home and destination should be included. I’m guessing city dwellers are the biggest users of uber and parking costs and hassles can be a big factor in the decision.

  5. Chuck Grenci Says:

    I’m thinking Piech, at his age, just said to himself: ‘I don’t need the aggravation, I’m out of here’. But obviously he did a pretty good job while there; the company is sound, not perfect, but sound.

  6. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Chuck: Didn’t Wintercorn have anything to do with VW’s growth?

  7. pedro fernandez Says:

    He just gave up after his crack team of superior German engineers could not manage to make a clunk-free steering column adjustment mechanism. As Hyundai was able to do.

  8. Chuck Grenci Says:

    @ G.A.

    Sure he did (Wintercorn had a big role in growth), but I’m not looking at the last couple of weeks; I’m talking about Piech’s career at VW. I don’t support Piech’s last tirade, just not throwing the ‘baby out with the bathwater’ either.

  9. RumNCoke Says:

    So, when race cars collide, there is an explosion of carbon fiber bits all over the track. Some of these are as sharp as razors. Will adopting more carbon fiber into conventional vehicles greatly increase the time and expense it takes to clear an accident from a major roadway? It already seems to take forever with steel cars.

  10. PC Cartwright Says:

    While I don’t know Ferdinand Piech (or Martin Winterkorn) or any of their issues, if Herr Piech were really saying goodbye to VW it’s my bet that he wouldn’t want to say it in Japanese. So based completely on the context of your reporting I’ll bet he’s feeling pretty peevish. My version? He might actually say to his adversaries, “Tschüss Schwein,” and let it go. Just a thought and from afar.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If you drive 9500 miles a year, leasing (or, presumably buying) a car would be cheaper than using Uber. If you only go 5000 miles a year, and are in a location where they operate, Uber would almost certainly be cheaper. For now, though, I doubt if a a lot over people are ready to sell their cars, and rely entire on Uber, even if they don’t drive a lot of miles.

  12. HtG Says:

    Piech goes Putsch

    My question is if Porsche boss Mueller can survive now it’s known Piech asked him to replace Winterkorn.

    This is the orgin of the German expression “Up the Creek”
    —–
    Fiber

    How long before F1 claims they should be credited for BMW’s carbon fiber manufacturing process?

  13. Mike Says:

    I wonder who in the World Automotive Management circles will be likely to call Piech and offer him his next gig? There must be an opening for someone who has his Resume. Even Inaki was able to find work after VW.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3 If I lived in NYC, I’d mostly use public transport, use taxis, or maybe Uber, but would want to have a driver’s license.

  15. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Chuck G: I agree,to a point.It was putz that made his personal attcks on Wintercorn public,and as John Mc said,he shouldn’t have.My take on this as I said before,it was a pissing contest between the two,and when the board sided with Wintercorn,putz suffered a huge humility thing and really left himself no other choice but to tuck his tail between his legs and boogie out of there.Am I wrong?

  16. Brian Vinc Says:

    Another interesting comparison for the Uber vs. leasing comparison would have been if the labor costs for drivers was removed. Autonomous fleets might make the economics work.

  17. w l simpson Says:

    The tooling cost comparison spot should have
    included material cost comparison, which was briefly mentioned in today’s report.

  18. w l simpson Says:

    Also , I3 wise, don’t understand why they used UGLY to attract attention.

  19. merv Says:

    that uaw ford art is uber cool

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    With the i3, they save tooling cost, and also made the car “cool” to a certain group of people.

    In a similar way, to save tooling costs, Chevy made Corvettes with composite body panels 60 years ago, and by the time they might have considered using steel, the Corvette faithful wouldn’t allow it.

  21. HtG Says:

    Of three i3s I’ve seen on the road, I’d say they all made an impression of ‘confidence’ upon me. The front facia also is very different in the flesh.

    Of course I’ve got some pretty squirrely taste in cars.

  22. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ HtG: Yup,me too.That’s one reason I want the promaster city wagon.It don’t look like anything else be it car or truck.

  23. RonE Says:

    #22, G.A., Just watched Motorweek review the Promaster city wagon. Cool vehicle.

    http://www.motorweek.org/reviews/road_tests/2015-ram-promaster-ram-promaster-city/

  24. G.A.Branigan Says:

    It is a very cool,and different vehicle,and very capable too.

    As I posted yesterday,my dealer had a line on the exact PMCW that I wanted,right down to the color.He called this morning to tell me they,(the other dealer) WILL NOT DO A DEALER TRADE,lol.The reason is the other dealer actually has a bidding war going on for that very van.Can you believe it…

    So,opening for the 2016 PMCW will begin around mid June,with a 4 month wait.I can do this.

  25. HtG Says:

    24 Alright GA, I’ll fess up. I had to get into the Promaster at the NY show. There it was in the basement, all white and pokey looking. I got in the driver’s seat and it all came back to me, my days in SUVs, vans and pickups and box trucks. That’s a neat vehicle. I get why people want it.

  26. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Well HtG,yer one up on me.My dealer had ONE carego van.When I seen it ontheir website I called to take a test drive…..too damn late.It sold the same day it hit the lot.Even the gm midsize twins didn’t do that well.Whoda thunk it???

  27. G.A.Branigan Says:

    I meant Cargo….jeeezz.Hey Ben,send me an edit button please ;}>

  28. HtG Says:

    It’s got a great seating position. You sit high, with a big windshield and side windows, there’s great vision. Stepping into and off the thing is well done. People behind me were walking around inside which is a little weird.

  29. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Those east of me are enjoying the hell out of their cargo vans and some wagons…grrrr.Only complaint so far,and it’s on the cargo van,it’s noisy in the back until they lay down a rubber mat,or foam backed industrial carpet,noise gone.

  30. G.A.Branigan Says:

    And,most of the cargo van owners are disgruntled transit connect,and the nissan nv 200 owners who in some cases had to bit the bullet on trading in their very new vans just to get out of them.Now that did surprise me about the TC,not the nv 200.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I haven’t seen a Promaster City wagon, but saw, and sat in the cargo version. It has a lot of room for its footprint, and the seating position seemed very good.

  32. Rob Says:

    So you have to drive 9500 miles to make leasing more attractive than Uber but go over 10,000 miles and your over your lease milage.. Pretty fine line to walk.

  33. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Kit: The wagon is essentially the same,more sound insulation and of course the removeable back seat.In your opinion Kit,will it fit the bill for those long fuses we talked about?

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    33 The best thing to do, is just measure. If the front passenger seat comes out easily, you really have a lot of floor length, if you don’t have a passenger.

  35. robert montgomery Says:

    Is there a link to view the UAW
    UAW-Ford Art Collaborative?