AD #1651 – FCA Faces Big Fine, Jaguar F-PACE Debuts, BMW Creates Electric Truck

July 6th, 2015 at 11:50am

Runtime: 6:05

- FCA Faces Big Fine
- Supplier Consolidation
- BMW Develops New Brake Light
- BMW Creates Electric Truck
- F-PACE Debuts at Tour de France
- Continental Uses Cameras to Ditch Mirrors

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34 Comments to “AD #1651 – FCA Faces Big Fine, Jaguar F-PACE Debuts, BMW Creates Electric Truck”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The 1950 I drove while in high school was 65 years ahead of its time. It didn’t have any outside rear view mirrors.

  2. Kit Gerhart Says:

    That’s 1950 Plymouth.

  3. Barry Thiessen Says:

    I think it’s great that Continental is going after better visibility – I’m all for it! Now if someone could just figure out a way to get people’s lights to come on at night… All the always backlit dashboards are creating a false sense of headlights on for so many more drivers these days…!

  4. Lisk Says:

    Replacing OSRV mirrors with cameras is a good idea until you realize one drop of road salt or other crud will make them useless. Just ask anyone with a back up camera.

  5. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Kit: I believe that outside mirrors was an option.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    They would have been an option, and driver side only outside mirrors were common for a while, I think into the mid ’60′s.

  7. G.A.Branigan Says:

    One of my sons and his wife bought a new honda car,I don’t remember what model it is though,and it has cameras in each ORVM.While driving you can call up either camera to see blind spots on the infotainment screen,which is pretty big.When using a turn signal it automaticly brings up the corresponding mirror camera too.Pretty trick stuff,imho.

  8. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Kit: Yeah they were.My 63 falcon had one on the drivers side,my 65 Mustang had two,but on the Mustang they were standard for the K model pkg.

  9. MJB Says:

    4. – I don’t think that’ll be a problem.

    I don’t recall ever having gotten road salt splattered up onto my side-view mirrors (and I live in Michigan). Snow and frost are the biggest annoyances, but those are taken care of by the heating element in my mirrors.

    As long as these new OSRV cams let me point them outward, so as I’m not seeing the same thing in my side views as I am in my rear view (a concept most drivers just don’t get – my wife included), then I suppose they’ll work just fine.

    It WILL take some reprogramming of basic human nature though to get people to turn and look toward the right (at a screen inside the cockpit) when checking for traffic coming up over your left shoulder.

  10. John McElroy Says:

    #7. That outside rear view camera on the Honda Accord (and now on the HR-V) only works for the right hand side, not the left. Honda calls it Lane Watch.

  11. pedro fernandez Says:

    A rearview mirror is easy and cheap to replace/repair, not so with these cameras, no wonder the cost of a new car just keeps going up and up and less people can afford to buy them!

  12. Brett Says:

    In all likelihood, that low-profile, fixed focus camera module will be less expensive than the fold-away, two-axis remote controlled rear-view mirror unit it is replacing.

  13. MJB Says:

    12. I think you’re right. After all, we’ve had years now to perfect the miniature camera in cell phones and other applications. Production costs are through the floor on those things now.

    11. Only the simple, non-electrically operated ones are cheap to fix/replace. The ones on my car happen to be the type that fold in/out automatically upon ignition. Nowhere near cheap.

  14. MJB Says:

    10. …Reminds me of when most cars came only with driver’s side rear-view mirrors standard.

  15. HtG Says:

    I imagine side cameras will also create an opportunity for processing the images a driver sees. Like taking out the glare from headlights or increasing contrast in low light. Maybe give you warning that someone is zooming up the lane to your side. Make a flashing yellow rotoscope like image of cars for you. Lots of possibilities.

    Good luck to FCA in getting the US to approve a merger with GM. A $35 million fine from NHTSA is chump change compared to the tsuris Sergio just gave himself.

  16. MJB Says:

    Here’s a question. Is the rear-view mirror next?

  17. pedro fernandez Says:

    Yes, it’s all part of the move towards autonomous cars, automatic braking, parking and now rear view cameras, I wonder if these robo cars will have the capability of changing lanes by monitoring such rear view cameras?

  18. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ #10,John Mc: I seem to remember that he could cycle through all the cameras,including the backup camera while driving.I have to admit though,I was like a deer caught in the headlights because of all the spaceage deluxe hightech sssstufff in that car.

  19. Rob Says:

    The side view cameras not anything new. The RV industry has been offering them on models for years and there are plenty of aftermarket versions available. Now getting people to look at them and use them properly that would be something. I do like what ths could do for styling though.

  20. cwolf Says:

    Side cameras are a neat concept, but all of the many cameras makes the driver focus on the dash, instead of looking to the left, right, and what is ahead. Removing mirrors may improve drag, but will gains be greater than cost? Considering the average driver piles up about 15 K /yr. and mostly city driving, I fail to see the benefit.
    In the future, I think any maker offering a basic mid-size car lacking all the electronics will have a winner on their hands.

  21. MJB Says:

    @20 – Yes, but the assimilation has already begun with the advent of the back-up cam. Some people have already begun looking at their dash/center consoles instead of behind them when backing up. These are the folk that couldn’t wait to ditch the habit they never liked of craning their heads to see behind while backing up.

    It’ll only take one generation of drivers (for whom this type of tech is standard in the cars on which they learn to drive) for this to go mainstream.

  22. T. Bejma Says:


    Every single GM vehicle, from the Spark to the Cadillac CTS has automatic headlights that come on at dusk.

    I agree with you Barry. And it always seems like it’s the Honda’s and the Toyota’s that are driving around with just their DRL’s on at night…

  23. Brett Says:

    As beltlines get higher and higher and roof pillars get thicker and thicker, mirrors for rearward vision become less and less effective.

    Of course, when autonomous vehicles are the norm instead of the exception, they will no longer need to be constructed like bank vaults because they will seldom crash, eliminating the need to protect the occupants as they do now.

    Also, because they drive themselves, it will no longer be necessary to see out, making windows irrelevant. Proving once more that once you’ve perfected something, it’s obsolete. :)

  24. MJB Says:

    22. I think you’re onto something, T.

    I’ve noticed that on all 3 Lexuses (Lexi?) I’ve owned, the auto headlights don’t come on as early as I would expect. Been meaning to apply a thin coat/film of something to the little plastic cap covering the photovoltaic cell on my dash to trick it into believing it’s a couple of shades darker outside than it really is. I may just take a marker to it.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 My Malibu Maxx had auto on headlights, and they usually turned on about when I would want, except I always turn lights on when it rains, even if it is fairly light.

    Base Priuses have the sensor, and dim the panel displays, but don’t turn on the lights. You need to get a higher trim level to get auto on/off lights. That seems a little cynical, since most of the hardware is there.

  26. wl simpson Says:

    digital instrument panels are 10 years over due.
    the touch screen center info panel is just as distractive as texting

  27. wl simpson Says:

    when I 1st started in auto repair , O/S mirrors
    had to be bought & they clamped on the door edge.

  28. Bobby T Says:

    My ’74 Maverick still had only a driver side rear view mirror.

  29. Rob Says:

    #25 Canada requires DRL and headlights be on in the rain so cars manufactured there like the Dodge Challenger have the headlights automatically come on when the wipers are turned on.

  30. HtG Says:

    I drive with my lights on 24/7. In a little silver car I’m otherwise invisible. I’ve observed people completely not see me.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 I should probably do that, even though my little red cars would be somewhat more visible than a little silver car. Current Priuses have LED DRL’s, but my 2010 doesn’t.

  32. Marshall Says:

    Aren’t side view mirrors a federal requirement? You’d need to change the laws before manufactures could eliminate them, and switch to just using a camera system.

  33. Rob Says:

    #32 Only the drivers side mirror is typically require unless you do not have a windsheild mounted rear view mirror. In that case both side mirrors are required. I would think having them replaced with cameras would not violate the law as you still have a side view of the car. However knowing lawyers the verbage would probably need to be changed to include cameras and monitors vs mirrors.

  34. Rob Says:

    #32 The mirror requirement is also state driven not federal. Most states only require drivers side but at least one state requires all factory orgiginal safety equipment to be intact so if your passenger mirror got knocked off you could be breaking the law.