AD #1667 – Africa Next Growth Market? Used Teslas Attract Youth, FCVs Make Gallons of H2O

July 28th, 2015 at 11:49am

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- Africa the Next Growth Market?
- Ford Performs Well Globally
- Used Teslas Attract More Millennials
- Subaru Teams to Protect Pets
- BMW App Has You Seeing Green… Lights
- Fuel Cells Produce Gallons of Water

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48 Comments to “AD #1667 – Africa Next Growth Market? Used Teslas Attract Youth, FCVs Make Gallons of H2O”

  1. G.A.Branigan Says:

    That’s interesting on the amount of water given off by the fuel cell powered cars.I know they have been testing them in sunny socal,but have they ever been tested up north in winter?

  2. clem zahrobsky Says:

    How much water does car A/C dump out on to the roads ?? There are a lot more car A/Cs than there will be fuel cell cars for years to come

  3. David Sprowl Says:

    If fuel cells become the propulsion mode of choice, I can see the environmentalist carping about how much mold we are creating.

  4. Sean McElroy Says:

    You would think with its current drought that California would want as many FCVs as possible parading around its streets. I wonder if Tom Selleck will buy a whole fleet of them? ;)

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I always assumed that the water from fuel cell cars would come out as vapor, but it sounds like they run so cool, that they may be dribbling water from the tailpipe. Still, is a quart per mile of dripping water significant? We’d better look into all that condensate from car A/C.

    Yeah, the A/C water is in the summer, so would not form ice.

  6. G.A.Branigan Says:

    I would think that Sellect would need fc tractors instead ;}>

  7. HtG Says:

    Green light app

    If I understand the app BMW is using, a driver can see a countdown clock to when a red light will turn green. This means you save energy by not slowing down. But what happens when cross traffic blows their own red light? Answer; a collision. And how is the BMW driver also not going to be blocked by a car ahead which doesn’t use the app? I’m sure other drivers will love having a pushy X5 behind them.

  8. Rob Says:

    How about a FCV lawnmower then you can cut the grass and water it too..

  9. TC Says:

    How about adding a refrigerated drinking water system to fuel cell cars!

  10. MJB Says:

    #7. I think the bigger traffic issue would be created by the BMW driver who slows his roll early in anticipation of a light about to change to green (to keep from coming to a complete stop). The drivers behind him won’t be happy about that.

    Also, Sean, you mentioned that BMW anticipates this app will “increase safety”? I don’t see that happening. Just BMW owners flashing their eyeballs back and forth between the road and countdown display. Thus increasing the likelihood of collisions rather than safety.

    Unless this thing can get thrown into a heads-up display, I see it just adding to the “distracted driver” syndrome.

  11. HtG Says:

    If the BMW app could audibly countdown to green, text reading drivers wouldn’t hold up traffic when the light changes. Not sure if this would apply to BMW drivers.

  12. pedro fernandez Says:

    Around these parts, a green means:”Proceed with caution and look at both sides before crossing intersection” Blaring horns from behind notwithstanding.

  13. pedro fernandez Says:

    Chevy and SAIC to develop a new global platform to be sold as Chevrolet in emerging markets, Sergio must be very happy, his Fiats will no longer be the world’s crappiest cars. Will it be called Chivrolet?

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It may not be any good, but appearance-wise, the 500X is about my favorite mini tall wagon. The outside looks decent, and it has body color bits inside, which add something over the usual black, grey, or tan.

  15. MJB Says:

    Reaching back to yesterday’s topic of “Restoration vs. Preservation”, I just may retract my statement about never buying a classic car with the intent of flipping it…

    Sean/John (ha – I never thought about that before – Sean John Jeans…)

    Anyway – I would imagine you’ve been to a fare share of classic car auctions (versus car “shows”). Have the cars mentioned in the attached link typically been “Restored” or Preserved”? Because they sure look to be in showroom condition to me (which would suggest Restoration) – yet they’re still fetching ridiculously high bids.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 The ones that sell for ridiculously high prices, like the ‘Cuda that Mecum sold for 3.5M, would be “preserved,” with very little use, and probably stored in a humidity and temperature controlled environment most of its life.

    To make money “flipping” cars, you need to buy them low, as with houses, and now is not the time for doing that.

    I know a couple people in Indiana who like to restore, or in many cases, build street rods from cars for fun, and then sell them for about $20K less than they spent on them. Is this “flipping”?

  17. pedro fernandez Says:

    In today’s news, Daimler and Nissan/Renault broke ground on the new Nissan Mexico plant that will build the Merc CLA. A Renault/Nissan car with a Mercedes badge attached to it, it boggles the mind!

  18. MJB Says:

    #16. Thanks, Kit.

    I would say that particular practice your acquaintances are involved in would be called, “I’m retired, with more time on my hands and money than I need, so why not just have fun doing what I enjoy, then sell them for cheap to keep ‘em from stacking up on the front lawn.”

    Sounds like they’re having fun though.

  19. MJB Says:

    #16. So then what you’re saying is that $3.5mil Cuda will likely go to someone like Cameron’s father from Ferris Beuller’s Day Off. ;)

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 They’re having fun, but also have more spare money than most of us.

    19 Probably something like that.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 It looks like they will build Renaults, and badge engineer them into Benzes and Infinitis.

    It’s the dealer experience you pay for when you buy a CLA. Most car companies have good, and not-so-good products compared to their competition, but it seems that with Daimler, more than most brands, you need to shop the specific product, not just the brand.

  22. pedro fernandez Says:

    Can you think of one Lexus you would absolutely NOT purchase, if money was not an issue?

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Lexus has some cars that are bad buys, like the ES, and generally worse than the competition, like the IS. Everything they sell should be reliable, though, and the dealer experience would be good.

  24. T. Bejma Says:


    I would not purchase any of the Lexuses (Lexi?) that are simply trim versions of their Toyota counterparts or any that have that hideous spindle grilles… :-)

    On a side note, did you (G.A. in particular) see that the pricing for the diesel Colorado/Canyons is out?
    With diesel and gas on par, there will probably be a pretty quick payback on the engine premium and an immediate payback on seat of the pants performance! ;-)

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    24 Some Lexi don’t have Toyota versions, at least in the US. Most notibly are the LS, GS, and IS. The LS is a good one to buy used. It is a very nice, big luxury car, even the first generation, and is very reliable.

  26. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ T Bejma: Yeah I seen the price,I also seen where you have to have it in a crew cab.That ain’t happening for me at all.It’s just my wife and I and I will say I was disappointed that it will only be offered in the two top trim levels.It should be offered all across the board.For myself,a extended cab longbed 2wd would have been fine.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The only pickup I ever had was a standard cab, short bed S-10. These 4 door things don’t even look like pickup trucks. People buying them, except for the few hundred a year who actually use them for work crews, should buy a van, or in many cases, a car.

    Yes, I know, a lot of people like to have the long wheelbase and long overall length.

  28. pedro fernandez Says:

    Jay Leno’s latest Youtube video is of his GMC midsize Syclone super charged V6 truck at that time was the most powerful vehicle you could buy, a true collector’s gem.

  29. pedro fernandez Says:

    The debate between the Camry and the ES has raged on since the Lexus first came out, IMHO I would get the Avalon instead, about the same $$ as the ES, but a hell of a lot car for that money.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28 The Syclone was cool, and quick. A year or so later they had the SUV version called Typhoon, but with the extra weight, it was less impressive.

  31. pedro fernandez Says:

    Why GM did not continue that line is hard to understand. Even Jay praised it a lot!

  32. C-Tech Says:

    @ #30 Kit my understanding is that GM corporate quietly killed the Syclone/Typhoon because the performance was nearly equal to the Corvette. Much of the awd system came straight from the Astro minivan.

  33. C-Tech Says:

    The Syclone / Typhoon was an amazing engineering job since most of it came from the GM parts bin. Not much was created for it.

  34. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Kit:The van I ordered,for me and my wife,will suit us just fine for our needs and wants.Since I normally drive less then 6k miles a year,my needs for a diesel just isn’t what I need anymore,especially with the problems with the new clean diesels have with only doing local driving 95% of the time.

  35. HtG Says:

    OK, you guys did it. I’m going to go watch that Leno video.

  36. HtG Says:

    Yep. Leno knows interesting autos and bikes.

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    34 To me, diesel pickups make sense only for those who do a lot of heavy towing, and diesel cars make sense only for those who drive a lot of highway miles. The “torque” thing is irrelevent, unless you really don’t like the sound of an engine revving up at times. You are not even aware of how much torque the engine has, because the normally mandatory automatic transmission picks the proper gear to use the engine’s power band.

    I had a diesel car, a 1.9 TDI Jetta wagon with a 5-speed manual, which got great mpg for a non-hybrid. Basically, the engine ran at about 2/3 the rpm of a gasser under most conditions.
    It had more torque, but at lower rpm than a similar size gas engine, with a slow, 14 or so second or so 0-60 time, about what you’d expect with it’s 90 hp in a 3200 pound car.

  38. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Todays diesels are a whole new breed,with all of the pollution devices/after treatment/dpf filter/regen etc.Even people that put on heavy miles are having problems with the modern diesels.As I posted months ago,after doing all the research on what these new clean diesels were all about,I have to say,thanks,but no thanks.I’m well into my forth year of ownership of my 12 nox,and I just turned 20k miles a short while ago.

  39. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I drive about 14K miles a year, spread over 4 vehicles. Diesels certainly wouldn’t make sense for me.

  40. Rob Says:

    I drive about 30k miles a year so a diesel sounds like a great idea but people still have a stigma of a vehicle with over 100k miles being used up. So diesel or not not sure the resale value would be much better.

  41. T. Bejma Says:

    I have toys (jet ski, boat, motorcycle, 4 wheeler, snowmobile) so I like the idea of a diesel for towing, but I also like performance, so the ability to tweak the turbo is another reason it makes sense for me.

  42. Kit Gerhart Says:

    For the first time in recent memory, the price of diesel fuel is close to regular gas. Is it likely to stay that way, or is it mainly a function of cheap crude oil?

  43. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Today’s prices in my area:

  44. Ivan Sears Says:

    So, and a bit tongue in cheek at that, as use of fuel cell vehicles grows are we going to be faced with a long term water/water vapor pollution problem leading to weather changes, local flooding and who knows what else??

    After all, if he were to work at it really hard, it is possible to drink enough water to cause death.

  45. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ T Bejma: I wish gm would have used the all new 4.3L V6 instead of the 3.6L in the midsize twins.I would have bought one.

  46. MJB Says:


    Not sure where are you getting this intel. I haven’t heard or read any bad press on the reliability of either the Lexus ES or IS. Perhaps when compared with other top-tier reliable autos they have fallen one or two points short in certain production years. But I think to suggest that they are “bad buys” is a bit extreme.

    In fact, on the Lexus forum I belong to, there is always dirt being thrown on the LS460 by LS430 owners because the 460 has always had more ‘reliability’ issues than the 430. But when you step back and look at the big picture, all years of the Lexus LS are still more reliable than any other lux sedan on the market.

  47. Kit Gerhart Says:

    46 I’m not saying that the ES or IS are unreliable. I’m saying that the ES is a bad buy, compared to the similar Camry, and that the IS drives poorly, and isn’t very roomy compared to most of the competition.

  48. MJB Says:

    Got it. So, more of a ‘bad value’.