AD #1693 – BYD to Ship to Sudan, Garmin Adds Safety Tech, Sales Analyst’s Predictions Were Wrong

September 2nd, 2015 at 11:55am

Runtime: 7:06

- BYD to Ship Vehicles to Sudan
- Tesla Model X’s Hefty Price
- New, Bigger Battery Pack for Tesla Roadster
- Garmin Adds Safety Technology to Units
- VW CEO Winterkorn to Get Contract Extension
- Sales Analyst’s Predictions Were Wrong

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36 Comments to “AD #1693 – BYD to Ship to Sudan, Garmin Adds Safety Tech, Sales Analyst’s Predictions Were Wrong”

  1. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Garmin already has a nav unit that has all the features Sean mentioned,but they aren’t an add-on,it’s all integrated in.If I remember it right,it retails for $399.00.I believe it has a 5″ screen,and of course bluetooth.

  2. HtG Says:

    so CUVs are crushing it? Here’s my Lunchline Headline…

    “The Hatch is Back”

  3. Brett Says:

    re: CUV success.

    It is actually becoming difficult for me to comfortably climb in and out of a contemporary sedan. Ingress/egress from a more upright, higher hip-point vehicle is a much more pleasant endeavor.

    I think that people are less infatuated with the full-tilt SUV and want a more car-like experience, but like the higher seating, hence the interest in CUVs.

  4. Buzzerd Says:

    Brett- and it seems all the new sedans are kind of small in the passenger area. Most seem to have a fast back roof line that looks really nice but firmly plants my head on the ceiling. You don’t have that problem with CUV’s.

  5. Lisk Says:

    $29,000 for a new battery pack? And it’s heavier? I’m sorry, but if you had to change the engine in a ICE powered car every eight years there would be public outcry. This is just another reason why electric cars just don’t make sense.

  6. Brett Says:


    It is an elective swap to update the vehicle for more range, not a mandatory maintenance item. It’s also an expensive car, so the price of the pack is commensurate.

    Admit it, you wouldn’t have paid $110,000 for the car brand new, so of course $29,000 for batteries is unacceptable to you.

  7. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Lisk – While $29,000 is a lot of money, I think there’s a few other factors to take into account. First, this new battery pack is an upgrade. I don’t think you have to opt for it if you don’t want to. Not sure how much it would be to replace the old unit with a new one that’s the same kWh size, but my guess is it’s nowhere near $29,000. Also the upgraded pack is very low production, only 2 – 3 per week. What does a very low volume ICE engine cost, like say a Hellcat? I’ve heard they’re upwards of $15,000 – $20,000 and that doesn’t include the price of installation like the Tesla pack does. As to your point about having to change the battery after 8-years, I think the hope would be that the customer saves enough money charging with electricity rather than filling up with gas to offset the price of a new pack after those 8-years. And let’s not forget that even into the 70′s 100,000 miles on a ICE engine was considered a lot. I’m still willing to give EVs a little more time to catch up.

  8. Lisk Says:

    As lithium-ion batteries age as they cycle, and their energy lowers. A laptop/phone that would have a four hour charge when new will last about half that amount a couple of years later, so yes this is a “mandatory upgrade” if you want to continue to drive the car. This applies to all electrics not just $110,000 Teslas. A $60,000 ICE sports car would not cost their owners anywhere near that kind of money to keep them on the road.

  9. Lisk Says:

    #7- Even with gas at $4 a gallon and getting an average of 15 mpg over 10,000 miles, that’s only $2,600 per year and you have no limits to driving range. And I’m sure that the electricity costs would be roughly 1/3 that amount, and you are still creating CO2. My big issue is that you are spending a great deal of money to replace a something you wouldn’t normally replace. I agree with the 70′s analogy concerning the durability of engines. In 1980, you had to trade your car off before the 60,000 mile mark or it would start to nickel and dime you to death. Most of today’s cars can go 100-200k with no problems when maintained. It has nothing to do with Tesla, just electric in general-

  10. MJB Says:

    #5 + #6

    The math will never work out for the Tesla coupe and sedan.

    Well, perhaps I shouldn’t say ‘never’. I suppose after about 20 years of ownership, the gas savings will mitigate the higher than average purchase price. But these early adopters are not driving them to save money on gas. They’re either ‘doing their part’ to save the planet, or they just want to have a piece of the hottest automotive tech on the road.

    Either way, Brett’s right. Anyone with the cash to spend on that Roadster isn’t sweating an optional $29k. Especially when it’s going to increase range, and likely even take a few tenths of a second off their already insane 0-60 time (3.7s for the 2.5S).

  11. HtG Says:

    Looks like the gentle afternoon barflys at the Autoline Inn aren’t going to be arguing over the GMC Denali’s name today. Thank Goodness.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    re. the discussion above, you don’t buy a $100K+ EV to save money. Those with a lot of spare money buy them because they are cool. In time, battery costs will come down, but for now, the Teslas are expensive toys for those who can afford them.

    For now, the only battery cars that can save you money are hybrids. They get much better mpg, especially in stop and go driving than conventional cars, and their smaller, 1.5-2 kwh battery doesn’t run the price to the stratosphere

  13. Rob Says:

    All I can say is the person that develops a better battery will be a very rich person. Too bad bateries are not evolving at the same rate as computer software.

  14. Marshall Says:

    On a completely different subject – I just saw my first BMW I8 on the road today. It was coming toward me in the other traffic lane. My first thought was, gee that looks like the car from the TV series Knight Rider because of the glowing front end. [Novi, MI, USA]

  15. MJB Says:



    Yes, but more likely, the investment group who funds the costly development of this ‘better battery’ will be very rich.

    Unfortunately, the R&D necessary for succeeding at such complex endeavors as these is never something anyone who is not already wealthy can bankroll themselves.

  16. HtG Says:

    13 As seen on Autoline, battery tech coming from Michigan…

    But if you ask the chip makers, the game is about balancing processing and power needs.

  17. HtG Says:

    GA, is it safe?

  18. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ HtG: If your referring to the Garmin,I’m sure it is.They build quality stuff imho.

    My new van,that I finally pick up tomorrow afternoon,has built in nav.I think it’s a tom tom,but the salesman says it’s a Garmin like the rest of the fca vehicles.

    If in fact it is a tom tom,and I experience the same problems that other tom tom users face,I will buy that on dash Garmin and call it done.

  19. HtG Says:

    The van, that’s what I was asking about.

  20. cwolf Says:

    The Tesla model 3 is the car I would wait for if’n you can be patient for a couple more years. A $35K price is eye catching.

  21. cwolf Says:

    Given the fact that CUV’s are so HOT, why can’t OEM”s get it into their heads that that trucks are also just too big! Even the mid-sized are larger than those up to about the 50′s. Some of us only need a small truck like the early Ford Ranger or Chevy S10.

  22. HtG Says:

    One factor, I think, is that taller cars are more normal now than they were 10-15 years ago. Those small trucks of the past are tiny by today’s standards. Also, like TB said, in the big open spaces in america people like bigger cars. I’ve felt that myself out in eastern Colorado or Kansas. And if I lower the rear seats of the Versa I’ve got a mini flat bed, right there.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Yep, unfortunately for those of us who like cars, taller is now normal. I need to get used to it, because it’s not likely to change in my lifetime.

  24. HtG Says:

    My sense, and I’ve said it here for years, is that as the population in the States gets older, more obese and out of shape, and infirm, cars with higher seats will become more attractive. The greater wonder is that carcos are able to market products which accommodate the old and infirm to the young and affluent. All these driver aids aren’t there for 30 year olds. (dirty little secret- I have fun driving the Versa because its high center of gravity makes it harder to control and balance. Normal driving can get tedious around here.)


  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    CRV’s seem to be the “official car” of my condo in Florida, but there are also several H/K CUV’s, and a few Priuses. To my knowledge, there is one Corvette other than mine, a C5, and a supercharged Mustang (GT500?) which is rarely driven. The recently acquired vehicles, both by old, and not-so-old residents are mostly CUV’s. Then, there’s me, oldish, but not obese with the C4 Corvette, the most entry/exit unfriendly car that I’m aware of. I’m lucky, at my age (69) to be able to get in and out without difficulty.

  26. HtG Says:

    In the weight room at the state university, I’d listen in as the strength training coach would instruct teams and gym classes. What would he focus on? Core strength. That moving around you need to project strength from your feet, through your torso, to your hands. BAM! Especially as one ages. Carcos are accommodating the reality; weaklings desiring to appear strong. (I know this is harsh to write)

  27. HtG Says:

    CRV, HRV, Trax, Fiat 500X, Buick Encore, Porsche Macan, Murano, Merc GLA + GLK, Audi A5, Renegade, etc.

    It’s what we drive. (I know I like these cars. The high H-point of the Versa was a major attraction)

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Even though I’d like driving them ok, I seem to have a bias against these tall hatchbacks, AKA CUV’s, because they are gas hogs for their size at highway speed compared to, you know, a car. My oldish Corvette gets 25 mpg at 75-80 on the interstate. A friend’s CX-5 does no better under the same conditions.

  29. HtG Says:

    Wayward Autoline son, Craig Cole drives one. We’re going back.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Those were CUV’s, with tall ride height, but they weren’t hatchbacks like today’s CUV’s.

  31. Rob Says:

    Kit I think getting a heavier 5 passenger vehicle to achieve similar gas mileage as a 2 seater built with lightweight in mind even with the large difference in HP is an accomplishment. Very aerodynamic light vehicles even with high HP can achieve decent hwy MPG. Getting a large object like a SUV/CUV with room for 5 to break the 75 mph wind makes for a much more difficult task.

  32. Brett Says:

    re: People who own Teslas

    I have a music friend who lives in the local fly-in community. When we first met, he had just purchased a Model S. A month later when I saw him he was opining for the newly announced P85D, regretting his purchase. Last month when we got together, I noticed the emblem on his parked Tesla said, “P85D”. I asked him if he’d succumbed to the siren call of “more power!” and he just grinned.

    We shouldn’t presume what people that have lots of money will or will not spend it on. :)

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31 I agree that my comparison wasn’t too good. My point was that the 20+ year old design with twice the motor and about the same vehicle weight gets the same highway mpg, mainly because it isn’t so tall. A better example would have been that a Magnum wagon with a 5.7 hemi would get about the same highway mpg as the CX-5, mainly because it’s not so tall, but partly because it’s not AWD like my friend’s Mazda.

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If they still made the Magnum and used the 3.6 Pentastar V6/8-speed auto powertrain, it would probably get signicantly better highway mileage than most of the lighter, 4 cylinder CUV’s, because it’s not so tall. Yes, I’m aware that Americans like tall vehicles, and not car-height wagons and hatches. I’m clearly an outlier in that regard.

  35. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ HtG: Sorry I misunderstood the question.I’ll be at the dealership by 01030 hrs to do th’ dance.I will have a good drive back home though,about 40 miles.I’ll give my ‘first impressions’ when I get back home.I’ve said this before and it bares mentioning again,FCA screwed th pooch bigtime on the launch of this vehicle.Macaroni should be ashamed of his team,over.

  36. stephen D Says:

    Many CUV drivers were driven around as kids in minivans/trucks. Now they’re buyers and want the same height experience. They get worried on highways in lower height cars with all these massive trucks. Older drivers want something that looks safer to drive their grandkids and carry all their “stuff”. Many sedan cars in the 80-90′s were crap unless you were lucky enough to be in a euro sedan or Accord. Young drivers perceive small crossovers as trendy and sport oriented versus boxy sedans where design is more conservative.