AD #1696 – EU on the Mend, Hurdles for Autonomous Cars, Luxurious MRAPs

September 8th, 2015 at 11:43am

Runtime: 7:10

- EU Out of Intensive Care
- Mahindra’s Shopping Cart
- Land Rover & Audi Introduce Armored Vehicles
- Toyota Tacoma up Strong in 2015
- Obstacles for Self-Driving Cars

Visit our sponsors to thank them for their support of Autoline Daily: Hyundai, Bridgestone, Dow Automotive Systems and MEDC.

»Subscribe to Podcast | iTunes | RSS | Listen on Phone Stitcher | YouTube

Thanks to our partner for embedding Autoline Daily on its website:

33 Comments to “AD #1696 – EU on the Mend, Hurdles for Autonomous Cars, Luxurious MRAPs”

  1. MJB Says:

    The quote from Peter Sweatman about how driverless cars won’t ‘cheat’ like humans do is reassuring. However, there are times when you will ‘want’ it to cheat.

    I can see it now. Every autonomous car coming to a full and complete, dead stop at each and every single stop sign, irrespective of the fact that there may not be a single vehicle (or pedestrian for that matter) coming from any direction within a two block radius. No thanks. That kind of anally-retentive driving would infuriate me to no end.

  2. Bradley Says:


    IMO: Cars will be required to have Vehicle to Vehicle communication in the not to distant future.

    The intent of each vehicle will be known by those vehicles approaching an intersection. Established and well known algorithms will then weave traffic, removing the need to actually stop.

    Of course, they’ll need to stop for pedestrians etc.

  3. Clem Zahrobsky Says:

    How do they protect the cooling systems on these armored cars ? Take out the rad and the car is not going to far without coolant

  4. HtG Says:

    1. Last week NYT had a piece on how Google’s cars were having to deal with how humans don’t follow the rules. For example, hey had to train their cars not to get stuck at four-way-stops by drivers inching along and negotiating. Some weeks ago, when Google argued poor accident statistics weren’t able to explain why their cars kept getting whacked I offered that the robots were not properly accommodating the way real humans drive. Maybe Google should try driving around Boston rather than rectilinear nerd center around their Mountain View HQ; if they dare. (Just sayin’ Boston, but you guys are scary. Not much better DC, don’t you eyeball me)

  5. HtG Says:

    4 Hey, how about that proof reading up there? Sorry

  6. Chuck Grenci Says:

    #3 Clem
    You’re correct long-term (about shooting out the radiator) but the first concern is to survive the initial attack and then get to a safer place. Given that the engine can run for a while till it ceases to function, the radiator is a secondary concern.

  7. Brett Says:

    So, is the question “How do we develop autonomous vehicles that can cope with semi-attentive scofflaw human drivers?” or is it “Will human drivers adapt to attentive, law-abiding autonomous vehicles?”

    I think the question is the latter and an a strawman argument. If you can deal with the semi-attentive loons out there now, you can can adjust to cars that are driven in a careful, lawful, and utterly consistent fashion. It will seem strange at first, but I’m sure we can adapt.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’ll have to wait until midnight, my time, if I want to see the reveal of the new Prius. How inconsiderate of them.

  9. HtG Says:

    9pm EST is 10am in Tokyo.

    Coincidence? I think not, my friend! ;)

  10. joe Says:

    Toyota is where GM was many years ago selling vehicles that mediocre, but still selling like hotcakes.

  11. MJB Says:


    Are you referring to mediocre design? Because in terms of reliability and overall build quality, GM has never been where Toyota is.

    Well, Buick has come close in recent years, but still…

  12. Rob Says:

    I dont think people who want armored vehicles prefer to ride in style as much as if your shelling out $400K for an armored vehicle it should be a really nice vehicle to start with that includes armor plating.
    Wouldnt see much of a market for $400k Prius’s.

  13. John McElroy Says:

    Google is already programming its cars to avoid driving in the blind spots of other cars, to nose out into an intersection at a four-way stop, and to drift towards where it wants to change change lanes rather than make an abrupt move.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    An armored Prius would cost only $300K

    Actually, if I were a Russian mafia boss, or whoever it is that needs an armored vehicle, I want it to be as inconspicuous as it could be, like a Camry in the U.S.

  15. Robert Says:

    Peter, how will autonomous vehicles detect the huge potholes that blanket S.E. Michigan? You know . . . the ones that blow out your tires or re-direct you into oncoming traffic our off the road? I would rather see better driver training and vehicle warning systems when driver distraction is detected.

  16. joe Says:

    MJB, you can say what you like, but all the reviews I’ve read about the Tacoma versus the Colorado, rates the Colorado as a far better vehicle.

    Many like yourself can not seem to accept facts when it comes to GM vehicles. The same happened when the Cruze first came out. The reviews raved about the Cruze, now outdated but not for long, compared to the Corolla.

    Hey, we Americans can build first class vehicles. I know we slept for decades, but now we are wide awake.
    Now, it’s time for you to wake-up!

  17. HtG Says:

    13 in DC people don’t come close to stopping at the sign. They just kinda know who’s going to fold first. Usually it was me. They’d see me stopping and just blow through the intersection. My sister there thinks it’s normal: think ‘holy terror’ when in she’s in NY.

    Maybe when Google figures out People they’ll go back and look at the collisions they had in early days and see that it was their car’s behavior that led to some incidents. Like giving visual cues of intentions rather just following the legal rules.

  18. MJB Says:


    If the attackers are smart, they’ll have one guy blow out the tires, while the other torpedoes the engine bay. Then after it’s been disabled, they can go about compromising that VR-9 envelope.

    Either way, armor protection is best when your assailants don’t know you have it. That way, they can’t prepare a way to get around it.

  19. T. Bejma Says:


    Last year both Buick and Cadillac rated higher than Toyota…

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 Interesting. The most shocking thing, is that MINI received an award for, presumably, the base Cooper. I guess mine isn’t the only one that has been reliable.

  21. pedro fernandez Says:

    In Miami, a YIELD traffic sign must mean “RAM THRU” to foreigners, cause that is exactly what they do when they come across one.

  22. HtG Says:

    So long story short, two weeks ago I’m in the middle lane and notice the car to my left is tailgating the car in front of him. Hmmmm, maybe he wants to get by that guy methinks, so I lifted the throttle to make a space for this guy, who slips in front of me and FLIPS ME THE BIRD. I still haven’t figured out what all happened there.*

    Maybe Google can analyze that scenario and write an algorithm. (hint; never be courteous to aggressive people)

    *yes there was a wee bit of road rage next, but that’s all cleared up. Interesting how Flipper wasn’t keen on tailgating me a moment later. That’s right, stay back there.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Did Flipper want you to get in the left lane, so he/she/it could pass on the right?

  24. HtG Says:

    Nope. I worked through traffic and wound up in front of him in the left lane. Then I might have lifted the throttle a bit again. He did keep back, perhaps not wishing to pass any longer. Intimidation is dangerous fun.

  25. HtG Says:

    But Google et al have an issue because people drive differently in different regions. For example, one time I deservedly got cursed out, “A$$#@%e”, was in Wilkes-Barre PA, passing a line of cars that got out of the right lane because there was a sign saying, ‘Lane Closed Ahead.’ I didn’t know the rule in this part of PA was clear the lane a quarter mile before it ends. My bad.

    So let’s see the computers figure out regional wierdities.

  26. HtG Says:

    The reason I could hear what they were calling me is that I had the top down in the Miata. Yep, I really got some townies hot that morning. :)

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:


  28. C-Tech Says:

    I believe where Colo./Canyon sales are coming from are people who owned Ford Rangers, and S-10′s in addition to Frontiers.

  29. G.A.Branigan Says:

    I would say at least 95% of all the tacos I see on the road,old and new,are driven by kids,under 30.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The Rangers I see are mostly driven by 60+ year old handymen, who use then as, you know, pickup trucks. Most of the people I see in Colorado/Canyons should probably be driving a VW Golf. People buy vehicles not for need, but for “image.” I suspect all of this varies by region.

  31. MJB Says:

    20. 22.

    Back when I still had my first car (’86 Renault Alliance) I discovered very quickly that the tranny takes FOREVER to engage the reverse gear. So, even on the highway at 75mph, I would routinely deal with tailgaters by throwing the car in and out of reverse to get the reverse lights to flash. Just the very threat of what might have happened next was enough to cleared my bumper every single time.

    In fact, I’ve been meaning to get my LS wired so that I can just press a button to achieve the same effect. Still haven’t gotten around to it…

  32. BobD Says:

    I think the export rules may have changed in 2014, but the high resell price for Tacoma a few years ago was partially driven by high demand for migrant workers buying them in the US, driving them back to Mexico, and reselling them south of the border. The trucks had to be 8 years old to circumvent having to paying an import tariff. My brother-in-law had two older Tacomas and sold both sight-unseen for a lot more than they were worth to immigrant workers heading home in the fall. The buyers said they’d be able to resell them once home for even more money due to demand in Mexico.

  33. ukendoit Says:

    MJB, I intentionally wired my street-legal dunebuggy that way, with a switch for the reverse lights instead of to the transmission. I thought it may come in handy for such cases or illuminating behind while camping, etc. I haven’t had the opportunity to test it on tailgaters yet though -I guess I need to drive slower!