AD #1709 – More Bad News for VW, New Ford Focus RS Documentary, Cali Wants EVs for the Masses

September 25th, 2015 at 11:46am

Runtime: 9:21

- More Bad News for VW
- Chevy Silverado Updates
- Nissan Displays Titan XD in Texas
- Suppliers Need to Be More Social
- New Ford Focus RS Documentary
- Uber Expands Services
- Cali Wants EVs for the Masses

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52 Comments to “AD #1709 – More Bad News for VW, New Ford Focus RS Documentary, Cali Wants EVs for the Masses”

  1. Ron Paris Says:

    Great CARB; rebates for everyone here in the Golden state! Rich, poor, EVERYONE. God know we can afford it! BTW: Who is John Galt anyway?

  2. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Get those zev’s a rollin’. Btw,where does the electricity come from to charge all those zevs? Maybe it all comes from gov moonbeam?

  3. Lex Says:

    The Toyota Prius, Nissan Leaf, Chevy Volt and especially Tesla Model S should all be targeting would be diesel buyers in California amid the growing VW Scandal. What VW has done is lay waste to the public trust and any concern for the environment. Where are those green leaf commercial Toyota ran for the Prius several years ago.

  4. Jesse Says:

    VW lied.. And Kalifornia is trying to sway car sales… Oh the horror…

  5. Chuck Grencic Says:

    +1 Ron Paris (alms for the poor) and Ron, is aluminum the new Rearden Steel ;)

    Unfortunately even with energy rebates for used vehicles I believe the take-rate will be small for the less than affluent; the warranties will be either waning or gone and these won’t be cheap to maintain vehicles especially to the lowest wage incomes who just barely get by with just-running vehicles now.

  6. Joe Engelhardt Says:

    No. 1 excellent comment, amen! Just because California is bankrupt, that does not mean they still can’t be stupid!

  7. HtG Says:

    Some weeks ago I saw a drive-along from Cali where the lessee of an i3(w/out range extender) talked about how BMW had subvented his lease to the degree that he was paying some silly low monthly bill. For a car listing at 48K he got total rebates of 20K and was paying 300/mo. I’m betting the change to vw’s diesel sales will affect the EV market.

    price talk begins at about 5:30

  8. dcars Says:

    I watched Autoline After hours last night and have a comment regarding whether the CEO of VAG knew of this devise… how could he have not known? Ferdinand Piech insisted on dominating the US and world market for cars and based the corporate strategy on this technology. VAG is centrally controlled company, Piech is an engineer he had to sign off on this strategy. Wintercorn is taking the fall and the hush money $32 to 65 million?.. Matthias Müller is a Piech guy who’ll keep the Peich name out of the courts. For a true clean slate, they should have hired a real outsider but that didn’t happen.

  9. JDay Says:

    Sounds great but TELL ME ABOUT THE MONEY! When that dude said the rebates can go “above and beyond” the full amount my eyes bout popped out of my head. I mean from what I’ve seen (living in San Diego all my life) it is true that low income people are the ones holding on to older less efficient cars with there fingers crossed hoping to get another year out of it but I don’t think that literally paying them to buy a ZEV/PZEV car that they won’t be able to maintain long term is the answer. Wares the money coming from? close the poverty gap and cost of living in California and maybe the masses will go buy these cars willingly.

  10. Brett Says:

    California is not bankrupt. They threw out the Republicans. Things are much better now. :)

    It is disingenuous to allude that electricity for charging an electric vehicle only comes from fossil fuel fired power plants. It’s the only vehicle whose emission profile gets cleaner the longer it is around as the nation shifts inexorably towards renewable energy technologies.

    Remember, California is the rest of the USA ten years from now. Lots of smart people there and not a few work for the government.

    BTW – regarding “John Gault” reference? Is there anything more absurd than a philosophy that expounds that humans are not selfish enough? Every kid wishes they were a pirate at some point, but eventually we’re supposed to grow up and look out for one another.

  11. Bradley Says:

    Looks like BMW also is guilty about diesel emmissions…

    GM has a chance to shine…if their Cruze is innocent.

  12. Ron Paris Says:

    “Remember, California is the rest of the USA ten years from now.”
    Therein lies the problem Brett!

    “Lots of smart people there and not a few work for the government.”

    Actually, VERY FEW work for the government. What is it you’ve been smoking Brett? And BTW, like I said in post #1, it’s spelled “Galt”.

  13. MJB Says:

    Am I the only one wondering what difference it makes to a supplier’s profitability whether or not they participate in social media?

    Is not the whole purpose of social media to inform, get the attention of, stimulate, titillate, and arouse the curiosity of “end-users”?

    I think I get how a fickle customer could be swayed by a companies social media presence (or lack thereof). But why would a major car manufacturer care or even take into account the fact that their ‘Spacely Sprocket’ supplier’s Twitter feed has had no new entries in 8 months? Can we not have one pocket of society not saturated by social media?

  14. pedro fernandez Says:

    Hey, maybe the genius pot-smoking scientists in Cali can devise a way to harness the energy produced by all the wild fires to power all those EV’s they want all Californians to buy in the next few years.

  15. G.A.Branigan Says:

    If california is so damn good,why do they find more ways to tax the people.And the unfortunate consequence for me is,they are moving here to Oregon in droves,to escape the financial burdens put on them,then they wonder why we don’t give away the same stuff for free?! Tax and spend does not make any economy stronger,it weakens it.

  16. MJB Says:


    Both Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson bolted Cali due in large part to the high tax burden.

  17. HtG Says:

    13 I rely on social media a bit. My twitter feed gives me links to info from suppliers to chip makers which I would have missed on my own. I get tweets from select journalists when they’ve got a new piece out(even Autoline!). I get tweets from advocacy groups that let me stay a step ahead of certain friends in DC for policy stuff. I follow an investor bulletin board that a couple of nerds fill with tech stories from around the world.

    There’s more, but you get the picture. Broader news sources aren’t enough to keep up these days. The AAH comment board even counts as social media; it isn’t as though I like to talk cars with most people around me.

  18. pedro fernandez Says:

    Nothing on the Hyundai engine debris recall? I guess to VW’s problems, this is insignificant.

  19. JDay Says:

    Whoa whoa there Pedro nobody calls it pot anymore. What they won’t tell anybody about these wild fires is that they are natural.
    MJB I was wondering the exact same thing. Most people who aren’t car enthusiasts such as us couldn’t give a sh*t less what suppliers make stuff for what cars. It is likely to have zero influence over there purchasing desicions. Do people weigh in on who makes what parts for there tvs or cell phones? Most Americans don’t even care what part of the planet there foods coming from.

  20. MJB Says:

    17. I hear you. But I guess I just need to see more in order recognize the value it adds to the manufacturer/supplier relationship.

    And I do realize I’m behind the curve on social media. I’m only 44 and I’m resisting it as if I were 74. Guess it’s time to start embracing…

  21. HtG Says:

    18 CBS and Reuters have the story, in addition to the usual suspects. But there’s one story being buried on Friday. Now onto another possible vw revelation this afternoon…, late,….

    Speaking of vw, if the NOX emissions fix forces more EGR, what happens when extra exhaust is forced by the intake valves which aren’t being bathed in fuel because it’s a direct injection engine? No way vw designed the system to cope with all that carbon, or did they?

  22. Rob Says:

    It makes sense for certain suppliers to make presence on social media if they are an OE supplier and have an aftermarket department. Company’s like Firestone that sell tires to the carco’s and Joe Shmoe need their name to be known. If you provide steering collumns to the OE I dont see many people caring who the manufacturer is, was and doubt they will be in the market for one. Tires, brakes, lights, exhaust and some interior parts that people will replace it makes sense. My $0.02

  23. MJB Says:


    Now that makes sense. Guess I should have made that clarification in the beginning.

    I definitely see merit for social media use by tier one OEMs who also supply items directly to end users. But as you pointed out (and as I was singularly thinking about before) the average component wiring harness or injection molded wiper fluid reservoir suppliers simply need not get all encumbered with that whole Twitter feeding, Facebook liking, YouTube video posting bandwagon.

  24. G.A.Branigan Says:

    My favorite internet things are automotive forums/news such as this one.It’s informative,and ‘socially’ interactive,which lends a feeling of belonging.I like that,it gives me the warm fuzzies,lmao.

    For more ‘in your face’ stuff,including politics,I belong to a group of former vietnam pilots and crewmembers forum where we can talk like we do in real life,and thoroughly discuss items of common interest without worrying about a ban hammer being dropped on us.We even have a ‘token’ fixed wing pilot that provides us with hours of fun.

  25. Brett Says:

    Yes, but misspelling it as “Gault” is so much more dismissive of the entire philosophy. :)

    California is America’s socio-economic laboratory because so darned many people want to live and work there. Dismiss it all you want, but California is where this country figures out what the future is going to be like. Note that they’ve thrown out all the austerian “fiscal conservatives” and now have eradicated their deficit and have a booming economy once more. Expect to see that across the entire country over the next couple of election cycles.

  26. LVcurious Says:

    Are the Hyundai engines direct injection? Because they have been known to create a lot of particles and smog……, is this recall about the particles inside the engine or outside the engine?

  27. pedro fernandez Says:

    #26 It’s an internal problem with metal shavings that are causing the problems.

  28. G.A.Branigan Says:

  29. LVcurious Says:

    #27 I have hard time believing that – there is two different engine sizes manufactured over two years. I can see that there is a problem with one batch or so, but two engines over two years, I have my doubts.

  30. pedro fernandez Says:

    Is this Sonatashavingsgate?

  31. HtG Says:

    I found two kinda technical articles on vw’s diesels. I’ll post links. I’m getting scared that it’s not going to be a reflash and some losses in power and mileage.

    vw ea288 motor

  32. HtG Says:

    and the Audi V6 TDI

    Like really scared. Why is a V6 diesel from Audi so different from a vw inline 4? If the cheat was integral to the function, I want to hurl.

  33. HtG Says:

    whoop, sorry. Here’s the Audi V6 link

  34. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Thanks for the links HtG.Now I may very well be wrong,but after reading about the two egr systems on the vw diesel,I would say there in lies the lie.I think that is what was/is being turned off,or bypassed so it doesn’t go back into the cylinders for recombustion.

  35. HtG Says:

    NYT has a piece on vw. The money shot is that it was US regulators who discovered the software which was altering the emissions controls. Regulators then rigged test equipment to prove it.

    “One day last summer, the regulators made a startling discovery: A subroutine, or parallel set of instructions, was secretly being sent by the computer to what seemed to be the emissions controls.

    Regulators set out to cheat the cheat, tweaking lab test parameters to trick the car into thinking it was on the road. The Volkswagens began spewing nitrogen oxide far above the legal limit.”

    So vw didn’t even fess up. They got nailed. And if you read the story, it’s just coincidence which vw cars were tested.


  36. pedro fernandez Says:

    If these cars had used urea, would they still fail the tests?

  37. HtG Says:

    From what I’ve found the vw ea288 engine out since 2015 model year uses urea injection. And current cars are impounded.

    Here’s a video on the 2015 Jetta. At about 5min we see that urea is used.

    So tell me, why would only the 4 cylinder models have the cheat code? Why not an Audi V6? I really hope the prestige Audis are OK. Really, they better be.

  38. HtG Says:

    vw warned years ago by Bosch not to use cheatware for regular operation, according to German news.

  39. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Oh man…..VW is fubared on this.Thanx for the article HtG.

  40. HtG Says:

    The vw Fubar, coming this fall. Sounds like a name they’d use.

    Green Car Reports is writing that there’s more news to come.

  41. pedro fernandez Says:

    Who knew that fahrvergnugen really meant “Screw’m over”

  42. G.A.Branigan Says:


  43. HtG Says:

    The vw Porcelain Bus, you asked for it!

  44. HtG Says:

    Das Uh Oh

  45. G.A.Branigan Says:

  46. HtG Says:

    die Fubarigkeit, we don’t know what’s going on either! Ask your local dealer.

    (seriously though, don’t let it be the premium Audis. Please, please, please, please)

  47. HtG Says:

    45 yeah. I saw a Telegraph article last week where NOx levels in the EU have been seen not to decline over the years even as emissions limits have gone up. Though a defeat device is another matter.

  48. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ HtG: As I said earlier,I also honestly believe that if tested like the failing diesels are tested,I’m willing to bet that the new turbo everythings that are out wouldn’t really pass either.I do hope they start checking them too.

  49. HtG Says:

    maybe this vw debacle will change how cars are certified. Was it CARB or EPA that said they’re going to start testing in a way that they’re not going to disclose to the carcos? Like I said last week, you don’t want to mess with these people. (even though in real life, I twist the tiger’s tail a bit, for my own games[you can read about it on the internet!]. But man, don’t mislead them. Holy cow)

  50. pedro fernandez Says:

    Das polluter!

  51. HtG Says:

    math problems

    So if vw is fined the max in the US, that’s $18B for 500K cars. There are 11million cars affected worldwide, where they presumably have pollution laws.

    See where I’m going?

    500K x 22 = 11 million,

    so $18B x 22 = $396 Billion

    current market cap of vw is $52 Billion

    this could become a big problem

  52. G.A.Branigan Says:

    In steps macaroni with real,(??) clean diesels and saves vw…