AD #1726 – VW Could Lose Brands, Dyson Buys Sakti3, Qoros’s First SUV

October 20th, 2015 at 11:42am

Runtime: 6:46

- VW Could Lose Brands
- Dyson Buys Sakti3
- Win the Golf Trip of a Lifetime
- Qoros Reveals its First SUV
- GM’s Numbers, Good & Bad
- Barn Find: Can You ID This Car?

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47 Comments to “AD #1726 – VW Could Lose Brands, Dyson Buys Sakti3, Qoros’s First SUV”

  1. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Looks like the citroen sm.

  2. Wim van Acker Says:

    My guess: the car is a Panhard 24, mid sixties. I have seen them as a kid when travelling through France back then.

  3. G.A.Branigan Says:

    VW is going to get smaller,but what will happen the the suits that ordered the cheat codes?

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If VW needs cash, they could get some by selling the truck brands, but Bugatti and Lamborghini? I doubt it. Bugatti was created “just for fun,” to resurect an iconic name from the ’30′s, but I doubt it makes money, even though they cars are very pricey. Lamborghini might be sellable, if Sergio has some cash on hand, which is unlikely.

  5. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ #2: Wow,I thought panhard went out with wooden spokes,whoda thunk it…

  6. Wim van Acker Says:

    @1: the Citroen SM is larger and styled differently. It has been equipped with two engines during its production run, a 2.7 L and a 3.0 L V6 engine. Have a look at

  7. HtG Says:

    1,2 yep, Panhard 24

    I saw the car and thought Citroen because of the A pillar, roof, and headlights. But what clinched it was that John is a well known Citroen DS owner. So logically,….

  8. Bob Armitage Says:


  9. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ #2: You nailed it:

  10. Wim van Acker Says:

    @8: yep. Was a six year old gear head back then, spending hours and hours on the backseat druing long road trips, and when there are no video games, IPads, etc. to fill your brain cells, there is memory space available for Panhard’s :-) Such accumulated knowledge comes in handy 50 years later…

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 it has an engine about like a couple BMW bikes I had, except that it would be fan cooled in the car.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Panhard and their rod:

  13. Peter Tickle Says:

    It is a 1960′s Panhard 24.

  14. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ #9: I spent my time in the back seat of my dad’s Borg Ward Isabella,then a big Taunus,then a DKW Auto Union.That was back for 60,to 64.West Germany.I remember Daf’s,the little messerschmitts,Isettas,and others I no longer remember.

  15. Jonathan Says:

    Sorry to hear about vW potiential loss of Lamborghini.

    I think the barn find is an NSU with a rotary engine.

    Just a guess though.

  16. G.A.Branigan Says:

    I no longer remember the names of….Hey Ben,how’s about an edit button…please? ;}>

  17. Bob Gurr Says:

    Yep…Dyna Panhard. A few raced in Southern California around 1952.

  18. Jon M Says:

    VW should sell off brands (assets) to pay for the cheating–if doesn’t have enough cash of course. This is exactly what I was talking about the other day. It would be an affront to every person that buys and subsequently pays for VW’s misconduct if prices go up due to penalties. VW took the gamble and assumed the risks so now VW–not the consumer–pays the price.

  19. G.A.Branigan Says:

    or the workers…

  20. Perry Cartwright Says:

    And it has an 848 cc two cylinder air-cooled motor too! Yes, it’s rare here but it’s not hard to identify. This is a 1964-1967 Panhard 24 (probably a CT) — this is the very last Panhard model; the company was from 1965 under Citroën’s control so the facilities were need to reconfigure for their more direct purposes.

  21. HtG Says:

    That vw was willing to mislead regulators for year until confronted tells me they are desperate. Like, can’t stop hurling and crying desperate. They’ve all read Grimms’ Tales, you know. Selling a few brands isn’t solving anything. Management needs to be ax murdered.

    The DOJ is working.



  22. G.A.Branigan Says:

    “Ax Murdered”….extreme….but I like it.

  23. mike mason Says:

    BARN FIND IS A 1964-1967 PANHARD 24.

  24. Rob Says:

    VW new CEO Lizzie Borden?

  25. Bob Seeley Says:

    Always great to see you on the program, John.

  26. Bob Seeley Says:

    #2 nailed it I believe.

  27. Toni Bajer Says:

    Thanks to my cousin who likes to send me photos of old European cars (which I appreciate), I know it’s definitely a Panhard 24 from the mid 60′s.

  28. Wim van Acker Says:

    @24: Yes, and the Autoline TV team just delivered the vehicle at my office, with a bow around it. The engine is not starting, yet, but that is probably a minor issue.

  29. John Says:

    Today the “Show Transcript” button does not work.

  30. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ 26: Just drop in a small block chebby/5 spd/ford 9″/coil overs/sway bars and rock on ;}>

  31. HtG Says:

    One track minds think alike, GA ;)

  32. pedro fernandez Says:

    So Consumer’s Reports took the Tesla S from its recommended list due to so many gremlins, I knew it was too good to be true that a brand new auto maker can get off the ground with such excellent results when others that have been at it for almost a century still get it wrong!

  33. HtG Says:

    Has Elon responded yet?

    I saw the CR vid, but I wonder what the spread is on reliability between cars today. One or two issues in the first few years?

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 I’m not surprised that there are reliabity issues, with all that complexity, coming from a tiny design staff, compared to a normal car company. The term “underdeveloped” often applies to low volume cars, even expensive ones. So far, the customers seem to be happy, because Elon will send someone to fix the car, wherever it may have broken down.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30 No twitter response from Elon yet.

    The S’s reliability is “below average,” rather than “much below average,” so it shouldn’t be terrible.

  36. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ HtG: I think it’s s sickness we have….hope it’s catching ;}>

  37. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Kit: I just filled up and crunched the numbers,97% city driving with an average spd of 23mph,(blistering I know),anyways 24.4 mpg.Everytime I fill it up it gets better.I’m liking this a lot.

  38. pedro fernandez Says:

    One of the biggest complaints about the Tesla is the the door handle that won’t extend out so you can open the door, an unnecessary thing they put in there for the sake of looking stylish, when a regular flush door handle would have sufficed.

  39. cwolf Says:

    VW will have to resolve their issues the best way they see fit. It was said four variations were developed to fool the regulations, therefore many more higher-ups than just programmers were involved in this deception. To avoid hurting the workers, I would give VW the choice of a massive fine or for those involved to admit guilt and suffer a lesser fine. A few escape goats ,just to protect the boards elite is not sufficient.
    VW may have fooled the reliability survey media, but reliable and trustworthy they are not! I don’t think VW stock is in my future and never was.

  40. Kit Gerhart Says:

    34 That’s pretty good. I’d have a hard time getting that with my van, and I have to shift gears manually.

  41. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Some tesla woes:

  42. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Good catch on the Citroen Panhard (everyone); I got the Citroen but was clueless on the model.

    And wondering with VW, whether an intelligent engineer, but not bright, brought the cheating proposition to management (perhaps as a lark) or whether a ‘suit’ came to engineering with a request for the dual fuel-map. Doesn’t matter in the long run as the results are both wrong, just another curious question I’ve been thinking about.

    And just back from a five day trip (S.C. to N.J.) via a rented, fairly well equipped Suburban (2015); details if anyone wants them, ask.

  43. pedro fernandez Says:

    #38 That is like riding with a drunken buddy, no thanks! I think I’d rather drive myself, cannot believe the govt allows this on the road.

  44. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #38 It doesn’t look like s3lf-driving cars are ready for prime time, just yet. I’ll want to be extra wary if I see a Tesla coming toward me.

  45. pedro fernandez Says:

    I was gonna blame the alcohol in the gas, then I remembered this is an EV. Oops!

  46. wmb Says:

    Just sad to see that due to actions of a few leaders at the top, everything from brands to personal (that had nothing to do who those decisions) will be in someway affected! IMHO, VW could/should have done some much more with Bugatti. All that engineering in just ONE product? What ever happened to the W16 engined sedan to to compete with the Royals Royce Phantom? Lamborghini on the other hand has flourished under VW/Audi oversight. While it might be hard to watch the Bug roll back into the history books with so much pent up potential, what would be worst is if the Lam found itself headed in the same direction or coming under the stewardship of an organization that doesn’t appreciate what they have!

  47. Mike Matthews Says:

    Looks like a 67 Panhard