AD #1734 – Volvo Tests Kangaroo Detection, Scion SEMA Cars, Can VW Owners Refuse Engine Fix?

October 30th, 2015 at 11:46am

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- Nissan Tests Auto Pilot
- Volvo Kangaroo Detection Technology
- Scion Teases SEMA Cars
- Euro Emission Tests Scrutinized
- Can VW Owners Refuse Engine Fix?

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33 Comments to “AD #1734 – Volvo Tests Kangaroo Detection, Scion SEMA Cars, Can VW Owners Refuse Engine Fix?”

  1. pedro fernandez Says:

    I wonder if this Volvo technology will work on distracted morons who are transfixed on their phones and are completely oblivious to traffic as they cross the street.

  2. HtG Says:

    vw

    I want to serve popcorn in the conference room when the DOJ lawyers ask vw how they’re going to make sure diesel owners get their cars legalized. What happens if someone comes in to reset their tire pressure monitor? Does the dealer commandeer the car to do the day’s work of fixing the emissions? Should vw owners bring their car in for service now before there’s a fix?

    A bit of a house of horrors, I’d say. I’m sure the NADA boss will make things perfectly clear for me.
    —-
    Volvo

    Well you know Pedro, Volvo is saying the system is being designed to deal with that erratic creature, The Kangaroo. So maybe the learnings from Oz will bring hope to morons everywhere.

  3. Lisk Says:

    #1 – “Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious”.

    also VW owners on not getting their diesels fixed. It’s looking more like the bulk of these cars are going to be older models and most likely not in the hands of the original owners. I doubt most of these folks are going to feel the “guilt” of not getting their green car fixed. If there is no echeck in their city/state, they won’t have to get them fixed.

  4. Rob Says:

    VW William Fox is delusional. He really thinks people will just do the “right thing”? The right thing is a matter of view point. The VW owner bought their car with the level of performance that was falsified by VW. From their perspective it is not their wrong to fix. The company made the mistake and they need to do the right thing not the consumer. It’s nice to think people will just willingly bring their car in to accept lesser performance but I don’t see that being the majority.

  5. dcars Says:

    I can see emissions testing becoming more wide spread as a part of state vehicle inspections.

  6. Dave Morton Says:

    The Volvo Kangaroo Detection system looks ideal for precluding deer/car collisions in Michigan and other heavily deer populated states.

  7. HtG Says:

    Oh wait, didn’t vw’s Mueller say they may be setting up stand alone shops to fix the cars?

    I don’t think I can safely watch Autoline this week. I’ll throw a rod, if I listen to dealer speak.

  8. C-Tech Says:

    As the VW Diesel soap opera continues I expect states with mandatory emissions testing will require proof that the recall was done. In states or areas without emission testing it will be up to the owner. If I were at DOJ I would tie your rebate / incentive check to getting the recall done.

  9. gary susie Says:

    Its only a matter of time before the gov. mandates that they all be repaired or you won’t be able to drive the car.

  10. HtG Says:

    Maybe the govt structures the fines so the more cars get fixed the less vw has to pay.

    (and the sooner their execs get out of jail. ok ok, I know, cheap shot)

  11. Brett Says:

    If you are a VW dealership and you do not “repair” a vehicle that is not in compliance with Federal emissions regulations, does that not make you complicit in violating that regulation?

    The owner of the vehicle is a different story as they are the consumer and the regulations bind the manufacturer and dealer to compliance, not so much the consumer.

  12. william schultz Says:

    So…Is clean Diesel an oxymoron?

  13. WineGeek Says:

    IMHO most of the purchasers of VW Diesels were looking for high mileage and ecological benefits. This would lead me to believe they will want their diesels to be fixed. Now we will have to see what the real world brings over the next few months!

  14. Mikey Says:

    How much cost will autonomous driving add to a vehicle? Will it be cheaper to just get a chauffeur?

  15. Rob Says:

    #8 An what is to stop folks from getting online and purchasing a patch to configure their car right back as it was before the fix or even worse emit more particulate with a performance based configuration? Answer= nothing. Under test conditions they would still pass and who would know?

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The VW dealers may be obligated to do the “fix” on cars that come in for service, but the TDI owners who don’t want their cars cleaned up, will just stay away from the dealers. States and communities with emissions testing may come up with a way to force owners to have their cars re-programmed, but I don’t see that happening in Wyoming, or even Florida.

  17. MJB Says:

    13. Good point, because you know there most certainly will be an aftermarket ‘patch’ for folk to use (if they are mechanically/tech savvy enough to implement it) to bring the cars performance back to its previous state.

    But the real determining factor in all this is proof of what performance numbers will look like once the engines are re-tuned. If we’re only looking at a 1mpg drop and 1/2sec slower 0-60 time, I think your average driver might be willing to live with that.

  18. W L Simpson Says:

    If VW owner suffers thru the recall diddling, what does he have to show for it ?

  19. MJB Says:

    16. The knowledge that they’ve made the world a cleaner place.;) Oh, what a feeling! My bad, that was Toyota…

  20. omegatalon Says:

    One would think a VW owner of a TDI that refuses to accept an engine fix will be required to sign a document that says this which relieves VW from any further responsibility and means the owner will essentially be flushing the cost spent to buy the car because they won’t be able to get a license and registration renewal.

  21. Marshall Says:

    Considering that the VW diesel vehicles sold were clearly in violation of clean Air laws when sold, any action would depend on how the Government decides to proceed. I say that technically they could prohibit owners from getting their vehicle registration and license plates renewed unless they are repaired, thus making it illegal to operate the vehicle on the road.

  22. pedro fernandez Says:

    Trump will deport both the car and the owner to Mexico, no matter where they came from if they refuse repairs.

  23. Rob Says:

    @18 The Gov can issue anything they want but the bottom line is once the car is repaired their is nothing preventing an owner from changing it right back. It passes the tests and paperwork would show the repair was done.

    The software is already written just needs to be copied and reloaded after the repair is made. Its a huge mess.

  24. Rob Says:

    Plus no one has answered the bigger question about the engines durability with the fix. Can the EGR system handle 100k miles with the emissions fix?

  25. Lisk Says:

    If you bring your car to a servicing new car dealership for any kind of service (i.e. oil change) and there is a safety recall on the car (providing a fix is available) dealers can’t release the car back to the owner until it is repaired. Since this is an emissions issue, I’m not clear what the dealer can or is required to to as far as repairing other issues with the car. My bet is VW is clear with the dealers that the cars will have to be repaired. This is certainly going to foul the relationship with the owners even further, should they not want the cars “fixed”.

  26. Chuck Grenci Says:

    While it will certainly be easier to comply with the VW diesel fix in states that have yearly inspection/emissions testing, morally the fix should be universal and within the letter of the law; individuals would then be responsible for getting the car corrected. While my statement is a “pie in the sky” statement, and will not be universally adopted, the majority of engines will probably be repaired. And as far as clean diesel being an oxymoron, I say no; with urea injection and particulate filters, they just may be as clean or cleaner than any other ICE.

  27. HtG Says:

    Why not just buy the car rather than fix it? I looked up the value of a 2009 Jetta TDI with 80K miles, and it’s worth about 7K as a trade and 11 retail for top condition cars. Would it make some sense for vw to offer people good money to just trade for a new car? You’d need to make fewer fix bodges, older cars would be off the road, and sales would increase. vw then junks the car, and parts get resold as used.

  28. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Chuck G,#24: I agree.

  29. Bob Wilson Says:

    Relax, the only TDIs that will be fixed are those the dealer owns. Those currently on the lot and those taken in trade or bought at auction. As for 3d party sellers of used TDIs, that is TBD.

    If the EPA declares that used car companies must have their TDI inventory ‘fixed’ before sale, the problem is rapidly solved through normal turnover. Might even include the auction houses that handle trade-in vehicles. The remaining, privately owned cars will age out of the fleet naturally.

    No, I don’t see individual TDI owners as being all that interested in the VW lie, “clean”. So let them keep them until the ‘wheels fall off.’ Just stop digging the hole deeper by making sure future TDI sales from either VW or used car companies not sell the illegal “defeat device” diesels and time will solve the problem.

    Bob Wilson

  30. jack576 Says:

    Nobody can force an owner to have their car fixed, but they are motivators that can make you want to fix it. The Motor Vehicle could force you not to use your car on the rode. Which do you want, a car that sits at home doing nothing or a car that will get less mileage than before, but can be used on the road?

  31. jack576 Says:

    Nobody can force an owner to have their car fixed, but they are motivators that can make you want to fix it. The Motor Vehicle could force you not to use your car on the rode. Which do you want, a car that sits at home doing nothing or a car that will get less mileage than before, but can be used on the road?

  32. Dave Foley Says:

    The VW conundrum is interesting. Fix the car, and have the consumer mad at you for reduced performance, and increased emissions, or DON’T fix the car, and continue the fraud of “Clean” at the expense of the environment.

    My solution would be that VW should incentivize having the update done for each and every VW owner. Calculate what the ‘typical’ owner would end up paying extra in fuel costs after the update is completed, and take that out for a good length of miles driven. For the sake of discussion, lets call it 75,000 miles. Then double that amount of dollars as compensation cash for the reduced performance the owner will have to deal with going forward.

    I don’t know what that number might end up with, but it would need to be a sizeable chunk of change to get every owner to at least think about the upgrade. Off the top of my head, I’d put a minimum incentive price of $500 on it.

    The legalese of responsibility and property rights, and compliance is all well and good, but sometimes you have to compensate people to convince them to do the best thing for the environment. This is especially true since many people bought TDI VW’s because they thought they WERE making a good choice for the environment. And they are going to be CHOKED if all they get from the upgrade is a warm fuzzy feeling, and a thirstier slower car.

  33. Brandon Says:

    I own a 2013 Passat TDI and if my dealer will not touch my car if they try to force the fix on me. They even make a ODB lock I might even purchase.