AD #1744 – New Retrofit Platoon Kit, Karma Automotive Teams With BMW, New Nissan Titan to Fill “White Space”

November 13th, 2015 at 11:48am

Runtime: 8:16

- New Retrofit Platoon Kit
- Karma Automotive Teams with BMW
- Kia Releases New Cadenza Sketches
- Nissan Believes New Titan Will Fill “White Space”
- Can VW Even Fix Cheating Engines?

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40 Comments to “AD #1744 – New Retrofit Platoon Kit, Karma Automotive Teams With BMW, New Nissan Titan to Fill “White Space””

  1. dcars Says:

    Thanks for all the technology info today. It’s all great stuff.

  2. Bob Wilson Says:

    BTW, Autoline This Week #1935, excellent summary of the VW diesel issues. My biggest take-away, three way catalytic systems pretty well work at all power levels. In contrast, the NOx+SCR systems have a power level limit. At low levels, no problem but at maximum power, it really needs to be a big one. Excellent 30 minute program, well worth the listen time.

    Bob Wilson, Huntsville, AL

  3. Lex Says:


    Love the look of the show. Please let the team who worked on it that it is much appreciated!

    Will the New Retrofit Platoon Kit include accident avoidance systems? I could see very bad Semi-Trailer accidents when platooning is employed with multiple vehicles running in tandem. What is your opinion?

  4. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Lex – According to Peloton Technology’s website its system does include forward collision avoidance technology. The platooning technology is being tested in the real-world now on prototypes and it will eventually have to pass regulatory scrutiny.

  5. Drew Says:

    Great to see Csaba again. Make him a “regular”.

    With respect to the Nissan Titan, their “white space” must have lots of Ford oval blue and Ram red in it. The blue – drop belt line, nostril grille, scalloped tail lamps, ducktail tailgate. The red – diesel engine and interior trim. While they were copying everyone else, they took the Toyota box side sculptures. I predict this truck will be still born due to its lack of originality (truckers don’t buy copies; they prefer authentic hardware).

  6. MJB Says:

    Very attractive Kia Cadenza (sketches). But isn’t there typically a multi-year year gap between the release of concept sketches like those and final production? You mentioned, Sean, this car would be available ‘next year’. Interesting…

  7. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Will the ‘platooning’ of trucks be limited to a certain number; I can see rolling-roadblock scenarios, which may not even involve the truck(s) that lead to autos to do stupid moves to make passes on semi-busy highways. I’m thinking that there will be rules before allowing ‘platooning’ to commence but also thinking there will need to be rules for when it (a platooning event) to end.

  8. Jonathan Says:

    Maybe now is the time to go buy a preowned vW diesel off craigslist?

    What years do they think will be offering a new vW to replace an old dirty diesel?

    Then what does vW do with those buy backs? Ship the. To countries where the government doesn’t care?

    South America?

    Will owners have trouble getting a registration and emissions certification every time your inspection is due?

  9. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Chuck – The way Peloton’s website makes it sound, its technology will only work with a pair of trucks.

  10. Rob Says:

    #7 I was thinking the sme thing Chuck. Platooning on a 4 lane hwy is one thing but on a two lane hwy it would be a hazzard.
    Imagine pulling out thinking your passing 70ft of truck and trailer only to find out there is 250ft of trucks with only 30-40ft between them.

    Nissan makes good point that most truck owners want basically the capabiity of a one ton in their 1/2 ton. I can see the demise of the 1/2 & 3/4 ton and soon just marketed as luxury HD and work truck trim levels.

  11. Drew Says:

    Rob, the terms 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, and 1 ton are relics. Today’s so-called 1/2 ton trucks have been in a one-ups-manship war over payload and trailer tow capacity for several generations now. So, today’s 1/2 ton is as capable as a 3/4 ton from 20 years ago. Make no mistake, the highest volume of the market is in the so-called 1/2 ton segment. And it’ll stay that way because most people don’t have the space for a 1-ton duallie (very few 1-ton models are not duallies due to limitations on tire load ratings).

  12. Buzzerd Says:

    @chuck. Good point, I believe that would actually be against the law in some areas. You would want to limit it to multi lane roads.

  13. G.A.Branigan Says:

    I think Nissan will have a hit with their new diesel titan.I’m sure they will sell some of the Platinum series,but for us ‘common folk’,the lesser trim levels will do just fine by most,and those will sell.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Most of the “1/2 ton” and “3/4 ton” pickups I see on the road typically have an actual payload of zero, or maybe a bag or two of groceries. Americans just like trucks, and some like to brag about how much they can tow, never mind that they will never tow anything. You see some of the same, regarding bragging rights about 0-60 times, etc., with cars.

  15. HtG Says:

    Kit, it’s like Enzo Ferrari said, ‘I don’t sell people cars, I sell fantasies.’

    Still, I’m ashamed to say I feel ashamed in the Civic. Pathetic. This car does everything a skilled drive might want and is fuel efficient and reliable. I can beat the shit out of anyone who isn’t going in a straight line. It carries a fluffton of stuff if you need. Yet my need for status display guts me. You bet the carcos exploit this.

  16. HtG Says:

    To be honest, I look at almost every car today, with their driver aids, as moving from the adult to the kiddie table from a driving ability angle.

  17. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Todays 1/2 ton pickups are just too damn big.But,they sell like hotcakes,mpg’s be damned.Oh well,that’s life.I’m so happy with my mini-mini van.What a ball to drive,especially through the mountain passes I have go do.I’m averaging 26.11 in mountain driving,5/6/7% grades.Complaints: The top of the line 6 speaker stereo sounds like shit,period.The tom tom nav sux butt,period.Only one speed for the ‘intermittent’ setting on the windshield wipers……FCA,REALLY??? Other then what I listed,it’s pretty fun to look at and drive.I’ll give it 4 stars out of 5.

  18. omegatalon Says:

    There is no easy fixes for their TDI emissions as one has to wonder whether removing the turbocharger would help emissions as the other viable solutions would be retrofitting a urea injection system or simply replacing the engine with a gas motor which may not be legal either because of their CO2 emissions.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 The one speed “intermittent” must be a Euro thing. My Mini is that way too, and I don’t much like it.

  20. HtG Says:

    The fricking Versa has five or six settings for intermittent wiper. Dafuqq? It’s a cheap piece of…

  21. HtG Says:


    vw seeking $20B in funds to deal with scandal costs. They already have about $28B in their knickers. Sure, no problems. Move along folks.

    I love Friday afternoon news.

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It seems that all American and Asian cars have had multiple intermittent settings for many years. My ’89 Caravan has them. The Mini has a very convenient single wipe function, but I don’t understand the one speed intermittent. Do BMW-badged BMW’s have multi-speed intermittent?

  23. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Yeah,this was a first in many many years and vehicles.

  24. Bob Says:

    Is that it, John? Have we lost ya? :-(

  25. shan Says:

    Baffles me how people can afford trucks, with average cost of $35k and $45k for fully optioned

  26. HtG Says:


    More than 440K now cars added to implausible CO2 numbers.

  27. HtG Says:

    …more than 400K…. Sorry

  28. pedro fernandez Says:

    What do you get when you combine worn tires, struts, rain-slicked roads and a curve? The Crapolla doing a 360 degree slide exiting the FL t-pike, occupants and car are ok, thanks to the Lord!

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25, 26 Plus probabably about 11M in Europe.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27 Glad you’re all ok. It sounds a little scary, though. I suspect you might have been shaking a bit afterward.

  31. pedro fernandez Says:

    Shaking, rattling and rolling> Note to self: SLOW DOWN

  32. Drew Says:

    Our 2001 Miata has only one speed for its intermittent wipers. But this is a fair weather vehicle for us, so we can easily live with it.

    Single speed intermittent wipers are shameful on everyday grocery getters.

  33. HtG Says:

    Yipes, Pedro. I’m glad no one was hurt.

  34. pedro fernandez Says:

    Thanks, guys, this upcoming week will be getting much needed new rubber, rear struts and replace wiggly tie rods. Amazingly, no other cars were near me in a normally busy exit.

  35. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Glad you made it Okay pedro; yep, new rubber at the minimum.

  36. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Damn Pedro,please do slow down.

    I just watched the autoline week about the vw debacle.Lots of good info,and some educated speculation from the experts too.Great show.Csaba(sp) touched on something towards the end,about turbo,(boosted) diesels make more emissions.I had hoped he would offer some insight on the turbo gassers that are now common place.They are boosted,also have increased cyl pressures and temps.I know the fuels are different,but I find it hard to believe that a Ford 2.7 with compound turbos,making a ton of hp,and torque,are as clean as claimed.Jmho…

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Turbo diesels make more NOx emissions, but non-turbo diesels emit lots of soot and unburned hydrocarbons. Also, non-turbo diesels are extremely doggy. Have you driven a Rabbit diesel, or Benz 240d lately?

    I’ve wondered about the turbo gassers too, especially the ones running very high boost. I’d think they’d emit lots of NOx, but maybe the 3 way catalysts take care of it.

  38. Earl Says:

    Anyone that bought a Nissan Titan was an established cheapskate in the community. The one buyer got his in the spring of 2014. It had sat on the dealers lot for 10 months and the manufacturer sticker on the inside door post had a date of Dec 12. Nissan should price these trucks at 20% below a F Series or Silverado on day one instead of waiting 18 months to do it.

  39. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26 Actually, even the highly boosted gassers probably wouldn’t emit NOx like diesels, because gassers have stoichometric fuel/air, while diesels run lean, with oxygen rich combustion chambers.

  40. XA351GT Says:

    Kia ,that’s a awesome idea. Bring more hybrids and EVs to market seeing as they are selling so well.