AD #1789 – Germany Argues Over EV Incentives, Cadillac CT6 Rear End Styling Insights, Hyundai Jumping Into Mobility

February 1st, 2016 at 11:52am

Runtime: 8:40

- Germany Argues Over EV Incentives
- Fuel Cost Comparison
- Cadillac CT6 Rear End Styling Insights
- Rolex 24 Race Results
- Hyundai to Jump on Mobility Bandwagon

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34 Comments to “AD #1789 – Germany Argues Over EV Incentives, Cadillac CT6 Rear End Styling Insights, Hyundai Jumping Into Mobility”

  1. Lisk Says:

    Am I the only one who sees some styling cues of the CT6 from the 1980-84 bustleback Sevilles? The tail lamps are vertical rather than horizontal, but the profiles seem similar.

    24 hours of Daytona. First off, Kudos to for broadcasting the entire race commercial free! I used my Chromecast toe watch it on my TV, and the sound and video was awesome! In the GTLM, my Corvettes won but I was really looking forward to a real race with the Ford GTs. Watching Corvette battle the 911s and M6s was good, but adding a competitive cross town rival would have been really awesome. It looks like IMSA has good parity in the class.

  2. Kenneth Wood Says:

    The design of the Cadillac CT6 is a trip back to the 1950′s or 1960′s. What is with the giant gap around the tail lights?

  3. Sean McElroy Says:

    #2 – I think the giant gap you’re seeing is actually a shadow. The rear taillights protrude out from the decklid.

  4. RumNCoke Says:

    I hope Cadillac has gotten the bugs out of their CHMSL LED strips. I don’t know how many older Caddies I have seen with several LED elements burned out. It really makes the car look cheesey.

  5. W L Simpson Says:

    The CT6 should be offered in a Shooting Brake style, no wood trim , of course. Looked hard at the previous wagon , no class or style. Probably didn’t sell many.

  6. Marshall Says:

    Everytime you use the word ‘Mobility’ in your stories I think you are talking about vehicles for the disabled, as in wheelchair vans and the like.

  7. Rob Says:

    Not sure why the Cadillac styling is getting attention now as the verticle headlight and tail light design has been around since the 2004 CTS.
    Also I used to work in the exhaust industry and the OE bright tips have always been welded on so not sure how CT6 is breaking new ground.

  8. XA351GT Says:

    Until they get the price of EVs down around a ICE equivalent I think they will remain a hard sell. Fuel cost is a little less than 1/2 but they cost nearly double a comparative ICE model. Also once you add in battery costs to replace them I think they get even harder to justify. Unless the government keeps giving away money to buy them They will sit on showrooms for a long time. There is a lot more to consider than just the cost of fuel. I would think that the rates to work on them are higher than ICE vehicles due to not as many mechanics being trained to work on them. I remember ALD saying that Fiat has to sell 5 ICE 500s to pay for 1 EV 500 . That cost can not continue for manufacturers to survive if they start selling tem on a mass scale.

  9. Jonathan Says:

    Corvettes rule and fords drool

  10. HtG Says:

    This is true

    Man, would a rivalry be neat, huh?

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The fuel cost for a Prius is about the same as for an EV, and the Prius is much more convenient to own, because you don’t need a place to plug it in. Also, there’s no “range anxiety.”

    For the foreseeable future, regular hybrids will be the powertrain of choice, for those seeking low operating cost.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I suspect there will soon be a Ford-Chevy rivalry in sports car racing. It is just a matter of time before Ford gets things sorted out.

  13. HtG Says:

    11. Market forces are one thing, but if Beijing decides to use regulation to encourage EVs and hybrids, it’s gonna happen. Already is; these cars are being greenlighted today because of the China market.

  14. HtG Says:

    12 Balance of Performance hidden hands might make it a sure thing, Kit.

  15. Lex Says:

    I am CUV shopping and the Ford Escape for 2017 is on my list since now it has now the front end of the Ford Edge which I recommend many moons ago. I love the front end but the new rear tail lights are awful! I favor the former rear tail lights from the current Ford Edge. Those tail lights wrap around the rear and are much nicer than the ones on the 2017 model IMHO.

  16. HtG Says:

    What are your priorities, Lex? I think the interior space in the Escape is awesome.

  17. Brett Says:

    The tail light treatment on the CT6 reminds me strongly of the Hyundai XG350. Not good.

  18. FSTFWRD Says:

    The lowest tier on my electrical bill is $0.17 per kWh, goes to $.20 at 335 kWh, then jumps to $.39 per kWh at 436 kWh. So to me, 0.12 kWh is way cheaper than I can buy electricity. Not sure I agree with that “cost” analysis. Hmmm…..

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 Where do you live? My power is about 10 cents/kwh where I am in Florida, and it’s even less where I spend summers in Indiana.

  20. XA351GT Says:

    HtG @ #13 Funny isn’t China demands a EV market and no on there or here wants them.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    People everywhere would be more likely to want EV’s, if they had places to plug them in. I’m guessing that there will be more charge stations in China, where the powers that be are willing to spend money on infrastructure.

  22. HtG Says:

    20 If EV and plug-ins get govt support in China, think about how much cleaner the air will be if commuter traffic is electric and without emissions. The govt can also give perks like better parking, lower registration fees. Not a democracy over there.

  23. HtG Says:

    22. crxn

    …without tailpipe emissions. I know

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 They just need to make sure the coal fired power plants are not upwind of, or in the cities.

  25. HtG Says:

    I know, I know ;)

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I knew you knew.

  27. C-Tech Says:

    @21 Funny you should mention charging being an obstacle, when Hertz Orlando rented Leafs (Leaves? ) they would regularly be towed back because renters had no place to charge them while on vacation.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27 It sounds like Hertz should rent Volts, so people could experience what electric driving is like, without the need for the flatbed.

  29. FSTFWRD Says:

    @19 San Diego County, CA

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 Thanks for info.

  31. J Guy Says:

    CT6 – I’m picking up a strong aura of Bangle Butt.

  32. Roger T Says:

    Well designed, well executed suv fail example was Isuzu Axiom, it looked very sharp back then yet not a success. Perhaps Hyundai has bigger scale to make something like that work. Having competition to a half success of a truck (Ridgekine) helps or splits the mediocre volume? Not sure.

    I’m also not sure how a rectangular shaped headlight is described as emotional, maybe so if you love Silverados.

    Car replicas I would look at would include mid 50s Chrysler 300s, Chevy coupes and trucks.

  33. Roger T Says:

    11 – I estimate I spend $.016/mile in town on electricity on my 2013 Volt. At 50 miles/ gal on a 2016 Prius gas would need to cost $0.80/gal to match that. I commonly get around 2 cents/mile when driving 60 miles in a charge (a few miles on has that is). This considers 90% charging efficiency and my S FL electricity rate.

  34. Marshall Says:

    #33 You are forgetting something. To get an accurate costs per mile you need to compare more than just the gas vs electricity costs. Insurance and maintenance have a huge impact on costs per mile.