AD #1870 – Big Shake-Ups at FCA, Iconic Muscle Cars Crash Tested, Why Europe Has an Emissions Situation

May 24th, 2016 at 11:57am

Runtime: 7:37

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- Bigland Gets Alfa Romeo & Maserati
- Maserati Alfieri Gets the Axe
- Alfa Romeo Goes CUV Crazy
- IIHS Crash Tests Iconic Muscle Cars
- Renault Twizy Going to Korea
- GMC Unveils New Trailering Features for Sierra
- Why Europe Has an Emissions Situation

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18 Comments to “AD #1870 – Big Shake-Ups at FCA, Iconic Muscle Cars Crash Tested, Why Europe Has an Emissions Situation”

  1. Chuck Grenci Says:

    The website won’t play the show for me (without multiple interruptions); tried YouTube but it’s not posted yet………………arg! :)

  2. Chuck Grenci Says:

    On John’s commentary: I wonder how many people have died because of the politicians rulings which allowed poorer than intended emissions (though loopholes); this in reference to the arbitrary guess that the VW emissions were killing people because of pollutants. Oh, that’s different (wink, wink, nudge, nudge).

  3. Sean McElroy Says:

    If you’re having trouble with the playback on our website, the YouTube version is now up.

  4. Rob Says:

    The German Transport Ministry has just as large a superego as VW. These are steps are textbook defense mechanisms.

    1) Denial; Or pretend to be ignorant of the issue.
    2) Devaluation; Pointing out the shortcomings of the Emission standards.
    3)Distraction; Place the focus on other.
    4) Dissociation; Soon to be raised issue that has nothing to do with emissions.

  5. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Politicians excel at screwing up a free lunch.

  6. Mark Says:

    I love this quote from John:

    “The German Government trusts GM about as far as they can throw them.”

  7. Chris Says:

    The report on sports car crash testing failed to mention that Mustang fared best on the overall test results. Frontal offset is one of many crash tests conducted.

  8. Lex Says:

    John,

    I agree with you completely!!! The German Government is trying to protect Dirty VW by throwing and spreading the dirt at any and/or all OEMs doing business in Europe and around the world. This cheating can not be limited only to the automotive industry in German. The fact is that VW needs to do more than it is proposing to compensate owners who own their vehicles. Electric vehicles are so much cleaner that diesels. I do not see a need for any more diesel powered cars to by produced, trucks yes for their towing and hauling capabilities.

    I myself would like to see an OEM like GM or Nissan produce a electric CUV like a Chevy Equinox, GMC Terrain or Nissan Roque with a 200+ mile range at a purchase price around $35K. These vehicles would sell like hotcakes especially if they could use the Tesla Super Chargers which are already spread around the country. Tesla has made their patents open and free so why doesn’t GM or Nissan (Mass Market Manufacturers) incorporate this technology into their current vehicles? The maintenance of a electric vehicle is far less than a ICE powered vehicle. There is no additional R&D costs, just retooling of the electronics in the vehicle. Twenty Years Ago GM came out this the Skateboard design of an electric powertrain which appears on the surface to be what Tesla is using in their vehicles. Imagine an all Electric Skateboard Powertrain which would accept almost any TopHat onto it.
    The possibilities would be endless.

  9. lisk Says:

    A note on the GMC Gooseneck. The ball & chain retainers for the hitch don’t come with it, they are $295 extra.

    Someone better throw Sergio a lifeline quick. While it would be a shame to see Alfa & Maserati go away, he has to realize they aren’t going to be a volume brand anytime soon, no matter how much money they invest nor who they put in charge.

  10. Roger Blose Says:

    The Pony Car crash results are interesting. The Mustang has aluminum front fenders and hood which may add to the decreased crush strength. And the Camaro with those 8 inch side windows, scored poorly in roof crush / roll over results. This is perplexing given there is not much to crush down. I would still prefer to have a head on crash with any of these three car given their “long hood” crush space over a Honda Fit, Fiesta, Mini, or 500.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #7 “I myself would like to see an OEM like GM or Nissan produce a electric CUV like a Chevy Equinox, GMC Terrain or Nissan Roque with a 200+ mile range at a purchase price around $35K.”

    Isn’t the Bolt going to be close to what you describe? At least, it looks CUVish to me. If the seats fold flat, or nearly so, it would be something I’d consider in the future, if my condo ever has EV charging stations.

    The steep slope of the A pillars of the “pony cars” would make rollover protection more difficult, than with more vertical pillars.

  12. Drew Says:

    I’d like to see IIHS perform those tests on imported RWD vehicles, particularly with V engines. RWD vehicles have narrower frame rails than FWD vehicles, so the IIHS test misses the crash structure on them. I’ll bet anyone, the domestics do better than the imports when comparing equivalent RWD architectures.

    Also, I know the IIHS test has extensive test-to-test variability. The video of the Challenger showed the impact occurred on the spoke of the front wheel. The results can be different if the impact is not on the spoke.

    Separately, it sounds like the European regulators/testers are about as scientific as the whack heads CARB, except the California whacks double book theoretical scientific technologies when doing their rules, while ignoring 3/4s of the cost.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Years ago, the Europeans started pushing diesel cars, for their fuel economy, but were less concerned about air quality in the cities. Now, with low sulphur fuel, the diesel exhaust isn’t destroying buildings and monuments like it did a few years ago, but the NOx emissions cause smag, and are unhealthy to breath. Today’s gas cars are more efficient, while attempts to clean up the diesels make them less efficient. Maybe it’s time for the Euros to rethink the diesel subsidy that has existed for years.

  14. GM Veteran Says:

    Sean,
    In the opening of your story on the pony car crash test results, you stated that none of the cars passed the small overlap test. Not true! The Camaro got the top rating of Good. The Mustang got an Acceptable rating. Challenger got a Marginal rating. You could argue that the Challenger did not pass with flying colors, but the Camaro got the highest possible rating. And most experts regard an Acceptable rating as passing. Just because the cars did not get Top Safety Pick doesn’t mean they didn’t do well. My understanding is that if the Camaro had the front collision warning feature that it would have earned the Top Safety Pick rating. (This technology is mandatory in order to earn that rating.)

  15. Drew Says:

    @13 – I agree. Also, I suspect I4 turbo or V6 models will perform better because F=MA (and the mass of the smaller power packs make a big difference when colliding into a rigid barrier). As the V8 is a lower volume engine, this test protocol breaks from IIHS tradition of testing the highest volume engine.

    It makes me wonder if IIHS is purposely trying to garner attention.

  16. Drew Says:

    @13 – I agree. Also, I suspect I4 turbo or V6 models will perform better because F=MA (and the mass of the smaller power packs make a big difference when colliding into a rigid barrier).

    As the V8 is a lower volume engine, this test protocol breaks from IIHS tradition of testing the highest volume engine. It makes me wonder if IIHS is purposely trying to garner attention.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    @14 I was thinking the same thing, unless maybe the V8 versions crash more often, justifying their being the ones tested.

  18. JIM PARSONS Says:

    You are the only source saying the Alfieri is cancelled. Everyone else is saying it has been delayed.

    Are you certain?