AD #1905 – VW Cheating May Go Back Further, Is The Diesel Dead?, Autonomous Chevy Bolt Spied On the Road

July 20th, 2016 at 12:02pm

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- VW Cheating May Go Back Further
- Is The Diesel Dead?
- Tesla Edits Its Name
- Another Automotive Scandal
- Autonomous Bolt Spied On the Road
- Autonomy Benefits Too Big To Ignore

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20 Comments to “AD #1905 – VW Cheating May Go Back Further, Is The Diesel Dead?, Autonomous Chevy Bolt Spied On the Road”

  1. Robert Michek Says:

    John, yes autonomous cars CAN possibly lead to less traffic deaths, that’s not really the issue here.
    the big issue is (IMHO) the RUSH to market, new technology rushed to the public is great with Apps, cell phones, tablets and appliances, but when it comes to Vehicles and their safety items…absolutely NOT!!
    extensive testing of every possible scenario and the durability of it should be 100% before it’s released to the public.
    (PS: I’ve worked in Automotive durability testing for 25 yrs)
    Thank you
    Rob

  2. GM Veteran Says:

    My thought is that Tesla was in a rush to be the first with self-driving technology and launched it without fully testing it, in essence using some of their owners as beta testers. All of the hoopla and boasting may have oversold the capabilities of the system somewhat, and owners may have overlooked or ignored the direction given by the company as to how to use it safely. The more “mature” car companies know from experience that you can’t count on the public to safely test your cars for you. That’s why they all have proving grounds with legions of test drivers and engineers putting vehicles through all types of testing so that they are ready for the real world when they are driven off the dealership lot. Tesla may learn a lesson here the hard way.

  3. Wim van Acker Says:

    Cheetah name on back of Bolt: VW should try to patent that name, for the “Volkswagen Cheetah Diesel”

  4. Buzzed Says:

    people are generally afraid of new technology, autonomy is no different.
    The plane they ride on pretty much flies it’s self and they have no idea, the computer keeps them from sliding off the slippery road but they don’t give it a second thought, a robot welded the natural gas pipeline that runs beside their house but what ever.. as long as I have hot water and heat. All that stuff is in the background so no one notices.

  5. RumNCoke Says:

    Isn’t the real challenge going to be smart autonomous vehicles trying to anticipate the bone-headed driving of humans in a non-autonomous world? Sure, when 100% of the cars on the road are autonomous, we’re going to realize all those safety benefits. Until then, it’s going to be the Wild West.

  6. Drew Says:

    John, I suspect most of your audience have technical backgrounds. They/we live in a world of facts, physics, and statistical calculations. As such, we cringe when you say “the benefits that autonomy offers is too big to ignore.” The benefits are theoretical at this time, and are subject to noise factors and other uncertainties. As such, I humbly suggest a slight revision – “the potential benefits…”

    I suspect Elon now wishes he had tempered his words.

  7. G.A.Branigan Says:

    I think one of the big mistakes Tesla made was naming their semi autonomous system “autopilot”.Too many people will not understand the difference between a true autopilot system as opposed to a semi autonomous system.

  8. Lisk Says:

    Other than Tesla, most other automakers refer to all of their driver aids as “assists”. For Tesla to call their system “autopilot” and no reinforce with the customers that these item only assist the driver, not really control the car.
    While the assists are certainly more advanced, they are not really much different than power assisted steering and brakes. They make the cars easier to drive, but the driver is still ultimately in control.

    VW and cheating? VW has managed to damage the brand even greater than Audi 5000 customers did in the late 80′s when they had trouble with the brake and accelerator pedal.

  9. John McElroy Says:

    #5. I thought you were correcting my English! I should have said “the benefits that autonomy offer are too big to ignore,” not “is too big to ignore.” But I would agree that “potential” should have been part of the sentence, too.

  10. Dr gm Says:

    Hey John,
    Forget the bolt, VW should name their next diesel the cheetah 6 g.

  11. BAdnikl Says:

    Autonomous cars will happen and this will all be forgotten. When the truck has a transponder and the car has one too, wrecks will not happen.
    If they do it will be really some kind of bad road conditions. Also the cars of Autonomy will “Talk” to traffic signals, Motorcycles, bicycles and probably even people. The only semi Autonomous vehicle will be a motorcycle. They will be safer too! Imagine no more left turns in front of a motorcycle, because the cars didn’t see them.
    Motorcycles will be allowed, because of fuel efficiency. If the Motorcycle decides to blast past a bunch of Auto-autos, they will simply get a ticket in the mail, as each car will
    take his picture, record his speed and email it to the Police. Your car will do this because they all will. Safety First.

  12. cwolf Says:

    One hundred people killed each day in accidents and half that if autonomous says Tesla; But can anyone believe any thing Tesla reports? And when comparing the numbers of each on the roads every day, aren’t the accumulative percentages telling a different story? First put autonomous vehicles in quarries, city taxis and buses for a few years to see what happens, then allow cars travel in selective locations. This technology is happening faster than it can be properly evaluated.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I want to see autonomous racing. Autonomous F1 starts and pit stops, and NASCAR pit stops should be quite a rush, whether using human or robotic wheel changers.

  14. Drew Says:

    John, shame on me. I used to be editor of my high school newspaper, but I missed that verb use. Can I blame it on lazy “scan reading”?!?!?

  15. Bob Wilson Says:

    Pioneers are the risk takers and suffer early casualties. But without them, we don’t advance. Use the lessons learned and move on.

    One accident is not as important as having all accidents, fatal or not, used to learn how to do it right. Investigation, OK, but not just this one.

    The pioneering efforts of Tesla and their customers are leading to better products. They shake up hide-bound manufacturers who often prefer ‘the same old ways’ or worse. Too often working against new technology like the decades long, anti-hybrid and EV efforts.

    Bob Wilson, Huntsville, AL

  16. Ukendoit Says:

    As of March this year, Google (probably the leader in autonomy research) has a fleet of vehicles testing on real world city streets with $150,000 worth of testing equipment in each and closing in on 2 Million miles driven. According to them, that simulates 75 years of real world driving. Members of the team won the DARPA award in 2005, so well over 10 years of testing. There are now 9 states that allow real world testing of autonomous vehicles. There is a list of limitations available online, and they say that by 2020 these will all be addressed and a viable autonomous vehicle will be available to the public.
    Maybe Tesla has rushed the product to the streets, but not the industry as a whole. I agree with John’s view and autonomy is inevitable. I wonder how beneficial or feasible it would be if the individual developers would collaborate in the interest of public safety?

  17. Ukendoit Says:

    Google discloses all instances where the autonomous vehicles may have had issues and the driver took over. They call these instances “disengagements” and according to them, “The rate of this type of disengagement has dropped significantly from
    785 miles per disengagement in the fourth quarter of 2014 to 5318 miles per disengagement in the fourth quarter of 2015.” They typically drive 30-40K autonomous miles per month or more. Interesting to browse if you want the data (click on my name for the link).

  18. John Humm Says:

    Re Autonomous Driving: 1. This will not work very well unless ALL vehicles sharing the road are equipped with the latest technology – an impossibility. 2. From my very direct experience over 50 years of driving, many of the very poorly designed roads on which we drive – especially in urban areas – would drive any computer crazy. They are just not logical, and redesigning them properly would take at least 30 years, if ever. 3. NO computer would be able to cope with some of the absolutely idiotic things which I have seen some drivers do over the years. I have lost count of the number of “phenomenal avoidances” I have had in my life – though I have never had a serious accident.

  19. Don Roth Says:

    Chuck Yeager had it right. All we can do with autonomous cars is to fix the problems as they come up and keep going forward. We live in a society that has come to expect that 100% of our activities should be 100% safe for 100% of the population 100% of the time. That’s not the Real World. All we can really do is the best we know how to do and to keep moving forward. In a world peopled with behind-the-wheel texters, autonomy looks pretty good to me.

  20. BobD Says:

    So VW and its executives gets to reap the benefits/profits of price fixing for 14 years, then snitch on all of the other co-conspirators to avoid a $1.2 billion euro fine. Pretty classy. Another fine example of VW’s business ethics.