AD #1943 – Ford Hints at Autonomous Sales by 2025, Chevy Reveals Bolt Driving Range, NVIDIA Introduces AI Computer

September 13th, 2016 at 11:34am

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- Ford Hints at Autonomous Sales by 2025
- NVIDIA Introduces AI Computer
- CARB Defends ZEV Mandate
- Chevy Reveals Bolt Driving Range
- Renault-Nissan Hit EV Milestone
- Hyundai Upgrades Sonata Hybrid

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27 Comments to “AD #1943 – Ford Hints at Autonomous Sales by 2025, Chevy Reveals Bolt Driving Range, NVIDIA Introduces AI Computer”

  1. Marshy Says:

    Services eh? So can anyone imagine a future where Ford charges per mile of autonomous driving service in the car you bought?

  2. rick Says:

    how is it bolt has 238 mi range, opel ampera has 250 mi range arent they the same car? and i agree i believe when model 3 is available it will have 300 mi range

  3. David Sprowl Says:

    I have a friend of mine who works for a major OEM. He made a comment a while back that car manufacturing rules today are all about control of public movement. At the time I thought this was ridicules. Today, I’m thinking he might be right. Wages have and look to remain flat for what is now coming into it’s second decade. The cost content of cars is raising. Thus ride sharing is born out of financial need. Cars are now moving from necessity to luxury. Need to get to work? move close, Want to move up switch jobs results in we rent housing rather than buy. For those that stay put, you now get to rent or lease a ride on a temporary status. How did we go from “a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage” to an electric car and charging station on every street?

  4. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Rick – It all has to do with how the vehicles are tested in the U.S. compared to the EU. The New European Driving Cycle (NEDC) is easier.

  5. Lisk Says:

    If I had stock in Tesla, I’d be unloading it soon. Now that the major players are ready to build ground up electric vehicles, I think Tesla’s days are numbered. When M-B & Audi sell direct competitors to the Model S, I look for people to flock to the brands, leaving Tesla in the lurch. On the low end of the scale, I think Chevy has the right idea of building a 4 door hatch (CUV?) rather than a traditional sedan, like the “Pens down” Model 3.

    Current trends are showing the sedan market shrinking, leaving Tesla without a player in the field. The Model X is too wierd for most and I’m not sure I’d classify it as a CUV.

    As for range, battery technology is improving fast, so a 90-120kw pack the size of the Bolts 60kw can’t be too many years off.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3 Regardless of a person’s financial resources, at some point, the American “car culture” will fade away. I spent last weekend going to different locations to see some of the best of the cars made from ~10 to 30 years before I was born. Unlike today’s “baby boomers,” I doubt that today’s kids will be doing that when they are 70 years old. People will find, and use the most convenient way to get where they need to go, but there will be very few “car nuts,” as we know them.

  7. Lex Says:

    @Lisk#5.

    I believe you are wrong about Tesla. Tesla will survive in the brave new world of autonomous driving and electric vehicles. Tesla will be the Ferrari of the future. I believe people are thrilled with the possibility that their vehicle can take them anywhere with the least amount of effort on their part. This will be the Monday to Friday 9 to 5 crowd. Others like myself who enjoy driving and look forward to getting on the open road and feeling the freedom of putting the pedal to the metal and feeling the acceleration. there is something to be said when you are pushed back into my seat and the miles click bye. Maybe one day we too will have a super highway like the Autobahn in Germany where the left lane is reserved for those of us brave enough to push their vehicle and driving skills to the limit.
    Tesla was always a dreamers car and it will attract that type of people to own one. I love the idea of not needing to go to the gas station to refuel my vehicle. I much prefer the acceleration you get from an electric motor and that the Sun will one day be the source to recharge and power my car.

  8. RumNCoke Says:

    Someone remind me again why I should care about an autonomous electric racing series. Driverless, robotic “cars” racing each other’s programmed instructions. No Andrettis, no Unsers, nobody at all to root for. Last time I was that bored, my wife convinced me to see some movie called Brokeback Mountain. And we all know how THAT turned out.

  9. BobD Says:

    #2 – Tesla would have no problem designing a 300 mile Model 3. It is whether they can do it for the quoted $35k and make a profit. They have actually boxed themselves into a corner by accepting so many order deposits. To honor that commitment, they need to be focused on designing the “cheapest” base version possible. So do they offer a “base” with 200 miles range, then a $10k option for a 300 mile version? Will that alienate their customers if they decide to do that? Slippery slope.

    I can also see GM having a 300 mile range battery ready for their 2019 MY Bolt for about the same $35k price, undercutting the Model 3 (which probably will have been in production for a few month if you look at Tesla’s history of slipped schedules).

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 They might be fun to watch if they crash a lot, with spectacular fires when all of those lithium batteries get damaged.

  11. Steve Says:

    I would like to know what it costs to charge a bolt.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11 The battery is 60 kWh, so if it is completely dead, (it won’t be), and if the charge efficiency is 100% (it’s not), it would cost $6.00 to charge the battery at a power cost of 10 cents/kWh, which is fairly typical.

    Since the battery will have some charge when you start charging, but charge efficiency is less than 100%, it might typically cost, about $6.00 to charge it. Just guessing, of course, and power cost varies, depending on where you are located.

  13. Roger T Says:

    In Florida I pay $.07 per kWh , and Chevrolet claims I need 1.1 kWh from the grid to charge the battery 1 kWh. So assuming a complete charge on a Bolt it would be $4.62. (Actually it would be less since Chevy does not allow driver to use entire battery capacity). This is $0.02 per mile (230 miles range)
    If your car gets 40 MPG gas would need to cost $0.80 per gallon to match it.

  14. W L Simpson Says:

    If EV’s looked like CUV/SUV’s instead of weird ,
    they would outsell every thing else.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13 Thanks for that info. The charge efficiency, 1.1 kWh from the grid to put 1 kWh into the battery, is better than I would have guessed.

    For anyone who might be interested, here is a chart of average power cost by state. The actual cost varies within a state, with different utility companies, and other factors.

    http://www.eia.gov/electricity/state/

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 EV’s won’t outsell much of anything, until there is a place to plug them in for those in high density housing, both in large cities, and places like my condo in a beach town in Florida..

  17. Chuck Grenci Says:

    More fuzzy math; so 6 bucks for full charge, 238 miles driven, at a two bucks a gallon (of gasoline), we’re talking about 79 miles per gallon equivalent. Buts that’s optimal and using fuzzy numbers to begin with (but still pretty cheap to run on electricity).

  18. W L Simpson Says:

    Again—kiss principle needs to be applied to EV’s –minimum non lithium batts, constant duty mini gen, no mechanicals ,no wall charger possible inwheel motors.
    Proper driver training would be better & cheaper than autonomy , but as Ron White says—”You can’t fix stupid”

  19. Bob Zigmanth Says:

    Go California! Here are some recent rankings for my old state. (I recently moved back to Michigan). Cost of living 47th, Cost of doing business 49th, Business friendly 50th, Education 38th, Infrastructure 33rd (even MI is better), environmental quality 44th including the worst air quality. The twelve least affordable cities to live in (USA) are all in California. So, to the legislators in CA – keep up the good work.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    …but California is 10 happiest, while Michigan is 43rd.

    https://wallethub.com/edu/happiest-states/6959/

  21. C-Tech Says:

    If you drop a Chevy Bolt, does it roll away? (Sorry).

  22. Bill-S Says:

    As more and more EVs hit the road, what are the chances that the cost of electricity will go up drastically? Utilities will say they will need to do it to expand and upgrade due to the extra stress on the grid with all of the extra EVs using more. And it won’t just go up for EV charging. Let’s say for example it doubles, that’s for everything. Especially if certain political factions are successful in limiting even more the use of coal for our nation, which is used to produce the majority of our electricity cheaply. So now my FL summer heavily used AC electricity bill will go from about $350 a month, to $700!!! So even without getting an EV, I may now have to pay an extra $3000 or so just for electricity at home…

  23. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Bill-S #22; now that there is some real fuzzy math. You may be on to something, but with the slow adoption. so far, of ‘electrics’, the power companies should have good lead time to increase capacity (if needed). And as everything else, rates will rise (but I doubt on the order of double; at least not in a short term).

  24. FSTFWRD Says:

    #19 Bob; You keep your winters and I’ll keep mine. There is a reason that housing is so expensive here in CA. Yes, we have many problems that I don’t like but the weather is the best.

    Sean and John, Really enjoyed the show with the Hudson. Unibody, hmmmm… Didn’t know that. Thanks.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Bill S., you must have a really big house, or keep it really cold, to have a $350 electric bill.

    Anyway, if charged at low useage times, a lot of EV’s could be added to the fleet, without adding much generating or distribution capacity. The utility companies can adjust rates by time of day, to encourage charging at low useage times.

  26. BobD Says:

    #22 – To follow-on to #25, if EV charging is done during non-peak times, there would be no additional infrastructure costs and the utilities could actually make more profit. And since most utilities are regulated, more profit means few future rate increases, so in theory, adding EVs gradually could help all consumers.

  27. Bill-S Says:

    Oh yes, I know double may be high, but then again maybe not by 2025 when they expect to have much higher EV numbers on the road. Around where I am in FL, electricity is about $0.11/KWH. My house is about 2200 sq ft, and keep it about 74. My summer electricity bills run about $350, and in winter about $125. I’ve got natural gas heat, which doesn’t cost much at all to keep the place very toasty. But our power company Gulf Power also raised rates a few cents from last year, so it has gone up maybe $25 a month in the summers. I can see electricity going up a lot in the next 10 years. Especially if consumption really increases due to EVs, and coal use is heavily restricted by the EPA, our main cheap source of electricity now, also with natural gas. A new Carbon tax can raise that price too. Wind, solar, and hydro power are limited in most of the US, and still very pricey to implement. And nuclear would be very cost effective, but no new plants have been allowed in the US for decades. So just something to consider.

    Off peak charging is probably the best way to go for an EV, charge up at night when you can. But not everyone will be able to do that. Off peak rates are good in some ways, but when I need AC the most during the day while the sun is beating down on the house, high humidity, and 90-100+ degrees outside, off peak rates aren’t going to help lol