AD #2003 – Bolt Could Lose 40% of Battery Capacity, Wireless Charging for Buses, Ranking OEMs by R&D Spending
December 8th, 2016 at 11:54am
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- Bolt Could Lose 40% Battery Capacity Over Warranty Period
- Scania Testing Wireless Charging for Buses
- Ford’s Automatic Return to Park Feature
- Ranking OEMs by R&D Spending
- You Said It!
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On today’s show… Uh-oh, the driving range of the Chevy Bolt EV could drop dramatically over time, Scania tests wireless charging with buses and we’ll show you which automakers spend the most money on research. All that and more coming right up on Autoline Daily.
This is Autoline Daily the show for enthusiasts of the automotive industry.
EV BATTERIES DEGRADE
All of us with smartphones or laptops know that the battery degrades over time. Well, the same is true for electric vehicles. Just ask some Nissan Leaf and Tesla owners. To make sure owners are aware of this issue, Chevrolet put a note in the owner’s manual of the new Bolt EV that says the battery could lose 10% to 40% of its capacity over the 8-year warranty of the vehicle. That 40% would bring the EVs range down from 238 to 143 miles. Of course it all depends on how hard you are on the battery and this is the most extreme case, but that’s still a huge reduction. And just imagine if you live in a place where it gets cold. Low temperatures can reduce the range by another 40%. That would bring the total range down to about 86 miles.
WIRELESS CHARGING FOR BUSES
Wireless charging is nothing new. Many smartphones and other battery-powered devices can be charged up this way. The auto industry is already adapting the technology for vehicles. For example, GM offers a wireless charging mat for phones in some of its vehicles and automakers and suppliers are developing EVs that can be charged wirelessly. And now commercial truck and bus maker Scania is doing the same for that side of the market. But instead of charging the vehicle while it isn’t being used, Scania is testing charging buses while they’re at a stop. So when the bus stops to pick up passengers, it parks over a charging surface located under the road and it starts charging automatically. The tests are being done in Sweden with a diesel hybrid bus. The company says seven minutes of wireless inductive charging is enough to power the bus for its 10 kilometer route.
Still to come… we’ll take a look at which automakers invest the most on research and development.
FORD’S RETURN-TO-PARK
You may have heard about FCA’s issues with some of its electronic shifters, so Ford is looking to avoid those problems. All 2017 Fusions now come standard with a rotary shift dial and to reduce the chance of a rollaway it comes with an automatic Return to Park feature. The system monitors data from sensors that watch the transmission, shifter, driver’s door and seat belt to determine if the driver is getting out of the car. If it thinks so, and the car is not in park, the shifter automatically rotates itself back to “P.” This is the same system that won’t let you shift into reverse while driving over 5 MPH, but just adapted for this new use, which should help reduce injuries and maybe save a life.
AUTOMOTIVE R&D SPENDING
The auto industry spends over $100 billion on research and development every year. But do you know which automakers invest the most in R&D? You don’t? Well you’re in luck because we poured through the OEMs annual reports to find out. Volkswagen is by far and away the leader. In 2015, the company spent $13.1 billion on R&D. But it will be interesting to see what impact the diesel scandal is going to have. Our guess is that number will drop. Way behind VW is Toyota, which spent close to $9 billion and not surprisingly General Motors is third at $7.5 billion. But looky here, at number four on the list is Daimler, just behind the top three automakers in the world. And rounding out the top 5 is Ford, which spent $6.7 billion on R&D. We don’t want to bore you to death with a bunch of numbers, so if you want to see where the other top manufacturers rank, just look for the full list in today’s transcript. If you’re watching on YouTube just look for the link to the transcript in the description box.
2015 R&D Spending Ranks | |
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1. Volkswagen | $13.1 Billion |
2. Toyota | $8.8 Billion |
3. General Motors | $7.5 Billion |
4. Daimler | $7.3 Billion |
5. Ford | $6.7 Billion |
6. Honda | $6.0 Billion |
7. BMW | $5.7 Billion |
8. Nissan | $4.4 Billion |
9. FCA | $3.2 Billion |
10. Renault | $2.3 Billion |
11. PSA | $2.1 Billion |
12. Hyundai | $1.8 Billion |
13. Kia | $1.3 Billion |
And now it’s time for some of your feedback.
We are so grateful for all the congratulations that poured in as we celebrated Autoline Daily number 2000. Two thousand of anything is a lot!
Mark summed it up nicely, saying “Congratulations on episode 2000! I love your program and watch it every day. Keep up the good work!”
Landon Thomas said, “I hate it when u guys go on hiatus. I rely on you guys for pretty much everything I know.”
There were so many of you who wrote in and we want to thank JWH, BARRY RECTOR, WineGeek, George, Lex, G.A.Branigan, Buzzerd, Jon M, gary susie, Roger Blose, GM Veteran, Kit Gerhart, Gene E, Tuck&Roll, Marshy, merv, Rick W, Landon Thomas, Mik Wind, Steve Carmichael, Fred Perkins, Lovejazz01, Knuckle Buck, John DiLiberto, Mark K, Hellodlo, gurkeerat sidhu, oconnor993, citroNord, the list goes on, so thank you to everyone.
Ok, back to your questions. Don B. wants to know, “When inventories go unsold, what really happens to the vehicles? We all heard stories of the being crushed after a few years. Or being shipped to other countries and being sold.” The true story is that every car that gets made, gets sold. They don’t disassemble them and send the parts back to the suppliers. The longer they go unsold, the more the price goes down. Some dogs may take a year or two to get sold, but they all get sold.
Roger T heard our report that November sales in the U.S. did not set a new record like most people reported. We showed you that on a daily selling rate basis, sales actually fell more than four percent. Roger says, “Elections impacted car sales in Nov, no one went out to buy that week. That explains the daily dip.” You could be right. I think Hillary’s supporters are so depressed that the last thing they felt like doing was going out and buying a shiny new car. But I think the main reason is that car sales are slowing down. As we also pointed out, the slowdown is now a 3-month trend, not something that only happened in November.
Lex says, “It is hard to believe that GM is losing $9K for every Bolt manufactured. Does that number factoring in the EV Credits GM receives?” No it does not. And remember under the current ZEV mandate, GM would not be able to sell conventional vehicles where it does make good money, unless it sold electric vehicles. That 9K number relates to the manufacturing cost, though some people dispute that number. They think it’s way too high.
MARSHALL want to know, “Why 9 & 10 speed transmissions? Just a couple years ago we heard from the experts in the automotive magazines that transmissions with more than 8 gears made no sense for consumer/passenger vehicles.” I think the difference is that we’re seeing much smaller displacement engines going into cars. I mean who ever thought you’d see Cadillac’s biggest sedan offered with a 2-liter, 4-cylinder engine? Yes I know it’s a boosted engine, but still, more gears make those little engines perform a lot better.
And finally, G.A.Branigan saw our report on the air quality index of several major cities. He says “I don’t care what anybody says, the city pollution numbers speak for themselves. The USA has done an outstanding job in reducing air pollution. LA @ 65,and Detroit @ 27? This is good.” You’re right GA. Sometimes we forget that we’ve made amazing progress on the environment. We still have a ways to go, but probably all of you watching right now have never breathed air as clean as you’re breathing right now.
Again, thanks for all your questions and comments, and for your kind words on our 2,000th birthday. With that we wrap up today’s show, please join us again tomorrow.
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December 8th, 2016 at 12:08 pm
1 of the things I find interesting is with all the development and advancesin Electric vehicletechnology, there doesn’t seem to be as many electric trucks and vans on the road as there should be. Most trucks and van stay in a local area, drive within a daily specific range, and seems like a very useful target to reduce pollution and costs.
December 8th, 2016 at 12:32 pm
wireless charging for buses- I thought it was bad for batteries to be partially charged often instead of a complete charge less often. Would this idea hurt battery life ? maybe a lot?
R&D spending, you have reported on this before but doesn’t it get a little muddy when you consider racing budgets? Don’t some companies consider their racing budgets as part of R&D while others don’t?
December 8th, 2016 at 12:50 pm
Congrats on 2000! I started watching this after the Speed Channel stopped air’n the Autoline show.
December 8th, 2016 at 12:51 pm
VW finally has the ball rolling on the buybacks. My uncle and I are just waiting to take the car to the dealer. At least in Iowa, they are aren’t accepting buybacks each day-only a couple days each month.
December 8th, 2016 at 12:54 pm
To replace our not-so-clean diesel my heart wanted to get a Subaru Outback of any flavor…my wife’s heart wanted a 2014 Lexus IS-250 with AWD. Still haven’t come to terms with owning a Lexus (I am not a showy type of guy), but its a great car.
December 8th, 2016 at 1:00 pm
I am curious about Hyundai/Kia R&D spending. They are way down on the list, but sell more vehicles than everyone except Toyota, VW, and GM. Could it be the manner in which technology is developed in-house versus purchased by suppliers?
December 8th, 2016 at 1:19 pm
Do you seriously believe that VW spends 13+ billion on R&D?! Get real. They are just cooking the books with more false information.
December 8th, 2016 at 1:28 pm
7, I believe VW did spend 13+ billion on R&D. They surely spent it on trying to find ways to get out of the dieselgate scandal. HAHA
December 8th, 2016 at 1:42 pm
I guess the degradation of the battery pack is not getting any better than before, when my hybrid vehicle got the same mpg as the standard version in the winter, but got 40% more mpg in the spring-fall. Maybe if they can get to a 500 mile range, the 40% drop will not seem so bad.
December 8th, 2016 at 3:23 pm
Catching up on my comments for a few days,
Congrats on 2000, I too found ALD near the beginning from the Autoline TV show.
From yesterday, isn’t Dodge already the first to offer AWD in a pony-car? Does the AWD Dodge Stealth not count? Maybe the Stealth was “sports car” or “muscle car”; subtle differences sometimes blur the lines -Pony:less expensive, Muscle:chunkier, Sports:sleeker?
#1) I have also been saying that. The vans have more floor space for batteries, could use the lowered center of gravity to offset their height, high commercial miles where the minimal fuel costs will be appreciated with “money back” sooner, as well as all the items you listed.
December 8th, 2016 at 5:51 pm
I didn’t consider the Stealth to compete directly with “pony cars,” because it was front drive based. In capability, though, some versions certainly competed.
December 8th, 2016 at 9:45 pm
I’m not surprised that VW spends the most on R&D, given that they have brands from mass market VW and Skoda, to luxury brands Audi and Bentley, and Porsche. You can share only so much, with such disparate brands.
December 8th, 2016 at 10:08 pm
Perhaps VW’s definition of R&D is “Repurchase and Destroy” and they are spending $13 billion on their diesel buyback and scrapping activities?!?
December 9th, 2016 at 12:40 am
R&D dollars are not enough when a company abandons their technology like GM did with their EV1s. In contrast, 1,484 of the 1997-2003, Toyota RAV4 EVs escaped the crusher and ~500 are still rolling around California, a decades long endurance study.
When GM downgrades Bolt EV range, it is the same thinking that crushed their EV1s; guts the Bolt battery warranty and; weakens sales for the Bolt “Car of the Year.” For what it is worth, my 2014 BMW i3-REx has a 150 mile range vs the worst case, 143 mile Bolt range (see link).
Kudos for using the last three months to detect early softening in the car market. We’ve also seen that in the fuel efficient and plug-in sales. Only the Fusion hybrid and Volt are showing positive sales trends.
Bob Wilson, Huntsville, AL
December 9th, 2016 at 8:26 am
Oh yeah, the comment-catch-up I left off pertained to suped up minivans. Chrysler has supposedly approved a Hellcat Pacifica! 707 horsepower and 0-60 in 3.6 seconds would not be a sluggish minivan. I’m sure the price will be sky-high, but it would make for quite the halo van. Click on my name for all the specs.
December 9th, 2016 at 9:11 am
Okay, the Hellcat Pacifica hasn’t really been greenlighted, but there are an awful lot of “sightings”, concept pics, and rumors floating around about it. Do we have any Autoline insight as to the feasibility of it coming out?
December 9th, 2016 at 9:39 am
The Hellcat Pacifica article was well written, but considering it was originally posted on April Fools day, and the technical reality of going from a cross drive to a longitudinal drive would be nearly impossible for a production vehicle needing to pass safety standards, etc, I don’t think you will ever see one in real life.
December 9th, 2016 at 5:25 pm
Might some of the R&D savings for Hyundai/Kia be due to their propensity to copy other manufacturer’s designs?
December 10th, 2016 at 8:21 am
I, for one, commend GM for stating worst case battery degradation over time, rather than just letting customers “find out,” as with Nissan, Tesla, and most others.