AD #2047 – Ioniq EV Cheaper to Operate Than Bolt EV, New Jaguars Give You Gas, Israel: Automotive Powerhouse?

February 16th, 2017 at 11:44am

Runtime: 7:15

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- Hyundai Ioniq EV Cheaper to Operate Than Bolt EV
- Jaguar Teams with Shell
- Israel Emerging as Automotive Powerhouse
- U.K. Doctors Want to Ban Diesels
- Peugeot Shows New Electric Van
- Dodge Teases the Demon’s Special Tires

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20 Comments to “AD #2047 – Ioniq EV Cheaper to Operate Than Bolt EV, New Jaguars Give You Gas, Israel: Automotive Powerhouse?”

  1. WineGeek Says:

    Sean I don’t care if it’s $.85 or $.92 but the major deciding factor in EV purchases has to be range. For any real world application the overall range will be the deciding factor because at the end of the day whether you have enough charge to get home is what will make the vehicle successful in the market. If the Ioniq was a hybrid with an ICE as a back up then 100+ miles range would be amazing, but alas that is not the case.

  2. Brett Says:

    I could commute to/from work and run errands for a week on 100 mile range.

  3. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Johnnie come lately, Hyundai Ioniq EV, touts its range as being adequate for most applications, is ‘blowing wind’ IMO; the same can be said for any electric vehicle if it fits you average daily usage.

    Those ‘deflected’ tires may look cool on a dragster (story on Demon’s special tires) but I sure wouldn’t want that to happen day in and day out, as I think that would eventually degrade the tire. Dragsters (proper) only use their tires for a very few runs; I’d be wary of that happening multiple of times on a street car.

  4. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Those Demon tires: Back in my day,they were called ‘wrinkle walls’,and only available for drag slicks.However,they may have been available for street legal cheater slicks back then too.At one time I hade a pair of Remington cheaters that I ran on occasion,but they were NOT wrinkle walls.

  5. MJB Says:

    I don’ tknow, Sean. The front end of that new Peugeot Tepee doesn’t look any more ‘goofy’ to me than that of the Chevy Uplander minivan.

  6. Jonathan Says:

    How do the newly designed tires on the hellcat demon handle around corners and in braking?

    I think more than one aspect of the tires responsibilities needs to be disclosed.

    Thanks for all you at do for reporting the auto enthusiasts news.

    I look forward to your response


  7. Drew Says:

    The Ioniq’s range is based on moderate weather conditions. But in the northern climes, EV range drops dramatically. I suspect its range in a Minnesota or Wisconsin winter will be less than 100 miles. That’s well within the range of anxiety.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If you have a place to plug it in, an EV can be a good commuter car for most people. As Drew says, though, it will lose a lot of range in cold weather. Just figure on half the “official” range, and you should be ok, almost no matter what, if you charge it overnight every day.

  9. Lisk Says:

    The EV range problem needs to be addressed. 100 miles of range would barely cover my daily commute, leaving me only 15 miles of reserve when I get home, if everything goes right. I wouldn’t leave work with only 55 miles of gasoline range, even though I could find a place to fill every 5-10 miles during my journey. Even the Bolt, with it’s 200+ mile range would be a pain to charge every other night.
    Rather than concentrate on building short range EVs, longer range should be the priority. With a short range, you are not cleaning up for the folks that make 15-20 daily trips. If you could save the hydrocarbons on the folks with 200 mile daily round trips, this would really put a dent in the air quality.

  10. Albemarle Says:

    I think 200 miles is the magic range for the EV. Doesn’t matter how often the manufacturer tells me I don’t need more than their range. To them, all I should want is what they are selling.

    I could drive a non-power steering car, with non-powered brakes, manual shift and use hand signals, but I won’t. My money, my rules.

  11. Roger Blose Says:

    What do EVs and cell phones have in common? The batteries can go through many cycles before they start to lose their charge. My two year old cell phone needs to be replaced soon as the battery will not last a full day without a recharge. An EV in the winter time would have a low range as the heated interior, lights, wipers, and more would suck juice quickly. EV drivers need to invest in Depends to make it home in snow storm.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If I were still working, with the 14 mile round trip commute I had, and with a garage having power, I would probably have an EV as a commuter car. I’d charge it with a 120 v charger, and charge it “as needed,” which would depend upon the time of year, amount of use, etc. It would not be an “only car,” but I have had more than one car for most of my adult life.

    EV’s, at their best (Tesla S using “super chargers”) are not a reasonable choice as an only car for highway trips, and probably never will be, even if the price of the car comes down a lot. In my case, at least, when I do an 1100 mile trip, I don’t want to make a 30-40 minute “pit stop” every 200 miles. I want to keep moving. EV’s can be great commuters, though, if you have a place to charge them.

  13. Drew Says:

    Kit, perhaps the ideal portfolio is a 200 mile range electric CUV for everyday errands/commutes, a clean diesel luxury sedan for long trips, and a burbling performance V8 sports coupe/convertible for nostalgic fun. A Bolt and Mustang (or Corvette) fulfill the bookends. The long trip luxo-sedan is harder to identify as VW/Audi and M-B are not on my consideration list due to unethical business practices. Hey Lincoln and Cadillac, I want a diesel Continental or XTS.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13 That sounds good to me. At today’s fuel prices, the diesel Continental and XTS seem unlikely, but the gas ones would have 400+ mile range on the highway.

  15. Bob Wilson Says:

    Anyone see an Ioniq Monroney sticker?

    As for U.K. diesels, was there a stop sales order 18 months ago for VW/Audi diesels?

    Is there a stop-sales today in the U.K. for those and the Mercedes cold-cheat diesels?

    The U.K. doctors and nurses like their patients unlike USA based auto reporters who don’t have to live with UK air and small children. Re-think your position or move to the bad-air EU.

    Bob Wilson, HSV

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 The Europeans’ push for use of diesels may not have been such a good idea. The requirement for low sulphur fuel a few years ago helped with the acid rain, that was destroying buildings and monuments, but the NOx emissions continue to cause smog, and hurt human health.

  17. XA351GT Says:

    Okay let me see if I have this right. The Bolt costs over 30K as do most of the other EVs listed and they get anywhere from 3 to 4 cents a mile to run them. My 2001 Escort XZ2 with 145000 miles gets 30 MPG combined driving a gallon of gas is about $2.50 so it costs me a little over 8 cents a mile. My car is KBB valued at between $500-1000. So why would I want to spend that kind of money on so little of a return? This to me is the biggest stumbling block for EVs. Now my other question is The charging station and it’s installation costs . Are they factored into the fuel cost numbers? Most people probably don’t have a spare 220V line to hook up the charger to. Which are more than likely hardwired into the home/garage. I know how much electricians charge for even a simple hook up . I just don’t see the upside of EVs until they have the range and price of their ICE counterparts.

  18. XA351GT Says:

    I wonder if those Demon wheels and tires will have beadlocks. I can see someone spinning the tire on the rim and throwing it out of balance.At the speeds that this car is being aimed at that could be a problem.

  19. Bob Wilson Says:

    #17 – is correct to calculate the cost per mile which varies significantly by region. At any given time there is factor of 2-3 times between the cheapest and most expensive utility electricity and gasoline cost. Then there are those with home solar cell arrays.

    In Huntsville, last summer, the BMW i3-REx cost $0.25 to drive 10 miles and $0.65 for 10 highway gasoline miles. Then one can calculate the effect of one car over another but we have no interest in any pure electric car.

    We have two, plug-in hybrids with MPGe/MPG:
    117 / 39 – 2014 BMW i3-REx
    133 / 54 – 2017 Prius Prime
    not available – Ioniq plug-in

    Bob Wilson, Huntsville AL

  20. John McElroy Says:

    #6 Jonathan, we gave you all the info we have on the tires right now. Dodge is slowly trickling out the info on the Demon, one video at a time, so that the media provides ongoing coverage. None of us have had a chance to drive the car yet, but we’re not expecting it to be a “demon” when it comes to handling. The Demon is designed exclusively for drag racing.