AD #2052 – Tesla to Start Making Model 3 in July, High Inventory to Push February Sales, Demon’s Launching Tricks

February 23rd, 2017 at 11:36am

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- Tesla’s 2016 Earnings
- Tesla to Start Making Model 3 in July
- February Sales Forecast
- Technology Won’t Hold Back Electric Cars
- Dodge Demon’s Launching Tricks
- Carlos Ghosn Steps Aside as Nissan CEO
- VW Exec to Appear in Court Over Emission Scandal

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20 Comments to “AD #2052 – Tesla to Start Making Model 3 in July, High Inventory to Push February Sales, Demon’s Launching Tricks”

  1. vast123 Says:

    13.5 = 575 @ 500
    I’m guessing that’s 13.5 seconds to reach 1/4 mile drag, 575HP, 500lb/ft torque

  2. WineGeek Says:

    John, Oliver seemed like a nice guy when I saw him on your past shows, but it’s time that individuals were held responsible for corporate misconduct. Unless the actual participants are prosecuted a corporation pays a fine, usually much less than the profits their illegal activity made the company, and go along their merry way. Once the participants are held responsible they will assist in keeping the corporation on the straight and narrow. In addition, this scandal was not an oversight or a mistake it was deliberate and designed to circumvent the laws from its inception. I am sure that there is more than one person who is responsible, perhaps they should be going after Ferdinand?

  3. Lex Says:

    This futurist from MB is only half right about the slow adaption of EV’s. The real problem is that OEM’s like GM are not putting their Volt extended range EV power trains technology into vehicle that consumers want like CUV’s. If GM would put the Volt power train in an Equinox it would sell. Consumers are red hot for CUV’s. They enjoy the higher driving position and roominess of the larger cabin and it’s flexibility to carry larger items than a small sedan like the Chevy Volt. The Bolt being a true EV still leaves many consumers with range anxiety issues. GM needs to re-explore the skateboard concept it had developed back during the era of the EV-1. The EV Skateboard could accept different “Top Hats” similar to what VW is doing with it’s modular architecture. Some will argue that OEM’s loss money on every EV they sell. My response to that don’t they earn EV credits which they can use to off set environmental costs on larger more profitable gas guzzler large SUVs. The name of the game is finding the right balance and pushing the acceptance of EV technology forward otherwise Tesla and the Chinese will have a monopoly on the EV market a decade from now.

  4. Chuck Grenci Says:

    John, anyone have a line-chart on the take rate of electric vehicles over the years; maybe even, total electrically assisted, hybrid, and full electrics overlayed on a chart over the last years (say since the first one made its appearance (maybe even going back to the EV1. Take rate is low but it may be interesting to see if the climb is enough to get excited about.

  5. Albemarle Says:

    It is unfortunate about Oliver. The other VW executives will never face an American court because they were able to get their beach time outside the U. S.. I think it’s important to not tar him unmercifully with the VW brush. In these areas, it’s all about public opinion and politics not criminal intent.
    How many people went to jail for the sub-prime mortgage mess that destroyed many millions of lives? None. Power protects power, regardless of Republican or Democrat.

    Face it, we do not live in a fair world so maybe we should quietly climb down from our high horses (and take an EV or a Demon).

  6. Roger Blose Says:

    Can you imagine when the rental car companies will begin offering EV in their fleets? Bring the EV back half charged…pay a penalty. Try and find a charging station outside the airport to avoid a added fee only to get in line with other worried renters. Then the half charged returned cars cannot be quickly turned around because they are charging up for hours. I am sure the rental car folks will be offering a prepaid charge fee just like the current gas fill up prepaid programs. Pity the poor business traveler!

  7. Joe Pastor Says:

    John, feel sorry for Oliver because I think guys like him are easy pickings for our DOJ.
    The real diesel gate source however, may be all Audi, per this Forbes report…

    This Audi engineer claims the VW board ordered him to cheat, and they put it in writing, ie. the smoking gun. If true, not sure where that leaves VW and Audi, but gotta admit it is a hellova story!

  8. Ukendoit Says:

    #1) I was thinking the same sort of explanation of the numbers, but 13.5 is very slow by today’s standards. 13s used to be good, but now even daily drivers are hitting 12 second 1/4 miles; 10s, or even 9s would be brag-worthy. As far as horsepower and torque, those numbers wouldn’t be bad except the Hellcat version is already getting more than that. Some are speculating the Demon will have 750-1000hp.

  9. XA351GT Says:

    To me technology is already holding back EVs. Until they find a way to make batteries that have the range and ease of refueling as gas at the same cost it will be like trying to push a rope. Example take any conventional vehicle . You can refill it in a matter of minutes and travel hundreds of miles before stopping again. No electric can do that. Yes , the Tesla can go hundreds of miles but how long does a full charge take? Hours? Also the lack of charging stations is a issue. That to me is tech holding it back. And if the tech doesn’t the cost will.

  10. Wim van Acker Says:

    @7: what a story, thanks for sharing

  11. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ #7,Joe: Good article,thanks.Sure adds another dimension doesn’t it.

    @ #8 Ukendoit: I’m leaning towards mid to low 10′s,with the factory wrinkle walls.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    A lot more EV’s would be sold to people like me, if there were charging stations. A car with even 100 miles of safe range would work for essentially all of my driving while in Florida. Also, EV’s are still a long way from being price competitive with regular cars.

    For highway trips, you need more range, and need either quick charge, or quit change batteries. If there were stations that could swap out the battery in five minutes, that would work for highway use. It’s not likely to happen, though. You would need a lot of stations, and for that to happen, there would need to be a lot of standardization of batteries.

    Regular hybrids are still a great option, and are still getting better. I just drove a new, 4th generation Prius, and the new one is quieter, and handles and rides noticeably better than my 2010. Also, the new one gets better mpg than the already great mpg of the 3rd gen 2010. I’d like to check out the Prius Prime plug-in hybrid, but they don’t sell them where I am. Being realistic, there would be no point in the Prime for me, while in Florida, where I’d have no place to plug it in.

    Published quarter mile times for a stock automatic C7 Corvette like mine are about 12 seconds. The Demon should do significantly better than that, in spite of its obesity.

    If what people really want is an electric CUV, the Kia Niro electric should sell like hot cakes when it arrives. Also, isn’t a Bolt kind of a CUV? It sort of has that look, at least to me.

  13. Barry Rector Says:

    Hey John,

    Is Tesla still selling carbon credits to other manufacturers? If so, how much of this are seen in their earnings?

  14. Ctech Says:

    @ #6 Hertz used to rent Nissan Leafs (Leaves ?). The major problem was renters found themselves unable to recharge them at the hotels. Many were towed back because the they were driven beyond their range.

  15. Ukendoit Says:

    The electric take-over is just a matter of time. Even if its 50 years before the tech greatly surpasses ICE and enough product cycles, infrastructure, new homes are built (pre-wired for charging), etc. The average vehicle cost keeps rising as the electrics keep coming down. The ranges keep increasing, now nearly matching ICEs. The charge times keep dropping; the original Tesla superchargers maximum power charging ability was 90kW. They are incrementally increasing as tech improves and are now at 145kW, though the max power vehicles currently can suck down is 120kW and they can still get 170 miles of charge in 30min. Tesla plans to get a full charge down to 5min, as the range keeps increasing. By the time tech lets you get a vehicle that has a lower center of gravity (better handling), instant torque (is quicker), quieter, cheaper, and with more range than an ICE, people will come in droves. The ICEs will still be around for enthusiasts, but after the technological magic numbers are hit, I’d give it another 10-20 years before the electrics are the majority.

  16. Ukendoit Says:

    Tying the electric talk in with the quarter mile discussion, an example of last year’s average Tesla’s quarter-mile pass: 10.78 seconds at 124.5 mph.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Today’s EV’s would work well as “daily drivers” for most people in apartments and condos, with one major problem. There is no place to charge them.

  18. Ukendoit Says:

    A lot of companies in Atlanta are putting in chargers as “perks” for employees. Most folks now-a-days spend more time at work than home sleeping. Charging during your 8-10-12 hours at work would definitely get you a full charge.
    Coke put in a bank of chargers a while back, when only a few employees had “E-hicles”… then a bunch of employees went out to buy electrics to take advantage of this perk, and Coke had to triple the number available. I hadn’t heard lately how many they are up to now.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 Interesting. If you work at one of those places, it would take care of apartment dwelling commuters, except maybe for weekends, depending on the range of the car, and the amount of other-than-commuting driving done.

  20. Arcade Mike Says:

    The problem I see with EV’s is the lack of OEM’s selling them in other states. They are always first or only on Cali and I think one other. I drive 17 miles one way to work everyday and have 35 solar panels on my home so charging cost are almost nil yet none are readily available in South Carolina. I have a weekend or fun 2011 F250 4×4 crew cab so range anxiety is not an issue. I just want a inexpensive electric to drive back and froth to work to keep the mileage off my truck and save money on gas and routine maintenance stuff. I would have to go to Atlanta to look at a Tesla which is way out of my price range anyway. I was wanting to look at the Fiat 500e, Mitsubishi Miev, and a few others but not in my state and since we don’t have the car why have the charging stations? Hopefully it will go the way of my solar panels. After the neighbors saw them and saw how much I saved there are now about 8 houses with them installed in my small neighborhood within a year. On a side note I have to turn off the inverters to half of them during the spring and fall to keep the power company from owing me money and opening up a whole lot of headache. Saving up for two Tesla walls or similar so I can finally cut the cord completely from the power company.