AD #2053 – New Jeep Compass Marks Major Milestone, Schmidt Pleads Not Guilty, Can Auto Shows Survive?

February 24th, 2017 at 12:05pm

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- New Jeep Compass Marks Major Milestone
- Schmidt Pleads Not Guilty
- New Volkswagen Arteon
- Cars Playing Big Role in Cleaning the Air
- Dollars For Data
- Can Auto Shows Survive?

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22 Comments to “AD #2053 – New Jeep Compass Marks Major Milestone, Schmidt Pleads Not Guilty, Can Auto Shows Survive?”

  1. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Great to see Peter D. back within the Autoline arena.

    I like the Compass’ front click; maybe that should have adorned the Cherokee; never was or could get to grips with the new Cherokee.

    Glad to see the automobile helping to clean the air; now it’s time (past time) to clamp down on some of the other polluters.

  2. Brett Says:

    The CES killed Comdex once computing power made sufficient inroads into the mainstream consumer electronics arena.

    I anticipate a similar impact on car shows, perhaps just shy of total conquest. There is still a compelling reason for them when you consider the public days. Where else can you see everything under one roof?

  3. Lex Says:

    It was good to see Peter Delorenzo on ATW.

    Looking forward to hearing more on the New Jeep Compass next week.

    What is with VW and their GOOFY naming convention for their vehicles? I would have rather seen them revive the “Corrado” nameplate with a “X” behind the name to designate that it was a cross-over.

  4. Dale Leonard Says:

    Hi John, I have been going to the Cleveland Auto Show for over 40 years and have seen our show shrink to half the size it started out as. Also there are a lot of manufacturers that no longer show up especially the Exotic cars. Hardly any concept vehicles which always made the show more appealing. I really feel that in another 10 years we will not have one anymore even though Ford has 3 Auto Plants here.
    Sad,Very Sad . Thank You.

  5. Dale Leonard Says:

    BTW: It was wonderful to see Peter D. and hope he makes an appearance on AAH some day as he is dearly missed.

  6. Drew Says:

    Go Renton, go!

  7. Drew Says:

    Darn auto correct. Go Renzo, go!

  8. G.A.Branigan Says:

    “dollars for data”,so that means what exactly? Since I bought the vehicle,own it,the data generated by ME,I should be given the money if I chose to sell my own data.Why would the oems collect dollars for something that I own?? I don’t like this one damn bit.

    It’s either my vehicle and data,or it isn’t.If it isn’t my data,who says that it’s not? Why shouldn’t we the owners collect on it,IF we chose to participate? If not,then we are being robbed,and our privacy invaded.

  9. Joe Pastor Says:

    Re: Breathe Deep, I wonder if the CARB boys in CA are beginning to question the true need for EVs, given the fact that in 10 years, gas cars will actually clean their polluted air. Hey, Elon, can electric cars DO THAT??

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The cars will “clean the air” of some pollutants, but will still emit some NOx, a primary cause of photochemical smog.

  11. buzzerd Says:

    The auto industry is doing a pretty good job in cleaning up their act it would seem, how about other industries? Are other industries scrutinized as much?

  12. Lisk Says:

    When it comes to collecting and selling my data, I don’t think auto makers have the right to do this any more than “enter browser name” has the right to suggest sites to visit based on where I’ve browsed.

    My current car is connected by OnStar but I don’t have a smart screen, so at the moment, I don’t have to worry about ads being pushed to me. With the ability to push ads to connected cars, isn’t that going to be a huge distraction? Will I be able to hold the automaker or advertiser accountable when I run off the road to look at an add pushed to my infotainment screen?

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I guess I’m behind the times, even though I have a 2016 car. I didn’t know some car infotainment screens displayed ads while you are driving.

  14. Eric Says:

    now that automobiles are clean, the gov’ment should regulate cow emissions

  15. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Eric: Having come from a dairy farm background,how do you propose to keep cow farts regulated? I love cows,’specially bbq’d.

  16. Ziggy Says:

    Here’s a suggestion for the auto show organizers if they think the attendance needs to increase: don’t charge to get in!! Between having to pay for admission, parking (at least in Detroit), gas to get there, and food goodies at the show itself, a family gets smacked pretty hard when all they are doing is looking at auto companies advertising. If car dealerships charged to sit in their cars at the car lot you’d see a lot fewer customers. And if you really want more people to come to your show don’t be so tight with the freebies, have more samples available to hand out so that people feel like they are getting something for showing up. If you are clever enough the freebies will be some sort of advertising too, like a free hat that the attendee wears every where since he got it for free. I never understood charging people to look at advertising but I guess if they can get away with it I won’t see it change anytime soon.

  17. John McElroy Says:

    Many automakers are already collecting data from new cars. I’m guessing that OnStar and Tesla probably collect the most. In most cases the law mandates an “opt in” clause that users must agree to. In some cases the clause is buried in all the fine print of the sales contract and you opt in as you sign a bunch of pages you haven’t really read. But most people will agree to give away their data anyway, just like they do with the apps on their cell phones.They see a benefit to opting in.

    What we really need to do is figure out how to trademark our data and then demand a slice of the revenue stream is generates. I don’t mind them making money off me as long as I get a piece of the action. I think it would be nice to get a check every month just for being me.

  18. Chuck Grenci Says:

    John, I think the optimal word is “user collected” data. I’m not sure that data created is ‘yours’ in the absolute sense. The data is out there, who collects it is responsible for the security of that data, but I don’t think they have a obligation to pay for it. Here’s an absurd example: you go by a stoplight every day, a traffic consultant counts how many autos pass to generated traffic flow data; you wouldn’t expect to get paid for that. Now if data collected leads to solicitations to the creators of the data, now maybe, interjection should occur (to provide compensation).

  19. Don B. Says:

    I have to disagree on the buzziness of the tigershark. I have a Ram Promaster City with the 2.4. When I nailed the gas at an on ramp it sounds great, banging thru the gears and shifting a 6 thousand rmp, there was no buzzing. Maybe the air intake is different on the Compass. I’d wouldn’t worry K&N or Airaid will come out with a better sounding intake. You remember flipping the top of the air cleaner upside down to see the 1/2 an inch of air filter and getting that throaty sound from under the hood, yea, you remember do that to you parents car when you borrowed it.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I don’t find the Tigershark engine to be particularly “buzzy” either. The problem I have with it, is complexity for complexity’s sake. The Multi-air variable valve lift doesn’t make it any better, if as good as other four cylinder engines.

  21. GaryPaul Says:

    This is a long post so if your brain doesn’t want to read all this, please skip my comments!

    It was good to see some data on just how clean today’s vehicles are, spewing so much less pollution than US vehicles from the 1960s. I have a few comments and questions regarding this data.

    FIRST POINT: ARE WE TALKING ABOUT 1960S CARS FROM PRE-1964 OR POST 1967? When we state that today’s cars have “99% fewer tailpipe emissions than they did in the 1960’s” are we talking about cars from post 1964 or post 1967 model years?

    We know that with pre-1964 models (not including California), the old road draft tubes which were common to eliminate blow-by gases from the engines–that would otherwise build up in the crankcase causing contamination and damaging seals– simply vented these gases to the atmosphere—when they even worked(!)—since they needed the vehicle to be moving as some speed to create the draft needed to suck out the blow-by fumes building up in the crankcase.

    By 1964 most vehicles sold in the US had the PCV system (positive crankcase ventilation) which stopped at something like (read ahead) 20% or more of unburned hydrocarbons from entering the atmosphere because they were recycled to be reburned in the engine. But because the systems were not fully closed off (the vent to access atmosphere air could at times backup (for example with a poorly maintained, gummed up PCV valve) and send unburned gases back into the atmosphere), the 1968 models had the intake located inside the air cleaner housing as I am sure some of you gents recall. So again, I am asking if this is referring to post 1967 model vehicles or post 1964 model vehicles, which I am sure would make some difference, correct?

    It would also be interesting to see a chart showing the major emission control systems implemented through the last 50+ years for US vehicles to see how they had an impact on lowering emissions, and the type of emissions they lowered, as well as noting the ancillary benefits these systems offered such as the original PCV systems keeping the engine oil “healthy” by reducing moisture build up in the crankcase. I would also like to see such a chart for Europe (or major individual European nations—such as Germany, Britain, France or Italy), and such a review for Japan as well as other nations that are major contributors to air pollution.

    2ND POINT: GETTING THE REST OF THE WORLD TO MEET STRONG ENVIRONMENTAL AIR STANDARDS: If by the year 2025 Tier 3 Bin 30 emission levels will be 99.9% cleaner than a car from, say 1960, and so clean that the air coming out will be cleaner than the air going in, then when will there be a redoubling of efforts to get the rest of the world that does not meet those standards to comply with laws that benefit everyone? We know that Europe and the US were groping toward such an agreement for years, but living in a Southeast Asian country for a couple years I can tell you that the air emission standards are not yet having a big effect on the vehicles here in the Philippines.
    –First because labor is relatively inexpensive here it is possible to keep vehicles running and running for many many decades by simply having a mechanic repair it as cheaply as possible with little thought about emission controls! Thus is it common to see a haze of blue oil filled smoke filling the air in Cebu city in the twilight hours and yes it is a real problem for anyone especially if you have asthma or bronchitis!
    –There are laws now in place to ensure compliance, but implementation was delayed for years! In addition there are
    —Emissions laws are not yet fully enforced and this is easy to see in the air and feel in your lungs if you live near any major city in the Philippines.There are smoke belching vehicles all over Cebu whether it is from an open air Jeepney (the main way people get around here), or a motorcycle or a tricycle motorcycle (sort of a cab in smaller districts) and they are hardly ever ticketed and feel no pressure to clean up their act! In addition Jeepney owners are strongly against any plans by the government to phase out the older vehicles and have had strikes to show their displeasure with replacing the often smoke belching vehicles.

    3RD POINT: HOW LONG DO EMISSION SYSTEMS LAST AT 95%+ EFFECTIVENESS?
    How effective are the emissions systems on a 2017 vehicle after 100,000, 150,000 or 200,000 miles. With many vehicles now able to easily reach 100,000 or even 200,000 miles with simple basic maintenance, how effective are the emission controls at that point. After all what good are emission standards if the systems are not engineered to continue operating effectively when the odometer reaches 6 digits?

    And now a few observations regarding this Autoline #2053:
    4TH POINT: REGARDING THE NOW VERY LARGE CAR GRILLS THAT ARE EVERYWHERE:
    It appears that cars nowadays have come to copying the large fat grills from American cars in the early 1950s. Just look at a 1950 Buick and you will see what I mean. Many people even back in the early 50s did not like some of the weird big grills and open mouths of the early 50s automobiles that started to appear in the late 1930s and 1940s as the front clips of American cars started to broaden. I recall chatting with a German employee at Audi back in 1997 about how Audi needed a strong “face” to really get more attention in the US market–the cars were handsome but the grill area needed somewhat more strength. I didn’t think it would lead to the gaping maws that Audi puts out today! Good styling, overall, yes but not the grill area so much on today’s Audis and so many other cars! Is this a result of the European crash standards to protect pedestrians struck by cars so that they raise the cowl area pushing the need for a massive grill to hide the expanse of front end? Is there another reason besides just styling trends for these often hideous grills on so many cars? And when we really develop autonomous cars that communicate with each other and anticipate accidents, won’t this mean that many design restraints will eventually disappear—like the need to have crush space in front of the front passengers/driver?

    6TH POINT: AUTO SHOWS AND THEIR PROBLEMS. I haven’t been to an auto show for about 6 years for a number of reasons…. I’m willing to go again if it’s appreciably improved… Here are a few of my experiences in the past at the Detroit Auto Show:
    –I recall in the 1980s that many US manufacturers refused to even have their cars open. And when it was open there was no power on for the interior lights. When I asked about this the representative there said it was because of the fire issues involved in powering up a display model. SO I went over to the Toyota display and the cars were all open and most had their interior lights working for some reason. Why didn’t the fire marshal shut down the Toyota Display if that was the reason.
    –For years if you asked any question about a certain make or model the representative knew almost nothing about the car. For the last 20 odd years this has changed but they are still basically someone who learned about these vehicles because they went through 2-4 weeks of training and can’t answer questions that a car guy might ask. You might think if the show is so important that they would have at least one person who can answer relevant interesting questions about their vehicles.
    –The Cadillac Display at the show I went to 6-7 years ago had obvious dangerous tripping areas on the outside parameter of the display. I stood and watched while one individual after another tripped on the carpeting because the intersection between the Cadillac display and the next maker were uneven. I reported this to the representative at the show and he said it was fine!
    –In the 1989 show I sat in a Cadillac model (Allante) and started to touch the radio and some dealer representative came over and asked me to “stop playing with the knobs.”
    –If you attend a large dealer nowadays and the salesmen don’t assault you, you can spend a lot more time looking over models they offer without the crowds and the plastic girls and the hassles of driving downtown, and you can open the hoods, and even test drive one if you are respectful, etc Most people have some idea of what they are looking for so why attend a show to see a Ferrari or a Porsche, if you want a Chrysler Pacifica!?
    –I don’t go to an autoshow to eat but in the past I found the places to eat there rather crude and expensive. Oh—the fudge is good…
    –When GM had their shareholder’s meeting there at the Detroit Auto Show, I attended as a shareholder and got a free pass to the show & the following took place. Granted this was at a shareholder meeting, but it was right at the autoshow in Detroit and added to my disappointments:
    A question and answer session took place and before I could even write my question regarding GM’s lack of more than 4-speed automatic transmissions, we were all told that the questions had been collected and the big GM executives there would now respond. This all happened in a matter of minutes so it was obviously a setup without collecting so many questions and cherry picking which ones to answer. So… there was a microphone setup to ask questions after the meeting and about a dozen people lined up including me and two big guys stood near the microphone making sure you asked only one question. When my question was not answered they almost shoveled me out the door standing very close and saying “next question please!”
    GM said that top executives would be there and I could not recognize anyone—there was no Rick Wagoner for sure—and only upper midline management who clearly did not want to be there!
    The session was so meaningless that I shot off a letter to GM asking them to provide technical experts to tell us WHY there weren’t anything but 5 speed automatic transmissions in the pipeline and why GM lied about having top management at the meeting, and why didn’t GM fold Hummer into GMC and why wasn’t GM integrating US and European operations with greater intensity so there could be greater sharing of platforms, and why didn’t Hummer H3 have a V8, etc etc etc… Of course I got a form letter back and they were all so sorry and we hope you will buy a GM car soon!

    5TH POINT: IT’S TIME FOR BLACKOUT CARS TO DISAPPEAR LIKE TAILFINS DID! Keeping on the theme of exterior appearances, I am astonished at how many vehicle makers push this blackout theme today, and how many I see out on the road—black chrome, black tail lights, black wheels, black trim…Like tailfins I hope this trend is going the way of the Dodo Bird.

  22. veh Says:

    I have to say I’m worried about auto shows as a press experience; I’ve been fortunate enough to attend NAIAS press days off and on since 1993.

    It seems like this year, and last year, were both very low key, with many of the reveals going to either individual events or CES. I hope we’ll see the pendulum swing back–I think those reveals kind of get lost in the news cycle very quickly.

    The auto show has a synergy effect where a lot of attention gets paid, whereas individual events get drowned out by information noise much more quickly.

    And what happened to interesting stuff? No creative reveals, almost no physical press kits…I realize these things cost money but they also create buzz. I miss the days where the auto show was a somewhat glamorous event where automakers liked showing off their creative side; this year it felt very perfunctory.