AD #2104 – VW Offers Big Diesel Bonus, Tire Noise Causing Health Problems, Mercedes Updates Driver Assist Features

May 8th, 2017 at 11:53am

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- VW Offers Bonus for Remaining Diesels
- Tire Noise Causing Health Problems
- Siemens Creates New EV Fast Charger
- Mercedes’ Updates Driver Assist Features
- Peugeot Shows Off Refreshed 308
- Is the Dodge Demon Too Fast?

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23 Comments to “AD #2104 – VW Offers Big Diesel Bonus, Tire Noise Causing Health Problems, Mercedes Updates Driver Assist Features”

  1. David Sprowl Says:

    If MB is depending on Nav for speed limit functions, Johnny Law is going to have a hey day lowering speeds for revenue enhancements. Seldom do my navs = the posted limits

  2. MJB Says:

    Tire noise contributing to ill health, disability or even early death? You’ve got to be kidding me. If that’s all being caused just the tires, what’s being caused by engine noise?

    I’ve always thought tires as producing more ‘white noise’ than anything else. I should know. For 15 years I lived on a freeway service-drive and never experienced any ill health.

  3. Buzzerd Says:

    VW- if none of the things they listed are affected by removing the cheat software then what was the point of the software?
    Demon- danger is in the operator, I’ve heard for years about different high powered motorcycles that have come out, it’s mostly about the operator. Now I’ll totally agree that’s it’s far easier to get yourself in trouble with a Demon compared to a Civic.

  4. Buzzerd Says:

    Tire noise killing people? Yea often these studies are refereeing to people that are chronically ill. Perfectly healthy people don’t drop dead one day because they’ve heard one to many sets of tires go down the road. Usually these types of people have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel, something is going to get them.

  5. NormT Says:

    MJB, the tinnitus from riding a in an economy car as they usually have less sound deadening is the of the contributing factors in hearing loss beside age.

    Many of journalist complain about Japanese cars as they do not offer sound insulation of thier peers.

  6. Lisk Says:

    Are the “fast chargers” compatible with today’s (or yesterday’s) EVs ability to take a charge? I know that on conventional lead acid and LIon batteries charging them a a higher rate than the design is a battery killer so wouldn’t that hold true for EVs? Also. is there something in the software or hardware that will limit the rate of charge the battery can accept? It seems that would negate the fast charging advantage.

    As for the Dodge Demon being “too fast”, I think Dodge did a good job in engineering the car to be safe and not out of control. From what I’ve seen, few owners do much with Hellcats other than produce tire smoke. I’ve yet to see one going through neighborhoods at 100 mph. Tuned Civics are 20 year old Camaros are another matter entirely…

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    That Peugeot 308 will probably be the basis for the next Opel/Vauxhall Astra.

    The main thing that might make the Demon particularly more “dangerous” than a regular Hellcat Challenger, would be drag racing tires. They probably wouldn’t be too good on wet pavement, and might be “unpredictable” on any pavement.

    If the VW’s perform the same as before, it probably means that the “new,” nonexistent EPA is just allowing them to be sold with the defeat devices. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have used the defeat software in the first place.

  8. GM Veteran Says:

    I notice in the VW story, the one item missing from their list of vehicle characteristics that do not exhibit any significant changes is the amount of pollution they produce. So, VW pays a big fine, removes the cheat software and is then able to sell the vehicles that pollute at 40 times the legal limit? Somehow this fix doesn’t seem right. And its doubly surprising in the state of California.

  9. Chuck Grenci Says:

    The danger of the Demon on public road will practically be nil; low production, low number of buyers even running on the street and some will be bought for collectors items and hardly see any ‘action’. And as earlier said, it’s the nut behind the wheel more than anything. No one has drawn a line in the sand, and if they did, it would probably be somewhere the 300 hp arena (and even that number is totally arbitrary).

    And I’ll also call B.S. on the tire noise issue; annoying, irritating…sure, dangerous….hardly.

  10. Roger Blose Says:

    Yes the Demon will have a few accidents from perhaps a service mechanic test drive / joy ride or a cars and coffee exit stunt. But with only 3000 units to be sold, no big issue. The retail price along will make these Demons not main stream versus the old Road Runner days. Dodge Marketing did a great job on the hype leading up to the launch. Where would you get insurance for this type of car?
    I agree with the comments on the VW software delete. Why did they use the cheater set up if the fix has no performance, durability, or economy problems. It does not make sense and I bet that the new purchasers of these cars may not feel the performance changes which VW is counting on. The press will be on top of this story big time.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Probably 2/3 of the Demons sold will have fewer than 1000 miles in the first 10 years. People will buy them and never drive tbem, except to an occasional show.

  12. pedro fernandez Says:

    I have tinnitus as well and I believe it comes from driving with my windows open, the latest car I have, a 2 door hatchback, has a certain annoying sound at highway speeds with the windows down that is forcing me to close them and use the a/c to avoid it.

  13. pedro fernandez Says:

    I think the Demon might be too much of a good thing, all that speed with sloppy handling is a recipe for disaster.

  14. Kate McLeod Says:

    I checked the press release on the link to “tyre” noise. There seems to be nothing backing up the claim that tire noise leads to premature death. I’d love to know what the sample was for that claim and how they set up the study? I imagine this: let’s find some sick people who live near a highway and throw open their windows for a year. Clearly, they died of open windows.

  15. phred Says:

    Tire noise kills!! Another statistical analysis to hype bogus auto safety. Sounds like some huy attempting to write a meal ticket and get on the lecture circuit.
    The Dodge demon is just another collector car for the hard core auto collector and a brilliant marketing idea. Keep the speciality cars coming. I have no interest in one of those electric phone booth cars that would snooze me to work in the morning. No “Zoom, Zoom, no Best or Nothing”! Why would you spend your money on that. Take the bus instead! Same driving/riding experience.

  16. MJB Says:

    #5 & 12, I regret that you guys suffer from tinnitus.

    When I first listened to the ‘tire noise’ report, I assumed the study was focusing on the effect it has on pedestrians. I didn’t even consider the effect on vehicle occupants. From that perspective I guess it can make more sense.

    But even then, when I cruise along on the freeway at 85mph with all my windows down, the air rushing past is probably a bigger contributor to the high decibels pounding my ears than tire noise (from my own car, and others around me).

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Even cars, like my Corvette, with fairly high tire noise in the cabin, have very low cabin noise “sealed up,” compared to with windows open. I’m lucky that my hearing is as good as it is, considering I’ve been around un-muffled model airplane engines, and have ridden motorcycles for many years. Now, I use ear plugs when I ride, even though my bikes have quiet, stock mufflers. Just the wind is loud enough to cause temporary ringing of ears, and permanent hearing damage over time.

    As far as tire noise, either inside or outside the car, I doubt that it kills people, or is a major factor in hearing damage/permanent tinnitus. As Pedro states in #12, driving with windows open would be a much bigger factor.

  18. Albemarle Says:

    If I didn’t have tire noise, I might forget what I was doing and step out of my Bolt EV on the highway…

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 You must drive with the windoes up, at least at highway speed:-)

  20. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Pedro: Easy fix to the wind pressure problem,buy a set of those window visors.Cured every new vehicle I’ve had since I discovered them.In fact I just got a set for my van.

    Tinnitus: I’m service connected for it,(one of the many things). Got it by sitting a few feet in front of a jet turbine,and a few feet away from a nasty sounding main rotor transmission.2 years worth over 45 years ago and I still hear it 24/7.

  21. FSTFWRD Says:

    I’ve always wondered, how did Ferrari get away with the “308″ when Porsche had to change the “901″ to “911″ because of Peugeot. Did Ferrari pay $$ to Peugeot to use that number? Just wondering.

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 Unfortunately, the word wasn’t out soon enough that long term exposure to loud noise causes permanent hearing damage.

  23. Len Simpson Says:

    The “tire noise” people used to focus on car beepers for blind people
    There is no range anxiety in the Nissan ePower machine not available here yet,.– Nissan Note, the common sense car

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