AD #2251 – New EV to Replace Acura ILX, ZF Stops Cars from Going Wrong Way, Dealers Hurting Electric Car Sales

December 12th, 2017 at 11:24am

Runtime: 7:32

0:32 Acura to Drop ILX for New EV
0:54 Glider Trucks May Have EPA Mandate Repealed
2:05 Ride Sharing Could Replace Most Miles Driven
2:55 Autopilot Reduces Insurance Rates in Britain
3:33 ZF Develops Wrong-Way Inhibit System
5:14 Suppliers Adapt to Boost Stock Prices
6:06 Dealers Hurting EV Sales

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20 Comments to “AD #2251 – New EV to Replace Acura ILX, ZF Stops Cars from Going Wrong Way, Dealers Hurting Electric Car Sales”

  1. XA351GT Says:

    Maybe Dealerships are just trying sell what people want. For all the talk of all these Electric cars that will hit the road . There sure doesn’t seem to a lot of people wanting them yet. Maybe if the charge times equal what a fuel stop does and with the same frequency Oh and at a price that makes sense people will take them seriously ,but right now it looks like 99.82% of the people don’t.

  2. buzzerd Says:

    I live in a small town and the Chev dealer here doesn’t sell the Bolt or Volt. Friend of mine who is a salesman there told me GM wants to much investment from the dealer to become an authorized dealer of that range.

  3. lambo2015 Says:

    Hopefully ZF’s solution to wrong way driving will not shut down a vehicle that is forced over to opposing lanes in a construction zone. Many bridge repairs move East traffic onto the West lanes and are typically narrow with reduced lanes. Add a stalled out car that can only reverse and that could get ugly.

  4. lambo2015 Says:

    I wonder if the sales commission on an EV is the same. With their upper price range and dealership owners not wanting them to stay on the lot long maybe they have little room to make money and prefer to sell a customer a car they will make a decent commission on. Just a thought.

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    A big problem with selling Chevy Bolt, is that they are apparently sold in only a handful of places. The Indiana dealer where I bought my Corvette doesn’t have them, nor does the nearby Chevy dealer in Florida. I know people both places who would be potential buyers.

  6. Poilu Says:

    Another reason that dealers aren’t crazy about EVs: they need less service, and Dealers make almost half their profit from the service department.

  7. lambo2015 Says:

    #6 Poilu Well between the EV cutting into mechanical repairs and AV cutting into bodywork then dealers better prepare for the loss in revenue.

  8. Albemarle Says:

    While it will be a long time before EVs are popular, there’s no reason they shouldn’t be a viable option for customers at the dealership. Many dealers have spent big bucks for the equipment and training needed, but are being held captive by their sales people. It’s management’s fault for hiring these folks. Let’s get that 71% to 95%, clean house and get some help at hiring.

  9. Jonathan Says:

    I shopped the three all electric cars available today and didn’t find them meeting my needs.

    The leaf was too ugly, the bolt was a nice driving experience but the hard plastics and door stop styling put me off from actually desiring one. The tesla model S drove well but was too large and quite frankly I didn’t think it offered the value that I expect especially for 80 grand plus.

    I thought the autopilot 2.0 was garbage compared to my previous tesla model S driving experience which was autopilot 1.0.

    I drove these vehicles today and walked away unimpressed for one reason or another.

    I have a 2016 reservation for the tesla model 3 awd and was surprised by my dismay of the model S autopilot today.

    I definitelly will not pay 5 grand for autopilot 2.0 as it drives today. I may still pick up the model 3 base model with awd as a family transport as the vehicle is pretty, spacious, inexpensive and relatively quick. The range is fine and in my opinion for the money it reminds me of an Aston Martin rapids in looks…

    Still I have about a year to go before my model 3 will be delivered because I ordered on the second day of the original release. That being said I have a reservation with jaguar or I should say my name is on the jaguar dealers list because they don’t know the price of the vehicle..but it looks very pretty and accelerates quite well according to reports. Again it’s a jaguar so I have my concerns with regards to driveability…

    So that leaves VW and GM for its bolt derived Buick cuv…again depending on the styling…if it’s attractive and it’s out before the model 3 next year…so I’ll look at the Buick.

    That’s about the whole story. Today’s 3 car lineup that have somewhat decent range…which I consider over 200 at minimum it’s really a two car lineup..

    Hybrids with two powertrains are of no interest to me as a consumer. Absolutely none.

    It’s too early to tell for sure….but the driving experiences to date lead me to believe the internal combustion engine vehicle is not long for this world. Love my corvette and I’m keeping it …but as far as regular family transports .,.and future sports cars I believe…ICE is over as costs come down for all Americans..who have a garage to charge up overnight.,,

    I don’t see any reason to buy a gas powered vehicle competitor unless the cost is much less or the styling is better..which I’m sure it will improve,

    I’m not a greenie, I don’t care about global warming…but from a drivers perspective.,,electric vehicles are superior driving experiences..

    Just shooting the breeze as I mentioned…I went out and test drove them today as it’s been rumored the tax credit is in jeapordy by January 1 and I was curious if I wanted to purchase before then ..

    Even loosing the $7500 tax credit the vehicles are not of interest to me today…so I’ll wait..and see the model 3 in person, the jaguar I pace as well as the upcoming Buick derivative of the bolt.,,

    Technically the bolt is excellent..,I just can’t desire to own a vehicle styled in such a utilitarian manner. Believe it or not..even though not as fast as the model S 100d I thought it road better..both interior plastics were crap and that needs to change,

    Good show, good questions…hopeful the variety of all electric ev s improves over the next few years..which I’m sure it will

  10. Jonathan Says:

    Ilot 2.5

  11. Ukendoit Says:

    Today’s show hit the nail on the head as far as electrics. I could have told you that though; for the past 15-20 years I have been periodically enquiring at dealerships about hybrids/electrics (since the first Honda Insight & Toyota Prius in the late 90s). I still haven’t bought any, but it has been like pulling teeth trying to get any car salesman to find any information on them (as opposed to what is familiar to them) or locate one to test drive. Numerous times I have been dissuaded from even gathering info on electrics from dealerships. As a disclaimer, I haven’t tried lately for Prius info; now that they are more common I just ask friends that have them. I also haven’t tried at the local Tesla boutique near me.

  12. lambo2015 Says:

    If none of you have watched these two documentary movies on EVs they are pretty good.

    “Who killed the electric car” 2006
    “The revenge of the electric car”. 2010

    They were available on Netflix streaming.
    Interesting 10 years later.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Toyota dealers have generally had sales people who know about Priuses, and have had cars to test drive and buy, at least since the Gen 2 hit the market in 2004, and the car became “mainstream” with annual sales of 100K+. The new Prius Prime plug-in hybrid is a different story, though. By all accounts, it is a very good car, but Florida and Indiana dealers don’t sell it.

    Beyond that, it seems that there is little support and dealer knowledge. I’ve found it hard to find dealer support or interest, even at Ford dealers, and they have some decent hybrids and plug-in cars. The Fusion hybrid is selling well, in spite of the dealers.

  14. phred Says:

    I bought a Hyundai Sonata Hybrid for my wife instead of a Volt simply because the sales staff at two separate Chevy Dealerships show no interest in demonstrating their Volt cars to my wife even after I told the Sales staff “She is your customer!” The Hyundai dealership had slick showroom displays and several cars for her test drive. She picked a color and they found the car in 30 minutes…all in the Southern California area.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #14 It looks like dealer experience will cost, and gain sales, involving cars that don’t even really compete with each other.

  16. BobD Says:

    I’ve checked the Indianapolis area inventory several times since August and there is rarely more than 2 or 3 Bolts listed. Granted it’s cold in Indy this time of year, but you can’t sell what you don’t have, or can’t demo. There seems to be an ample supply of Volts in the area. Disappointing, but not surprising.

    btw – The salesman I use at my local Chevy dealer has been there at least 40 years. He has a good client base with lots of repeats… I’ve probably ordered a dozen cars from him.

  17. Ctech Says:

    The modern sales force is under educated compared to the previous generation. Add the different information needed for electric cars and sales people are even less competent. It does take an investment in new equipment and training for electric cars which perhaps the manufacturers need to work to reduce the cost to the dealer.

  18. lambo2015 Says:

    In my personal experience most sales folks were exactly that “sales” people. They had a good general knowledge of the vehicles and could walk you through how to pair your phone and set your radio preferences. When it comes to technical aspects and sometimes what available engine offerings they needed help. One salesman even tried to tell me the vehicle was offered with the bigger V6 which was the only engine offered in that vehicle. So when faced with questions about how the EV works its expected battery life and other technical questions that they probably are not real sure about, I would bet that is part of the reason they avoid steering customers toward EVs.

  19. Bob Wilson Says:

    SouthEast Toyota apparently hates hybrids and plug-ins. So all three of our Prius including the Prime were bought outside of their region.

    We had no trouble buying a new Camry, 1991, and minor problems with the new Echo, 2001. On the Echo, I had to walk to the door before they finally realized how hard they were working to NOT sell the fuel efficient Echo we wanted.

    Bob Wilson, Huntsville, AL

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I kind of hated to do it, but I bought my 2017 Prius in Florida. The dealer was very helpful in getting exactly the car I wanted, and delivered directly from the port, so I was getting a new car, rather than one acquired from another dealer.

    Still, SE Toyota Distributors are crooks, and have a $299 SET surcharge on the sticker for “inspection,” or similar. At least it wasn’t as bad as the $699 SET surcharge a few years ago. Also, if I had a place to plug a car in at my condo, I would have wanted a Prime, and would have needed to go elsewhere. SET still doesn’t sell Prius Primes, as far as I know.