AD #2278 – Porsche Is On A Mission E, Munro Tears Into A Tesla, Daytona 24 Sets New Record

January 29th, 2018 at 11:31am

Runtime: 9:05

0:30 German Automakers Accused of Testing on Humans
1:17 California Wants to Boost EV Spending
1:48 Ford Earns Peanuts in China
2:57 Porsche Is On A Mission E
3:31 Mercedes Electrifies Commercial Vans
4:08 Daytona 24 Sets New Record
5:23 Munro Tears Into A Tesla

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31 Comments to “AD #2278 – Porsche Is On A Mission E, Munro Tears Into A Tesla, Daytona 24 Sets New Record”

  1. MJB Says:


    Good luck getting Munro’s finds on that hood release published where the masses can see. Unfortunately, there may be just too much momentum swinging Tesla’s way right now for it to even register a speed bump.

  2. phred Says:

    The “tear Down” is something that OEMs traditionally do internally to correct little “issues” The one this guy is pointing out reflects a total lack of detail for a “real world car” by Engineering. Does anyone at this factory have any real experience building production cars?.

  3. Lisk Says:

    Watched a good bit of the 24 Hours of Daytona and was impressed mostly by the lack of cautions. Also very impressed by how reliable the cars are today. I think there were only 5 that DNF’d, and all that were running, it was more like a 2 hour sprint race than an endurance one. It’s been that was for a few years, but they keep going faster. The “Balance of Power” seems to be working except for the 5-minute refueling penalty to the Audi R8 for being able to fuel quicker with IMSA spec equipment. A good race even though my Corvettes fell short.

  4. Jake Ryan Says:

    Hooray for Ford! They built a race car, barely made it street legal, trickled out a handful to customers, and now win races against a street car that is converted for racing (ie, Corvette). Oh, and the games they played with ACO to have the racing “season” last a year and a half, is galling too.

    The GT is built to be a race car, playing against street cars that are modified to race. It’s not apples-to-apples or even a level playing field.

  5. MJB Says:

    Off topic question here Sean/John. Do or will (fully) autonomous cars automatically avoid potholes?

    Like any other scenario involving a choice between the lesser of two evils, I’ll assume the car will not swerve around a pothole if the result would cause an accident or pedestrian injury…

  6. Brett Cammack Says:

    If “Voice of the Automotive Industry” doesn’t work out, try: “Delivering Automotive News to a Grateful Nation”.


  7. buzzerd Says:

    Speaking as a fire fighter I also find the emergency hood access ridiculous.
    I watched the after hours show and Sandy mentioned where you would access the trunk. The spot that is hidden underneath the trunk lid! You had a firefighter call in and say his department had detailed drawings for all the cars…. well, my department employs about 200 men and I can tell you we don’t have and have never had any type of information like that.

  8. BobD Says:

    So would there been less criticism of the German emissions testing on humans had the “volunteer” subjects been VW, BMW, and Daimler executives that were originally responsible for diesel-gate?

  9. Chuck Grenci Says:

    I too was pulling for the Corvette’s. There was some (fan) accusations that Ford sand-bagged qualifying so that they didn’t get any power-reduction penalties, but that (to me) is only rumor, so I’m going to give kudo’s to the “GT’S” because they still had to race (and race hard). One lap, after 24 hours is not an overwhelming victory to me (though a victory none the less); well done.

    Cadillac did well (and again, I’m a fan) though the proof will be in the pudding when they go big-time (at Lemans). I’ll be rooting for them then too.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’d always wondered about emergency entry into the cabin area of cars with electric door latches. The “regular use” door latches of a C7 Corvette are electric, both inside and outside of the car. There is a mechanical release inside, though, at floor level, that emergency responders could probably get to with the window broken out.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Maybe they need to have 48 hours of Daytona and Le Mans, to put endurance back into endurance racing. These things have gotten too reliable.

  12. buzzerd Says:

    Kit- doors are fairly easy – try before you pry but after that there are a number of tools that will gain access quickly. The Tesla hood would be much of the same but if you don’t have to do more damage to the car then that’s always better. Also with so much plastic and aluminum in cars it makes it more difficult because instead of prying an entire panel out of the way they can just tear at the purchase point- slowing everything down.

  13. buzzerd Says:

    Chuck- doesn’t everyone sand bag a little? I’ve read before about the Vettes racing at LeMan, the team knew if you were too fast in qualifying you can expect weight to be added before the race.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Sandbagging or not, one would expect a race car that starts as a $400K road car to do a little better than a race car built from a $55K road car. I’m looking forward to racing with the C8, when it arives.

  15. DK Says:

    Regarding Model 3: According to the first responder guide there is also a first responder loop in the RH Rear quarter panel of the vehicle. Either one can be cut to disable high voltage.

  16. Lisk Says:

    8) Chuck, the Cadillac’s won’t be going to LeMans as the DPi class is only for the IMSA races at the moment. The cars running in LMP2, GTLM, and GTD are eligible, but only if they perform well. LeMans these days is a by invitation only event. Maybe the Corvettes will get the upper hand on the GTs this year at LeMans.

  17. Barry T Says:

    I’m no engineer, nor Tesla fanboy, but looking at the front hood up in the video, why couldn’t a first responder just cut the hinge at the base of the windshield and fold the hood forward to reach those cables? Those hinges didn’t look too stout…

  18. Bob Wilson Says:

    January 25, a Model 3 crashed into a power pole. The pictures show the hood opened by itself. Regardless, a portable, powered circular saw would easily take out a hood hinge.

    #7 Fully agree although the Germans have had problems with gasses in the past. The optics are terrible.

  19. Tuck&roll Says:

    So, Governor Moonbeam is at it again. Good, more fossil fuel for the rest of us. But, I can hear him and his moon bats complaining now. Where will they be able to dispose of all those batteries? And the electricity. The electric plants are
    polluting the air. But, at least it’s not the hated automobile. When will this state just secede?

  20. Sean McElroy Says:

    @MJB – I’m not sure if current systems are being programed to avoid potholes, but I’d like to think they are since potholes can be a safety concern. I’m sure the sensors can detect a pothole and the vehicle could just maneuver around it, if traffic permits. And with vehicle to vehicle (V2V) and vehicle to infrastructure (V2I) communication any vehicle “connected” to the system will receive a warning of a pothole ahead from other cars that have already passed it. That way the vehicle could move out of the way far ahead of time and never have to make the choice in the scenario you provided.

  21. Chuck Grenci Says:

    With the proliferation of electric vehicles, or at least the prediction of the proliferation of electric vehicles, a standardized way to disconnect the electrical source via universal power disconnect (or similar) should be legislated into the production of these type propulsions. Much lesser accoutrements have been legislated to the manufacture of the automobile that such a safety item should be held high on the list of needed additions.

  22. buzzerd Says:

    @16- you would need to know where the hinge was, it’s easy once you see it now, hinges aren’t hard to cut but you need access to them and again, you shouldn’t have to destroy a vehicle to just disconnect the power. It’s not always life or death, most of the time you are just trying to make the situation safe, a simple cable and pull can save a lot of damage- not to mention future maintenance costs when the electric gizmo decides to not work.

  23. John McElroy Says:

    20. Chuck, what a great suggestion. Most race cars are required to have a very visible kill switch. Maybe we need an SAE standard for one on production cars. Make it as common as PRNDL, so that first responders know exactly where to go when they arrive at an accident instead of having too study an app when seconds count.

  24. Lex Says:

    If German OEMs are testing Diesel emissions on Monkeys what are they testing EV’s on “Electric Eels?

    This is very unfortunate for the German OEMs! These German OEMs should donate a “Boat Load of Money” to the Humane Societies and Wild-life Preservation Funds for their poor judgement!

    Sandy Munro is very smart and entertaining. His firms deep drive maybe able to assist Elon Musk with improvements to the Tesla Model 3 version 2.0.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Maybe tbe disconnect could be located near, or with the charge point on plug-in cars.

    John, funny you mention PRNDL. That was such a good standard for many years, for both steering column and console shifters, until all of these “alternative” shifters started showing up. At least they still use the same letters for going forward, backward, etc.

  26. PaulR Says:

    The model 3 battery should have a pyro disconnect. If that operates on airbag deployment and the rescue ream have a way of verifying isolation, then needing to cut wires should be unnecessary in other than exceptional circumstances.

  27. Bobby T Says:

    #4, mjb, the only way an autonomous car could avoid potholes in my neighborhood would be for it to park itself until Spring.

  28. Don B. Says:

    So Hitler’s car company is looking to the past for inspiration. It would have be easier to check with the CDC or American Medical Association for data.

  29. Chuck Grenci Says:

    I remember a story on Autoline Daily of a stand-alone pothole detector (I’m thinking something from Ford maybe) with some sort of radar/sonar in or near the front bumper. One would need something like that to mitigate hitting pot-holes; just automatous vehicles wouldn’t steer around them unless they were somehow entered into the ‘system’. And if they were that infamous (of a pothole) you’d think they would patch it.

  30. Lambo2015 Says:

    Great just what we need another reason to not fix potholes cause the cars will detect them.

  31. BobD Says:

    I think this has been discussed before, but with camera detection of the pothole and electronically controlled dampeners, the front, then rear wheel can just be controlled to not drop into the pot hole, thus avoiding the damage, unless of course there are two potholes that will hit both sides of the car at the same time.