AD #2305 – Audi Shows Off Passenger Drone, Camry Is Killing Accord, VW Predicts Diesel Resurgence

March 7th, 2018 at 11:31am

Runtime: 7:02

0:26 Audi Shows Off Passenger Drone
1:11 CARB Supports Achates Engine
2:42 Camry Is Killing Accord
3:25 VW Predicts Diesel Resurgence
5:16 Bentayga PHEV Beats 2021 CO2 Standard
5:57 VW Shows Off Another BEV Concept

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38 Comments to “AD #2305 – Audi Shows Off Passenger Drone, Camry Is Killing Accord, VW Predicts Diesel Resurgence”

  1. Kate McLeod Says:

    It’s nice that Matthias Mueller thinks diesel will come back. Like, seriously? SAD

  2. Bradley Says:

    My Achates question is “why not use a boxer style cylinder arrangement?”

  3. Bradley Says:

    My thoughts on the Camry beating the Accord.

    Talking heads and Car Journalists now have to compete with all the average Joe’s YouTube videos on car reviews. Just because an enthusiast deems something better…doesn’t mean its better for all.

    Around me, Honda dealers are either old or have been acquired by larger dealers. So there are more mom and pa Toyota dealers, and the experience is a lot better.

  4. Barry Says:


    The death of diesels is greatly overrated! There are many applications for which diesels are a perfect fit.

  5. WineGeek Says:

    John selling diesels in larger pickups is not really a sign that diesels are having resurgence. Volkswagen single handedly killed the diesel market and now they predict a resurgence… wishful thinking. Maybe they will also predict they will get the billions in fines and penalties they had to pay refunded!

  6. Frederick Schmidt Says:

    Honda, no V6? Bad decision. There are many people, myself included, that don’t want 4cyl whether its blown or not! The 4 cyl engine will never be as smooth, quiet or powerful as the V6. People want choices and Honda isn’t offering it. Toyota does have the V6 in the Camry and that gives the buyer a choice. I am a Honda fan but I want a choice.

  7. Ron Paris Says:

    So let me see, you’ve got no major OEM expressing any interest in the Achates engine while CARB throws millions of taxpayer dollars at it. Sounds like business as usual in the land of crony capitalism!

  8. buzzerd Says:

    how do you know no major OEM has expressed interest?

  9. Kevin Anderson Says:

    I like the looks of all of the new VW ID electrics. My only question is, why can’t the production gas VWs look as good?

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    2 If, by boxer, you mean like a BMW “R” bike, Achates uses the two crankshafts, etc. to eliminate cylinder heads. I’m still a skeptic, since we have heard so much, for so long about the engine, but I’ll be checking out AAH. It should be interesting. I won’t be able to watch, or comment live, but I’ll check it out later.

  11. Frederick Schmidt Says:

    The idea of a passenger drone with todays technology and the proliferation of computer viruses is a horrible concept. Many commercial planes can take off and land without human input, but any airborne passenger vehicle with no pilot makes little sense. At one time I was a pilot in civil aviation and the last thing I would want is flying around with no pilot to take over when things go wrong. Then there’s the defective part that will happen sooner or later…it could lead to “down we go”.

  12. Brett Cammack Says:

    I would speculate that the Honda Accord’s competitors are the Honda CR-V and the Honda Pilot to a greater extent than the Camry is.

    It looks to me that the Camry occupies a space somewhere between the RAV4 and the Highlander so that they are not competing as directly with the Camry.

  13. omegatalon Says:

    Europe may be forced to do a rethink of diesels when they cannot afford to upgrade their power grids or create the infrastructure necessary for EV as while ZEV may seem nice, it’s just too expensive and Europe has no current way to cheaply generate the thousands of megawatts of electricity needed..

  14. omegatalon Says:

    I thought General Motors would be offering a 2.7L opposed piston engine for it’s new Silverado 1500 as it would meet emission standards beyond 2025 and still be capable of near 40mpg mileage.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Part of the reason the Camry outsells the Accord could be gas mileage. The best mileage version of the Camry does {slightly} better than the Accord, and is also more “conventional,” with no turbocharger, and no CVT. Also, the “performance” version of the Camry does only slightly worse, but with a V6, rather than a turbo four.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    One cool think about the Accord, though, is you can still get a manual transmission.

  17. Frederick Schmidt Says:

    I have a 2013 Honda Crosstour V6awd. On my trips to Nebraska and back to NJ I average 26 to 30 mpg and that is at speeds around 75 to 80 mph. There are stretches where it is above 30 mpg. Two adults and luggage for a weeks trip. The engine is the V6 Earth Dreams (whatever that is) with cylinder deactivation. The only way you know you are using 3 cylinders is by the dash board light. Its seamless when transitioning and in 3 cylinder mode. My guess an Accord that has no AWD the MPG would be higher.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 CR got 39 mpg with a V6 Accord, and 30 with a CrossTour in their 65 mph steady speed test. I don’t know if their CrossTour was FWD or AWD.

  19. Frederick Schmidt Says:

    18 Not a surprise. The bottom line is don’t take away choices and expect all of your customer base to accept it. And for me, I don’t like turbo’s. Lag and long term turbo life issues isn’t my desire.

  20. Bradley Says:


    Why aren’t the cylinders horizontal? Is what I mean by boxer.

  21. Lambo2015 Says:

    VW BEV concept is a very cool looking car and would be attractive even as an ICE vehicle.
    Looking at it without the steering wheel though makes me realize someday when AV are common the fight over who gets the front seat will no longer exist. At that point seems the rear seats will be the ideal spot as the front will probably rotate around and face rearward.
    Maybe they will need to widen cars and have everyone face sideways but without the steering of dash conventional layout seems obsolete.

  22. Lisk Says:

    IMO, the Achates engine looks far too complex for any kind of long term reliability. The design also appears to take up an awful lot of real estate under the hood. Bring back simple, compact, OHV engines. I’d be willing to give up a bit of hp for a smaller and lighter engine. I’d like to know how a 90% reduction in NOx can be achieved. If the engine is going to be using less fuel, won’t that in effect propagate increased NOx levels or will cylinder pressures be so low that the heat generated will create less NOx, but wouldn’t would create higher CO2 levels? CARB offering a $7 million grant to develop a Billion $+ project won’t have many takers.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 oops, misunderstood. It would probably be too wide, with those crankshafts and all that crap.

  24. XA351GT Says:

    Honda will have to take a page out of Toyota’s book and style the car more aggressively. That was my big complaint with the Camry for years was it was reliable but boring as hell to look at. They finally styled it so that it looks as nice as it drives. If Honda wants to play they need to put some excitement back in their styling. Most cars today are very reliable so something has to stand out and attract buyers. You 1st experience a car with your eyes , so that 1st look needs to be wow ,not meh.

  25. JWH Says:

    #19 – Turbo charged engines have improved greatly over the years compared to 70′s & early 80′s. I cannot detect any turbo lag on our 2018 Fusion 2.7L & our 2004 Volvo V70R (fairly large turbo on 2.5L engine) has minimal lag & no durability issues so far. Water cooled turbo bearings did wonders for reliability. That being said 2016 6.2 NA V8 has very good performance & driveability. Electronics has done wonders for performance, economy, & emissions to what we used to call muscle cars in the 1966 to 1970 timeframe.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I have an “old” turbo in my 1989 minivan. It has a little lag, especially at low rpm, but it’s not a problem. It has been reliable, but it has only 70K miles.

    The thing I don’t like about these new turbos, is that they don’t buy you anything. In some applications, in CR’s tests, the four cylinder Ford turbos are near worst-in-class in both mpg and acceleration. What’s the point of the extra complexity?

  27. Lisk Says:

    I was always fond of GM’s “old” philosophy on engines for good highway economy. Put a larger displacement engine and tall gearing and great economy was a given. The LeSabres and Bonnevilles used the tried and true Buick 3.8 V6 and a 4-speed auto resulted in 30+ highway mpg. Corvette is still the same way.
    Turbos should be used (in most cases) for top level performance, not as a false fuel economy crutch.

  28. Frederick Schmidt Says:

    25,26,27 all good points. But 27, you are in my frame of thought. My late brother had a 03 Caddy Deville with a V8 and he on long trips would get 28 to 32 mpg. The engine would loaf along at very low rpms and be very quiet. And yes todays electronic engine management gets much better mpg out of engines. 4 cylinder that is turbo charged to just get you down the road with no extra power is just more to go wrong at high miles. Removing weight from cars is also helping the end results.

  29. Lambo2015 Says:

    #26 Kit thats because Ford tends to go too small. When a 2.0L turbo would make for best in class power and fuel economy they go with a 1.5L hoping to hit targets they miss, and are left with under-powered and less than leading fuel efficiency.
    Just recently drove a brand new Chevy Malibu with the 2.0L turbo and was very impressed with the power delivery and how smooth and quiet it was period. Wasn’t just good for a 4cyl it was good in comparison to all power-trains.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 The Fusion and Escape 1.5 were among the bad ones, but, as I remember, the Edge with the 2.0 didn’t do well. I’ll check later. Maybe the Edge should have the 2.7 six. The thing is, the CR-V with a 1.5 turbo does very well. I don’t know if Honda uses better gearing, the engine is better, or what.

    I’ve driven a Camaro with the 2.0 turbo, and it drove very well.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Maybe the CVT is why the CR-V is quick and frugal, compared to most of its competition. Not all CVT-equipped vehicles do particularly well, but the CR-V does.

  32. Lambo2015 Says:

    #30 Yea the turbo used to be for power improvement so you would start with a large enough engine to move the vehicle sufficiently and then offer your sport or performance package with a turbo for a decent jump in power. But now they undersize the engines for the vehicle size and then turbo it to give it adequate acceleration. Its all about MPG hence (ecoboost) and not advertised like back in the day as TURBO POWERED!! Huge development in the the 3 and 4 cyl engine area.

  33. FSTFWRD Says:

    As far as the Accord vs. Camry issue goes, I don’t think it is a styling thing at all. I would believe it is the availability of the V6 in the Toyota.

    I wonder if John or Sean have the numbers on the engine mix of the Camry.

    I am shopping for a new car and will definitely avoid any 4 cyl. turbo. Just don’t like turbos for the long run.

  34. Lex Says:

    I am a fan of cylinder deactivation in 3.5L V6 engines which helps to deliver better fuel economy when cruising down the highway. I will not purchase or lease a vehicle with less than a 2.0L Turbo charged engine. The smallest I have gone in a conventionally aspirated ICE is 2.4L. Small CUV’s need to have at least around 200hp to be fun to drive.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    32 The trouble is, not all “ecoboost,” or other companies’ turbos actually deliver on fuel economy.

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    33 The vast majority of Camrys and Accords, probably 80% or more, have the base engine. Next summer I’ll talk to a salesman at a Toyota/Honda dealer and see what his experience has been selling Camry and Accord at the same store.

  37. Lambo2015 Says:

    #35 Kit yea some dont deliver the MPG because they just downsized it too small. When that little 3 or 4 cyl has the turbo engaged all the time to make enough power to keep up with traffic it was obviously too small. I think some are made with strictly urban city driving in mind and when used on the Hwy at 70+ mph they just dont deliver the economy cause they are tapped out on power. Just my thoughts.

  38. veh Says:

    My sources say less than 5% of Camrys sold in the US last year were 6 cylinder, and for model year 2017, Accord sales of the 6 cyl were about 13%. So Kit’s estimates are in the ballpark.

    The 6 cylinder Accord wasn’t doing too badly in comparison to the Camry, make you wonder why Honda dropped it and Toyota is keeping it!