AD #2342 – Ford F-150 Diesel Impressions, Protecting Cars from Hackers, How Many Countries Ship Cars to U.S.?

April 27th, 2018 at 11:34am

Runtime: 8:54

0:29 Ford F-150 Diesel Impressions
2:19 Hyundai Reveals New Sporty Sedan
2:40 Weekend Races
3:30 How Many Countries Ship Cars to U.S.?
4:11 Daimler Brings Garbage Truck to North America
4:43 BMW Helps Create Hyperloop One Capsule
5:41 Protecting Cars from Hackers

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23 Comments to “AD #2342 – Ford F-150 Diesel Impressions, Protecting Cars from Hackers, How Many Countries Ship Cars to U.S.?”

  1. George Ricci Says:

    The fuel mileage for diesel trucks is impressive, but when you factor in the extra cost of buying the diesel engine and then having to continually add DEF, the mileage advantage disappears.

  2. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I knew the Civic hatch was coming from the UK, but I had no idea cars were being imported from anywhere near 21 countries. The most recent one I heard about was Ford Ecosport, from India.

  3. Wim van Acker Says:

    @1 my daily driver is a Jeep Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel. I refill two $12 BlueDef packages per 10,000 miles. So that does not move the needle.

    I do get 26 mpg, which I believe is very good. I drive the turbo diesel engine because I love the torque, not for economic reasons. If you look at it from a financial point of view: diesel fuel is appr. 10% more expensive than gasoline, yet the fuel consumption is at least 20% less. So there is a number of miles driven per year at which you break even to recuperate the additional cost of the engine.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    1 …and diesel fuel costs more, 11% more in my area. The diesel wouldn’t make economic sense for many people, but some people just “like” diesels.

  5. Wine Geek Says:

    How are all theses small cars coming from Europe, when the US manufacturers want to build this size vehicle in Mexico or China? Do the Japanese manufacturers know something we don’t?

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5 Honda and Toyota would build cars like Civic hatch and Yaris in Europe, because that is where the bulk of a plant’s production would be sold. Similarly, BMW builds X5 in the U.S., because that is where most of them are sold.

  7. Buzzerd Says:

    The small diesels certainly give you the mileage but the trade of can be the reliability. In northern parts different manufactures have had problems with the DEF freezing, I know of people who have had different issues with sensors and the bigger diesels are know for turbo and injector replacement costs that can easily wipe out the fuel savings. Now add in that if you have an attached garage and the emissions and smell you definitely don’t want in your house….

  8. Wim van Acker Says:

    @7: my vehicle is always parked outside, in Michigan. Have never had any issue, not with the diesel engine of my current vehicle, and not with the previous one.

  9. Buzzerd Says:

    @8, could be but it happens non the less

  10. Lambo2015 Says:

    Sean one step further would be to know how many countries do the US makers export to? And what is the total number of exports vs imports and how has that changed over the last 50 years.

    Diesels have always been a perfect match for trucks. Problem was US makers were stuck in the mindset that they still needed to be V8s with TQ ratings on par with a Peterbilt and only offered in their HD lines with the Powerstroke, Duramax etc. Finally now they are making small turbo diesels with reasonable power that is sufficient for the 1/2 ton trucks. Again getting consumers to realize they dont need a V8 to get good power.

  11. Wim van Acker Says:

    @9: are all those problems with diesel engines the reason why they are the engine of choice all over the world for the heaviest duty applications, such as remote areas, military, extreme climates?

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 Years ago, a friend in Indiana had a VW Rabbit diesel, and had starting problems when it got really cold. Sometimes, he would mix a little gasoline with the diesel fuel if he knew it was going to get really cold, like below zero F. Since you don’t have trouble in Michigan, I suspect they are now selling “winter” diesel fuel in places where it gets cold.

    As far as the DEF, the systems are designed to warm up the tank and delivery lines if it freezes. They must use highly rubbery tanks and lines, since the stuff expands substantially when it freezes. Is that the case?

  13. XA351GT Says:

    To echo what George and Kit said, yes diesels look attractive at first glance ,but like EVs . The total cost involved makes them a more expensive option to ICE vehicles. You would have to sit down with all factors at hand to figure out which one is the most cost effective choice. The price of the vehicle, fuel costs, maintenance costs , how long you plan to own it. All that figures in to if your really saving yourself any money at all.

  14. Len Simpson Says:

    If that little horse trailer rig u tested had a vee nose , the mileage would have been infinitely better

  15. JWH Says:

    Diesels – 1. Some diesel engines do not have glow plugs (Example is Detroit Diesel 8V-71 from the 70′s. Loved to start when hot – When cold it occasionally need a little ether, & if really cold, fire up the small diesel that ran the trailer A/C unit to insure the tractor battery was fully charged.

    Cost analysis – Agree totally that a good decision incorporates all the cost – Initial fixed, variable running costs, maintenance, etc.

  16. Lisk Says:

    In the case against diesels in half ton trucks, I don’t see any practical use for them unless you run a courier service where the truck is lightly loaded most of the time. You’ll most likely never recoup the difference in money, however at trade in time you should be able to pick up a lot of money because it is a diesel. For trailer towing, it’s a big mistake for the tail to be bigger than the dog. Softer springs, and “P” (passenger) tires rather than “LT” (light truck) don’t have the sidewall stiffness to control sway. Because of shorter sidewalls 20 & 22 inch tires may be better.

    US diesels have a long reputation for injector and fuel pump issues. It usually happens just out of warranty. It should be a maintenance item.

  17. GM Veteran Says:

    I find it odd that Ford will only sell the diesel in the F-150 to consumers in the Lariat and higher trim levels, but will sell it in any trim level to fleet buyers. Seems as though there might be demand for it in the XLT trim level for those on a reasonable budget that still need good towing capability. Perhaps after its in the market for awhile they will open it up in lower trim levels for retail customers.

  18. Lambo2015 Says:

    #16 I would say the advantage is getting equal or greater power from a smaller engine that uses less fuel. Similar to Ford philosophy of their eco-boost engines you can start to save weight and engine packaging space by using smaller engines without losing power. Plus diesels have proven to have a longer life cycle than gas engines. As volume increases hopefully the cost will decrease and soon be a minor cost impact. The real indicator would be asking truck consumers what they would take if the cost difference was zero. Some would still prefer gas but many would switch if it was less than $1000. IMO

  19. Albemarle Says:

    It’s interesting to see the very large fuel mileage difference with the Ford diesel. Going from 30 mpg empty down to 13 when towing a box trailer is a big change. How about optimizing a work truck for work?

    If your job required the regular towing of a trailer, you would get very annoyed at the fuel mileage. I’d argue a good V8 would tow more economically.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    What is meant by “fleet” for ordering lower trim level F-150′s with the diesel? Can a dealer order two of them for a small “fleet” and sell them to regular customers?

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 Isn’t that mostly a myth, that diesel engines last longer than gas engines, except for serious, heavy duty ones like in big tractor trailers?

    Two friends have had diesel pickups, one Chevy and one Dodge/Ram. Both were high maintenance, the Chevy having injection system problems, and the Dodge, needing a expensive turbocharger replacement. On the other hand, a different friend recently replaced a 15 year old Chevy with the gas 4.3, which had essentially no repairs since new. The diesels had only about 100K miles when they needed expensive repairs, and the 6 cylinder gas Chevy had for more than that when sold. Yes, the diesels did more, and heavier towing, which makes a difference.

  22. veh Says:

    Our F150 with the 2.7 goes from about 18 mpg city driving to around 11 mpg towing on the freeway (3000 lb trailer). Doesn’t sound like a big advantage to taking the diesel, except if we needed more towing capacity.

  23. BobD Says:

    17 – Limiting desirable options on retail sales to upper trim levels is done all the time to “encourage” buyers to spend more than they really wanted to spend. It is all about marketing to maximize the transaction price. I’m sure there is a science to the logic doing a trade-off study. Fleet sales are more price sensitive so they allow those buyers to order just what they want and no more. The diesel option for the Colorado/Canyon are also more restrictive for retail vs fleet orders.