AD #2359 – CR Won’t Recommend Tesla Model 3, China Pushes Buyers Into EVs, Bosch Helps Prevent Motorcycle Wipe Outs

May 22nd, 2018 at 11:54am

Runtime: 6:38

0:29 Consumer Reports Will Not Recommend Tesla’s Model 3
1:14 China Pushes Buyers Into EVs, Out of Gas
2:05 China Reduces Import Tariffs
3:09 Low-Cost 3D Surround-View Camera from Magna
3:48 Dodge Viper Badges & Their Nicknames
4:25 Aerodynamic Wheels for Big Trucks
5:19 Bosch Helps Motorcycles from Wiping Out

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22 Comments to “AD #2359 – CR Won’t Recommend Tesla Model 3, China Pushes Buyers Into EVs, Bosch Helps Prevent Motorcycle Wipe Outs”

  1. Barry Says:

    John,
    Should Tesla investors be concerned without a recommendation from CR? After your program with Sandy Monroe and his team’s breakdown of a Tesla, I thought that might curb the enthusiasm of buyers but apparently not so much.

  2. Toby Says:

    Musk actually said that a firmware update will be issued, not a hardware update.

  3. Lambo2015 Says:

    The Bosch system is certainly an interesting concept and may work while cruising through a parking lot or turning a corner but I have doubts about its effectiveness at actual riding speed.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Tesla buyers don’t care about some things, but I suspect most of them would not want bad brakes. Actually, I’m surprised the 3 has that problem.

  5. Joe Pastor Says:

    CR also said Tesla’s “center-screen only” approach to key vehicle controls was dangerous, and I fully agree. I can just see some Tesla fanboy smoking one of these dual motor pocket rockets in a rainstorm,then trying to fiddle with his screen to turn on the wipers. Safe travels, fanboy!

  6. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    I do not see a compelling reason to buy a Tesla Model 3 over a Chevrolet Bolt. Consumers reports let tesla off the hook by not mentioning even more troubling issues like the reliability issues Edmunds has been dealing with.

    Anything the Tesla model 3 does, the bolt does the same or better. And it can be purchased for $35,000 any day of the week unlike a Tesla Model 3.

  7. Victor West Says:

    One thing Tesla has done is strike fear into the auto establishment. Owners tend to love them. Why is no one complaining about the kidde kar Ford Ecosport on US highways? Is panel fit more important that selling a car which cannot compete on US highways? The Ecosport’s native India is not LA to Vegas on I 15.

  8. Drew Says:

    If CR doesn’t like the Tesla 3 Touch screen, I wonder about their acceptance of the touch screens in the latest Volvo vehicles and Ram pickup. I recognize Volvo and Ram don’t put all controls in their touch screens, but a fair number of previously hard controls were displaced by such large screens.

  9. Drew Says:

    Victor, the US market Ecosport is a 2nd generation product, engineered to meet US customer and regulatory requirements. If Ford was going to dump a half-baked Ecosport on the US market, they would have done it 4-5 years ago.

  10. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Lambo – Good point. I wonder what is the top speed at which this device is still effective? It doesn’t say in the press release, but my sense from the video is that it may be about 25MPH. Maybe 2 gas accumulators per side would be better? But for some reason I can picture some yahoo twisting the nozzles to see if it has a “turbo” effect.

  11. Victor West Says:

    I still say if the tiny Ford is on the I 15 LA to Vegas, watch out. They drive that road like bats out of Hades. Read the review in the latest Car & Driver. An urban car it might be, but cross country it isn’t.

  12. ARHPG Says:

    With so much riding on the Model 3, Tesla should have known that the car wasn’t fully ready for release despite huge quality and basic-engineering problems with the car. Enter the usual “kiss of death,” *Consumer Reports,* and the car gets hammered. In addition, the reverse-engineered, complete tear-down of the Model 3 by Munro and Associates — obviously an objective approach to discover any problems with the car — revealed embarrassing issues with panel-fit-and-finish quality and safety engineering, but brought praise for the Model 3′s good acceleration and handling. Add to this the inability to introduce the $35K version (you could buy one, but perhaps you wouldn’t want one), and the impression is one of dire problems at the Tesla operation.

  13. Lambo2015 Says:

    #9 Sean after watching the video a few times I just don’t see the Bosch system ever being practical. You would need the training wheels like they have in their video due to the sudden shift in balance. In the video you can see the rear tire start to slip and when the thrust of air goes off the bike is pushed down or in the case of this video it would have pushed him over in the direction he was leaning. To make matters worse you have a bounce effect afterwards to deal with. Let’s not guess what may happen to ones leg if not in the correct position during this burst of air.
    Nice concept in theory but I’ll pass. But hey you have to start somewhere and they get a A for effort.

  14. JWH Says:

    #9 & #12 – I’m a little skeptical, however, I would assume Bosch has evaluated this. While I understand the training wheels during development, it would help to convince watchers if they had a video of unit in action without training wheels. Watching the top level motorcycle riders they not only support the bike with their knee during hard cornering, some of them are now using their elbow/arm in addition.

    Sean – Laughed at your comment regarding the “yahoos” turning the thruster to the rear for boost as that was my LOL comment to my friends when we first saw this a couple of days ago.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    6, 10 The Ecosport is big, compared to a car I sometimes drive on the highway, a MINI Cooper. It’s acceleration is more like another car I sometimes drive on the highway, a Prius. Yeah, the Ecosport is not a great car for the superslab, but every car now sold in the US is “capable” of highway use, if you don’t mind the noise, etc.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 Well, from what I can find, the Ecosport is a littlr slower than a Prius, but quicker than an entirely highway capable 1.9 TDI Jetta wagon I had.

  17. Bob Wilson Says:

    The AutoLine Daily transcript has an error with “hardware” cited about the Tesla Model 3. Using the same link provided, it is “. . .fixed with a firmware update . . .” Firmware is another type of software that is closely coupled to a dedicated function, like brakes.

    Other sources report the Tesla bug is in the ABS braking system. Since Tesla does ‘over the air’ updates, cars will have to go to a service center.

  18. Len Simpson Says:

    T3 is what happens when one secretly farms out to a chink , especially metallurgy

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Elon’s tweets about the CR article were “interesting.” First, he said they’d “never seen anything like this,” but a little later, said “looks like this can be fixed with a firmware update.” I suspect that, in the end, he wants be be on the good side of CR.

    As far as the touch screen controls, it is what it is, and I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t like having no wiper, radio, or HVAC controls. I don’t know if that, alone, would keep CR from “recommending” the Model 3, assuming the brake issue is fixed.

    7 Don’t the Volvos and Ram trucks at least have wiper controls, and and some conventional radio and HVAC controls?

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I was wrong re. the new Volvo and Ram touch screens. I found that neither has HVAC controls, other than on the screen.

  21. Chuck Grenci Says:

    9,12,13 If you catch the last sequence in the video, they do show the corrective action of the airbag burst without the training wheels. With that being said, I don’t think (this idea) will gain any traction in the market.

  22. Stephen Says:

    Its not just lack of space for new cars in china and hence the lottery, its that air pollution makes it look like paradise in LA before the Clean air acts. Even the Chinese elite is choking on this and hence the massive push on EVs. Beijing also sees that becoming a big ev market will help them compete with the Wests leadership in car design. China has also bet big on large scale wind-solar power and this helps square the circle