AD #2429 – Tesla Props Up EV Segment, Acura ILX Gets a New Look, 2019 Hyundai Santa Fe Impressions

September 6th, 2018 at 11:30am

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Runtime: 10:00

0:40 Tesla Props Up the EV Segment
1:25 Garrett Turbo Gets Spun Off
1:56 Consumers Making Car Payments On Time
3:08 The SAE Is On An AV Mission
5:05 2019 Acura ILX Updates
6:26 2019 Hyundai Santa Fe Impressions

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36 Comments to “AD #2429 – Tesla Props Up EV Segment, Acura ILX Gets a New Look, 2019 Hyundai Santa Fe Impressions”

  1. WineGeek Says:

    The rear of that new ILX looks like a Buick I saw yesterday.

  2. GM Veteran Says:

    Yes, Tesla production is up and they are finally starting to work on that backlog of orders for the Model 3. I am curious to see what will happen when the backlog is gone. And, there are more choices from competitors available to consumers. There may be another reason Elon decided to put the second production line for the Model 3 under a tent: he isn’t planning to need it for very long.

    I’m not hearing any amazing news on the numbers of new buyers adding their name to the waiting list for the Model 3. Elon would be smart to have a “right-sizing” plan for his carmaking operations that he can implement starting in about 18 months.

  3. Buzzerd Says:

    Hyundai standardizing all the ” safety features” would be a turn off for me. Certain advancements are great but I don’t want or need a car ” helping ” me stay in my lane and or blinking lights at me every time a car is beside me. I would shop elsewhere.

  4. Chuck Grenci Says:

    #GM Vet
    Agree, Tesla’s Model 3 competitors are equal in most areas (and maybe superior and/or inferior in others); it seems it is the marketing and clickiness of the brand that is driving sales, the anticipation of ownership (of a rogue/rebel brand) and that that is propelling electric sales and the increase that we are seeing. I too wonder what happens when stasis occurs and sales level to what the buyers demand.

  5. Lex Says:

    Too bad Hyundai did not improve the engines in the Santa FE. I test drove a 2018 and found the 2.4L to be sluggish. Hopefully the new transmission will give it some better get up and go. I love that color blue paint on the Santa Fe. Also the new instrument cluster in the 2019 looks far better than the 2018 coned instrument cluster.

  6. Lex Says:

    I must say that someone in the Honda Design Studio must be a viewer of Autoline. The refreshed 2019 Honda Pilot is exactly what I had described in my previous comments. I suggested that the Pilot should look more like the Ridgeline than the CR-V. The fog light need to be higher to avoid curb damage and be circular. The reverse lights are moved from the bottom of the rear bumper to also avoid being damaged when parking or backing up.

    The interior is great except for the instrument cluster. Why do we need such large temperature and fuel gages? They take up a lot of valuable informational real estate in front of the driver. Also a traditional circular tachometer is far more visually appealing than the bar type currently employed. Also I would like to see the Tan/ Carmel color leather interior available with all color choices especially the dark blue. I might be wanting to pick one up for 2020.

  7. Larry D. Says:

    The Tesla sales numbers you provide, Sean and John, are woefully low ESTIMATES of the exact numbers. You really need to distinguish between facts, such as announced sales numbers from other automakers, and ESTIMATES, such as the 8,514 you provide. Didn’t you think about this number before printing it? How is it possible, with a half million tesla 3s in the backlog, and a production of 5,000 WEEKLY (or more than 20,000 in all of August), and the Tesla 3 being just ONE of the three models it sells, how is it possible that sales were below 15,000?

    In fact, Tesla sales were estimated by other sources to be more than 23,000 for August alone.

    See my posts about this in yesterday’s show and previous ones.

  8. john fortman Says:

    i and many of my friends live in an apartment complex, where am i going to plug in an EV? my complex is not going to install outlets for our cars

  9. Lex Says:

    Any word when Waze will be able to run on Apple Carplay?

  10. Larry D. Says:

    2, 4 you must be Kidding me! How deep in theand must one bury one’s head to not admit that Teslas are in fact far SUPERIOR than anything any other automaker, and especially GM and nonexistent Ford and FCA, has put out today?

    Do you think it is a coincidence that only 1,200 Bolts were sold in August, vs 17,800 Tesla 3s alone?

    You must be living in a dream world…

  11. John W Says:

    #8 Lex I have heard it’s a part of the iOS 12 coming out this fall. You should be able to use Waze with CarPlay. I’m really hoping this is true!!

  12. GM Veteran Says:

    #7, perhaps Tesla is shipping much of its current production to other markets like China, Norway and Europe. Production from one plant for the entire world is one thing, actual deliveries in the U.S. is another. And, since Tesla doesn’t publish monthly sales numbers, estimates are all anyone has to go with. Not sure what “exact” numbers you are referencing.

    #2, I’m not burying my head in the sand, just recognizing the facts. Tesla has a large backlog of orders to fill. Once they have caught up and will need to produce to meet natural market demand, no one knows what that will look like. Hence my curiosity. Tesla makes a great product. But, they don’t have any magic engineering or technology that other large and very successful car companies can’t utilize. BMW, M-B, Audi and other more mainstream brands have a lot of talented people and are selling a lot of vehicles profitably. As more of the world market turns to electric propulsion, do you really think those companies are not going to address that market opportunity?

  13. Lambo2015 Says:

    So basically what you’re saying about the EV market is if Tesla had not had a huge backlog of orders the EV market would be declining.
    “It seems like car buyers are not that interested in electrics unless they have a Tesla badge on them.” or IMO just are not that interested in electrics period! Well, except for the folks that put deposits down months/year ago for a Tesla and are just now getting what they ordered.
    So once all these backorders are filled will there be a huge decline in EV sales? My guess is yes!

  14. JWH Says:

    #7 & 9 – Larry D – If you are not receiving payment from Tesla, you should be. Apologize to the other readers for the bandwidth. Have a good evening.

  15. Lambo2015 Says:

    What is the latest life expectancy years of a EV battery? So when all these Tesla’s and others EVs are 7-8 years old and in need of a new battery what will the used value be? Dont suppose Tesla is offing any lease deals.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3 In the not-too-distant future you may be out of luck, if you want to avoid the safety stuff. It is steadily trickling down to less expensive cars, as it becomes cheaper to make.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    2, 4 Tesla should have a wagon version of the Model 3 ready, for when they start catching up with backlog of the sedan. Tesla is doing a very good job of selling sedans that “nobody wants,” and they might be able to do equally well with wagons.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It looks like Hyundai are downgrading the powertrains of the Sante Fe quite a bit, replacing the very nice 3.3 V6, with a turbo 4. Of course, almost everyone else is doing that. Maybe the 8-speed transmission will partly make up for the 55 fewer horsepower.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 A lot of predictions, are that 8 years from now, batteries might cost about a third what they do now. That would help when those cars need new batteries.

  20. Lex Says:

    I wonder if OEMs are engineering these smaller turbo charged 1.5 to 2.0L engines to be easily swapped out of vehicles after 60-100K miles?
    If would make sense since vehicles are lasting longer and only the electronics and mechanicals wear the fastest.

    In this whole discussion of EV’s and PHEV’s I think most consumers want the security of knowing that if the battery loses charge they can switch over to gasoline, or once the infrastructure is built, hydrogen fuel to power their vehicles in the case of longer than usual trips IMHO.

  21. Lex Says:

    I put off buying a new vehicle in anticipation of the New Honda Passport. The New Passport is reported to be a 5 passenger shorter version of the Honda Pilot. I hope it is a marriage between the Pilot and the Ridgeline. This would be a winning combination since Ford is resurrecting the Bronco and other OEM’s have similar projects in their pipelines.

  22. Chuck Grenci Says:

    And I think one of the reasons some of the OEM’s are pushing for one grade of higher octane fuel is because of the proliferation of all these small displacement engines with turbos.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    19 I suspect most of these turbo fours will run 200K miles, if they are properly maintained, and not driven abusively. We should know in a few years, as the miles add up.

    As far as them making sense, it’s not clear. Some of the Ford Ecoboost applications give both mediocre performace and gas mileage, in real world driving.

  24. Chuck Grenci Says:

    I also believe that with proper maintenance the small turbo engines should last to a greater extent as most any engine out there. Even the best engines out there can sucome to aberrant failures. Change that oil and let the good times roll.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    They say to change oil more often with turbos. It’s 15K miles for my non-turbo 2010 Mini. It’s 10K for my sister’s 2017 turbo Mini.

  26. FSTFWRD Says:

    I would think the engines will not be a problem, my concern are the trans, turbos, and other expensive pieces. We’ll see.

  27. Bob Wilson Says:

    The Tesla secret is their SuperChargers. I ran a BMW i3-REx benchmark driving to Nashville in EV and returning on the gas engine (see link.)

    The EV segment cost ~$26, 143 miles, and 3.5 hours. The charging sessions were ~45 min midway and ~45 min in Nashville. Both 3d party chargers had problems requiring a service phone call and debugging. Good news, hitting Nashville rush hour reduced battery consumption 13% (4.7 mi/kWh to 5.3 mi/kWh.)

    The gas leg return cost ~$6, 111 miles, and 2.5 hours. Topping off the battery at home was $0.77 that cost $6-7 at the 3d party chargers. The 3d party, fast DC chargers required service calls and one station had two of four chargers down. They do not share Tesla’s SuperCharger motivation.

    Had it been a long-range Model 3, the same route would cost less than $7.80 electricity with no charging stops. The driver would known where the SuperChargers are; they charge twice as fast; if they are in use, and; secure Tesla keeps them working.

  28. Bob Wilson Says:

    About Tesla 70% share of EVs, at one time the Prius was ~70% of the hybrid and EV market. A new leader, Tesla is conquest selling to trade-in Prius, BMW, Accord, Civic, and Leaf owners (see link.) The Model S/X have already gutted the top-end, luxury car market.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25 My turbo 1989 Dodge Caravan has the original Garrett Airesearch turbocharger, but it has only about 70K miles.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27 I’m not surprised about that list, except maybe Civic. The thing that surprises me, is that they think people are trading Tesla S’s on Model 3′s. To me, the S looks better, has a better interior and controls, and much more utility. I guess some people just want something new.

  31. Larry D. Says:

    JWH:

    Sure, of course Tesla is paying me millions per year to say how great they are. Don’e you already know that? The next thing you will say is that the moon is made of blue cheese and that Oliver Stone killed JFK.

    I find your worthless insults unacceptable. I am the ONLY person in the forum that do not have the LEAST conflict of interest, I am neither paid nor do I own shares in ANY car company,m whether it is Tesla or the bankrupt losers in Detroit who obviously PAY YOU.

  32. BobD Says:

    12 – I agree with your statement except for your last sentence, “…except for the folks that put deposits down months/year ago for a Tesla and are just now getting what they ordered.”. Actually the people that put down deposits months/years ago were promised Model 3s for $35,000. What they are now having to order (if they want a Model 3) is a $50k+ version. This is definitely bait and switch, but it seems to be working for now.

  33. Bob Wilson Says:

    In 24 days, we’ll get the preliminary Q3 numbers and a month later, the Tesla financials. But I agree the Model S/X are not the same class as a Model 3.

    Perhaps adding to the family fleet, the Model 3 makes sense. Other than a divorce settlement or estate sale, used Model S/X remain rare enough their depreciation is very shallow.

  34. Lambo2015 Says:

    #31 Yea I wasn’t sure how that was being handled with the folks that placed a deposit thinking they were ordering a 35K car and its now 50K. I’ve gone to the Tesla website and see the base MSRP for a 3 is now $49,000. So much for a reasonably priced Tesla.
    I do believe this spike in EV sales is a flash in the pan and will trickle back to a small percentage of sales after the Tesla orders are filled. Until a better battery is invented Hybrids will continue to grow and I think the pure EVs will be stay a small segment of the market.

  35. Lambo2015 Says:

    #32 The Tesla used market I’m sure is rare and still with little depreciation. They came out in 2012 and only delivered 2650 cars that year. So they are just now getting to that 6 year mark. It will be interesting to see what happens to their value as the 7 and 8 year mark hit and they may be in need of a new battery that is still very expensive.
    Cant imagine anyone buying a used EV with a 7 year old battery but as they say .. there is one born every minute.

  36. Stephen Says:

    Lets be honest-the i3/500EV were poor EVs from the start. Great tech in the i3 but the design was a flop. The 500ev is non-starter (even in Europe). The bolt is a good car but more usefully sold outside the US where smaller cars rule. Are Tesla not selling because they are (gasp!) good EVs. Same for the new Leaf and Ionic. Apart from the ionic and model3 what new (good) EVs have launched? Detroit (zero) and same for Japan and Europe. We’ll have to hope the VW EV & Honda/Toyota will launch something competitive.