AD #2430 – Kia K900’s Staggering Repair Costs, Suzuki Abandons China, Ford Teases Electric Crossover

September 7th, 2018 at 11:46am

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Runtime: 7:28

0:28 Elon Musk Generates More Controversy
1:11 Ford Teases Electric Crossover
2:01 Suzuki Abandons China
3:15 Mercedes Updates Flagship Commercial Truck
4:13 NASCAR In Denial Over Troubles
5:26 Kia K900’s Staggering Repair Costs

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47 Comments to “AD #2430 – Kia K900’s Staggering Repair Costs, Suzuki Abandons China, Ford Teases Electric Crossover”

  1. Lambo2015 Says:

    Elon illegally manipulated Tesla’s stock price to hurt short sellers. Well that may be true, but at least he’s trying to save the planet.

    So I guess as long as you have overall good intentions breaking the law is forgivable? Humm

  2. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Mercedes Benz also starting producing the Sprinter van, in house, beginning earlier this week. Previously M/B was re-assembling parts sent from Germany to avoid the 25% surtax but is now producing these ‘workhorses’ in their South Carolina plant. Amazon had previously allotted to buy 5,000 of these vehicles but has upped its order to 20,000. (as gleaned from the Charleston Post and Courier earlier this week)

  3. Bishop Says:

    Was it just an oversight that you did not note that Toyota announced a recall of over a million Prius’ – also for a wiring problem that could result in fires?

  4. GM Veteran Says:

    For the life of me, I can’t understand why major auto manufacturers are involved in Nascar anymore. For all the same reasons Oldsmobile stopped its involvement with NHRA, even though it had just won the Manufacturers Cup for the 13th time, GM and Ford should walk away from Nascar. It is so expensive and so irrelevant to their products that their sponsorship dollars could be better spent elsewhere. (Are you listening Mr. Hackett?)

  5. Frederick Schmidt Says:

    One day we will hear that Musk has taken his own life. He will join the list of rich/celebs/disturbed people that was not helped to overcome his problems. It will be a shame because he has produced new technologies that are leading the world in results. Just his rocket technology by itself has changed space exploration. Here is hoping he comes to his senses. NASCAR is a dying entity unless it makes massive changes in the cars/rules/schedules and looks back at the 1960′s to 1980′s and bring back more “stock” to the races. Let the teams innovate and modify to keep excitement from week to week. Its just plain dull!!

  6. XA351GT Says:

    NASCAR,
    They have many problems . Having been a fan since I was a old enough to know what racing is ( late 60s) . I’ve been a fan of NASCAR through all of it’s incarnations since before the modern era began in 1972. I watched it as a regional sport on Wide World of Sports , to it’s flag to flag coverage of the 1979 Daytona 500, Up through it’s incredible growth period. Now it’s on the down turn. Many wonder why, Here are some of my thoughts on the cause. Catering to new fans at the expense of those that supported it before it was fashionable. The seemingly never ending changes to rules to questionably favor a driver or brand. The introduction of Toyota really upset a lot of people ( I don’t share that thought) Promoting models with little or no performance background in the real world ( Example, name a high performance version of the Camry) With Chevy and Ford shifting to the Camaro and Mustang are a step in the right direction and Toyota sticking their toe in the water with the upcoming Supra (even though the race version is remotely close to the street car)Will at least give the race cars some street cred.

    I think NASCAR has a much bigger issue to address and the Truex team is the example. The owner Barney Visser is in his late 60s had a major health crisis last year. He can not attract a sponsor that can pay all the bills the team has to remain competitive at this level. He is no longer either able or willing to dig into his own pockets anymore. Also having won a championship really achieved everything he could as a car owner. the top26 cars are owned by 11 team owners . Chip Ganassi at 60 years old is one of the youngest. Many are in their 70s and 80s What happens when they are no longer around and their families don’t want to deal with the hassle of chasing down millions of dollars ins sponsorship.

    NASCAR itself is in trouble as Cup series sponsor Monster is done after 2019 . How many companies can put up that kind of money if teams are struggling to get what they need.

    As more and more people lose interest in cars and racing it will get worse. Look at all major motorsports today they are all down in team and cars. F! used to be 26 cars now barely 20. Indy car sometimes under 20 with 4 owners controlling over 2/3 the field. NHRA can’t fill a 16 car bracket. On and on it goes . NASCAR always had a minimum of 43 cars now they barely get 40 . 10 years ago 50-60 cars attempted to qualify.

  7. Brett Cammack Says:

    Passenger car sales plummet and NASCAR Cup attendance wanes? I suspect there is some correlation.

    I also suspect that the mass transfer of wealth to the top of the economic food chain over the past decade or so has left the average NASCAR fan with far too little discretionary income to devote a weekend to the NASCAR travelling circus.

  8. XA351GT Says:

    The K900′s repair costs are only going to cause any front end crash to total the car. No insurance company is going to pay that much to repair these cars and who would want it after it was repaired. The car would be worthless with services like Carfax reporting a major repair cost like that. You’d be better off with them totaling it or you’d be stuck with a car that would be virtually worthless as a trade or outright sale.

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I haven’t paid much attention to NASCAR for years, but they lost me completely with their strange system to determine a “champion.” F1 has their problems, but to me, they determine the champions the right way. Just add up the points, and only give points for about the top half of the field.

    I understand NASCAR not wanting to use real cars. They were killing too many drivers when they did.

  10. Buzzerd Says:

    I don’t understand the attraction to ASSCAR either.
    Elon? kind of nice to see actually. He’s just having fun and being a somewhat regular person. We all have faults and skills, I guess he isn’t interested being a bland whitewashed corporate head.

  11. XA351GT Says:

    Brett , I attend the race in Dover 2 times a year. I get my tickets “discounted” at $50 a piece. The Regular price for them is $90. If tracks can sell them for $50 and still make money then to gouge fans at $90 is really crappy. People are not dumb at some point you have to ask yourself is 2-3 hours of entertainment worth the price. To add insult to that injury they want to continually shorten the races and give you even less for your dollar. By the time my race day is done altogether for my wife and I to go it’s about a $200+ day with race tickets, parking, tolls, gas, food, souvenirs . I still enjoy going to track and seeing it live ,but at some point they’ll price me out just like rock concerts did.

  12. Buzzerd Says:

    @XA351… but are they making money at $50? Concerts are usually a lot more than that as well as major league sports…

  13. Lambo2015 Says:

    If NASCAR wants to survive they should reduce the super speedways to smaller tracks that would force lower speeds which would allow for Factory stock cars to be used with cages again. Then remove the restrictions. Let innovation run rampant. Allow the teams to put as much HP on the track as they can muster. This forces the drivers to actually drive and not just hold the peddle to floor turn left. That kind of racing I would watch. Might inspire more interest in Mustangs and Camaros too,

  14. Larry D. Says:

    While I am crazy about cars of all shapes and purposes, I was never able to watch any of these car races even on TV, let alone play an arm and a leg to attend them. Not just Nascar, but also F1 races. I just do not have the patience to see these things go around and around 500 times.

  15. Kate Mcleod Says:

    “Elon illegally manipulated Tesla’s stock price to hurt short sellers. Well that may be true, but at least he’s trying to save the planet.”

    Are you being ironic here? Or do you actually give this guy a pass because he has put a few thousand electric cars on the road. I really question whether this man gets up every morning and vows to save the planet. Seriously? I really want to know if you’re being ironic.

  16. Bob White Says:

    Sean,
    You mention that you believe that Suzuki will not be the only automaker to abandon the Chinese market. Who else is a contender? Is Ford part of that list?
    Thanks,
    Bob

  17. Lambo2015 Says:

    $35,000 repair on a Kia? Thats funny. I wouldnt spend 35k to buy a new one let alone fix one.

  18. FSTFWRD Says:

    @6 XA351GT +++ Well said.

  19. Larry D. Says:

    17 I did not watch that segment, I usually just read the transcript and don’t bother with the videos if they are not in it. $35k is ridiculous even for a Rolls Royce, let alone a mangy Kia !!!!

    Perhaps this is a Kia Publicity Stunt to show consumers that its cars are not as crappy as they believe?

  20. John McElroy Says:

    #1. Don’t you recognize sarcasm when you hear it?

  21. MJB Says:

    #8, 17, 18 All true. But don’t think for a second that the same isn’t true for any vehicle with that much tech crammed into it’s front (or rear) end. The Kia K900 was just ONE example.

    John, I’d be very interested to know just how many others (and which others) would have similar repair bills for similar front or rear corner collisions.

  22. Len Simpson Says:

    # 1—-https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/458399-rules-are-mostly-made-to-be-broken-and-are-too

  23. George Ricci Says:

    For NASCAR the immediate problem is coming up with a formula where team owners can make a profit and encourage new team owners to enter the sport. So NASCAR has to increase the money that owner’s receive or reduce the cost of running a team. In the truck series they have introduced a Spec motor reduce cost. In all series they have reduced the number of pit crew going over the wall to 5 to also reduce cost.

    My idea would reduce cost much more. In a pit stop there are actual as many as 14 people involved in the pit stop if you include the people who do not go over the wall. Two people to catch tires coming back from the right side of the car, 2 people handing off tires to the tire carriers, 2 people pulling back on the air hoses, 1 person to give the driver water and pull a windshield tear off, and 2 people helping the fueler( one person catches the empty gas can and the other is handing off the second gas can. If NASCAR was to go the sports car rules for pit stops there would only be 3 people involved. Two to carry tires, change them, windshield tear off, and water for the drive and 1 to refuel. This would require a change from multiple fuel cans to a fuel tank behind the wall and fuel hose and the use of center lock wheels. Wow NASCAR moving into the 21st century!

  24. XA351GT Says:

    George you are on the right track , but it isn’t the pit crew I would only limit. Limit the amount of people a organization has as a total. Hendrick employs over 100 people maybe even more than that. Small teams may have 25 total including pit crews . Also limiting the number of chassis per car would be a decent way to limit costs. Some bigger teams ,(Hendrick, Gibbs, SHR, Penske ) have 10-20 cars per team .

  25. XA351GT Says:

    Okay I grossly underestimated the number of employees that Hendrick has for day to day duties with the race team. Wiki says it’s over 500!!!!.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23 Aren’t a lot of those pit people volunteers?

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7. Should they race Tahoes, Expeditions, and Sequoias? There would be some impressive multiple rollovers.

  28. R. Bruce Melton, Says:

    First, I agree with Lambo2015 about going back to real modified factory cars instead of a special car for all 3 manufacturers with decals to differentiate each one. In addition, the engines do not correspond to ANY FACTORY manufactured engine you can purchase in a production car. When was the last time a Toyota salesman demonstrated a Camry with a V8?

    So far, the sports cars have essentially remained production cars modified for racing (with the exception of cars such as the DP (Daytona Prototypes) and the LMP cars for Le Mans, etc.

    As for eliminating the super speedways (Daytona & Talladega, as well as the 2.5 mile track for the Indy 500), it is an experience unlike any of the other tracks – especially back in the 70′s and 80′s! I believe in the 2006 Daytona 500, one of the Track announcers made a statement to the effect that this was the first race where the pace car – a 2006 Corvette Z06 – was faster than the race cars!! Look at Indy cars – all the same chassis with either a Chevy or Honda 4-banger in the back (but they are really fast!!).

    This is a sad commentary about what has happened to NASCAR, in my opinion. I loved the crew chiefs old rule about cheating – you aren’t cheating unless you get caught!

  29. Bob Wilson Says:

    At 2.5 hours, the “Joe Rogan Experience #1169 – Elon Musk” YouTube resembled two guys in a bar talking trash. Joe’s ignorance of engineering was amusing when Elon gently replied abut the practicalities. The whisky sounds interesting although I am more of a tequila fan. One brief puff on the blunt was novel but boring. But it served a good purpose.

    I had an outstanding buy offer that had hovered just under the previous few days TSLA stock. But the opening price Friday morning saved another $15 per share.

    As long as Tesla reports accurate metrics, the claim of stock manipulation is a long shot. The irony is this makes TSLA stock even more affordable. I am expecting Elon to buy more stock because it is a better value … backdoor going private.

  30. Ctech Says:

    @ #26 Kit the top teams recruit former college atletes for their pit crews. Pit crew members are stronger, faster and much better trained than in the past. I saw a segment on Hendricks and Gibbs pit crews and they have physical trainers for the crews. The Xfinity (is it Busch now?) teams are considered the minor leagues for pit crews to be promoted from. This is part of the NASCAR expense problem / equation.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28 The Indycar engines have turbocharged V6′s since about 2012. Before that, they were naturally aspirated V8′s.

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30 Thanks, Ctech.

    NASCAR needs to lower costs, but it seems that the bigger, long term problem, is that interest is way, way down. It didn’t help that fan darling, Dale Jr. called it quits. If race attendance and TV ratings were good, the sponsorship money would be there.

    Rear drive, V8 powered, manual transmission race cars have carried the names of front drive, I4 and V6, automatic only sedans for yearw, and for a while, the fans remained. Maybe the NASCAR fans are “aging out,” and there is nothing NASCAR can really do to recover.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Interestingly, during the “glory days” of the Indy 500, from the late 40′s to early ’60′s, with drivers named Foyt, Ward, Vukovich, Rathmann, Parnelli Jones, and others we “oldsters” would remember, there was only one competitive engine, a 4 cylinder Offy. There were multiple chassis builders, but the drivers, to a large extent, made it what it was.

  34. R. Bruce Melton, Says:

    Kit-31: Thanks for the correction on Indy power plants!

  35. Ctech Says:

    It’s quite the surprise the cost of repairs for these high tech safety systems. Car and Driver reported to replace the cracked windshield on the 2018 Honda Accord cost $1,011, plus $120 to recalibrate the front camera and sensors. It will be interesting to see what happens when the 2nd and 3rd owners get these bills.

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    35 I suspect, when today’s cars get old, a lot of cracked windshields won’t get replaced, and the high tech safety systems will quit working, and stay inoperative.

  37. XA351GT Says:

    Maybe NASCAR’s biggest problem is people are not in love with cars like they used to be. Today they are merely an appliance for going A to B . Hence the interest in ride sharing , autonomous vehicles and the like. People don’t enjoy ownership anymore and I noticed that since the cars have gotten so complicated that changing oil has now become a major project to do at home in the driveway. There is very little the old shade tree mechanic can or should try to tackle on their own .

  38. Kit Gerhart Says:

    How is NASCAR truck racing doing? A lot of Americans seem to be in love with pickup trucks.

  39. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Would it be possible to make real pickups safe enough to race? That could be interesting, racing pushrod V8s against turbo V6s against ohc V8s.

  40. Larry D. Says:

    36 that’s true, old cars with no collision do not even repair hit and run damages and let them rust.

    However, very few drivers pay for windshield replacement out of their pocket. I had a big hit on the windshield of my 320 Bluetec I use overseas last June, and while my insurance at $110 for the entire 3 months there was too low to cover collision repairs, as they told me, it did cover free windshield replacement, and very conveniently, they drove to my summer place (the car was inside, it is not a closed garage but a covered ground floor not surrounded by walls, just the pillars, which has spaces for several autos, and the gate is locked), I was upstairs and they did the replacement in an hour.

    Even 6 figure luxury cars and even in the US do not have expensive windshields (if they are sedans, they are not that big either, but a Lambo or a Ferrari is a different story, and I don’t know how much their ws cost)

  41. Larry D. Says:

    27 the colleague of mine who took his US Landcruiser 97 (6 cyl) overseas in 2010, had a rollover while driving faster than he should in the winter, with pregnant wife inside. I remember the damage was $13k and the parts did not arrive for a whole month, but the wife did not miscarry,and they were not seriously injured.

  42. Larry D. Says:

    17 and others. I have three charts by NADA, the official US Auto Dealers Association, with very interesting figures for a period of ten years (around 2002-2012), one for each of their main activities, new cars, used cars, and service.

    The bar charts show average net profit or loss in $ per dealership per year for each of the ten years, and although there are large fluctuations in new car profits or losses, on average, over 10 years,

    1. They barely make a dime from selling new cars,

    2. They do better selling used cars, and

    3. They really kill in service, huge profits. That is why even people who splurged $160k for a his and hers M3 Convertible (as a colleague of mine did 10 years ago or so), they still understand that you really need to find a good independent mechanic for the service and repairs and NOT do them at the dealer.

    (trouble is, such mechanics can be very hard to find in a small town)

  43. Kit Gerhart Says:

    40 I think all insurance in Florida includes windshield replacement, even if you have no collision or comprehensive coverage.

    42 I suspect independent mechanics who know much about late model M3′s would be hard to find, but maybe a lot of dealership mechanics wouldn’t know much about them either.

  44. David Sprowl Says:

    I don’t mind the NASCAR circus. But from a management sponsor stand point, it needs an over haul. Team owners have commented for years that the $$$ flow needs revamped. Baseball, Football, & basketball all have similar models. It could work for NASCAR as well. I share the sentiments of others here, they need to be racing what the public is buying – turbo 4 SUV’s and not the passenger cars that they do today.

  45. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I found the North American Touring Car Championship interesting, using real cars, mostly Honda Accord and Dodge Stratus. While similar series do well in other parts of the world, it lasted only two years in America.

  46. Brett Cammack Says:

    They didn’t start killing drivers because they used “real cars”, but because they started hiring engineers who were horrified by the loose, flexi nature of the front clips on the cars. It killed their ability to run repeatable setups across the team cars because no two were alike.

    When the engineers got involved with the teams and built a bunch more rigidity into the front clip. That’s when lethal levels of energy started being transferred to the cockpit instead of being dissipated in the engine compartment.

    They killed Adam Petty and Kenny Irwin with little more than a shrug and thoughts and prayers. They didn’t start caring until they killed their superstar.

  47. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It seems that they mostly quit killing drivers when they quit using “real cars.” Yeah, maybe I’m missing something.

    As far as the superstar, I heard repeatedly that his harness was attached too far forward, so he moved forward before contacting the belts, rather than being held securely in place by the harness.