AD #2442 – Continental Increasing EV Range in Winter, Tesla Now Building Car Carriers, PPG Develops Low-Cure Paint

September 25th, 2018 at 11:33am

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Runtime: 8:33

0:34 Flooding Halts Honda Production in Mexico
1:06 Continental Increasing EV Range in Winter
1:44 Tesla’s Unique Approach to Increasing Deliveries
2:40 PPG Develops Low-Cure Paint Process
3:42 Hyundai Working on Spark/Compression Ignition Engine
4:18 Mercedes to Export GLC to U.S. from India
5:25 Why GM Axed the Saturn Sky & Pontiac Solstice

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35 Comments to “AD #2442 – Continental Increasing EV Range in Winter, Tesla Now Building Car Carriers, PPG Develops Low-Cure Paint”

  1. Jonathan Says:

    Great show. Great fan of the pretty solstice gxp coupe. Too bad only four manual gxp coupes wer built? In black..

    Btw…THE CHINESE STARTED THE TRADE WAR WITH THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA A DECADE AGO..OUR PREVIOUS POLITICANS JUST IGNORED IT…TRUMP HAS PROMISED TO CREATE A FAIR TRADE WITH CHINA. CONSIDER NOT CALLIT TRUMPS TRADE WAR…

    ITS THE CHINESE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF US AT A 400 BILLION TRADE IMBALANCE THAT NEEDS TO END.

  2. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Mercedes needs to make sure they get good quality from the plant in India. If I were paying near $50K for a small CUV with a three pointed star, I’d want it to come from Germany. Maybe most buyers wouldn’t care about that, but they would want it to be well assembled.

  3. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The U.S. started a trade war involving vehicles about 50 year ago, with the “chicken tax.” Trump has greatly intensified the trade war.

  4. Steve W Says:

    #3~~The chicken tax is a 25% tariff on potato starch, dextrin, brandy, and light trucks imposed in 1963 by the United States under President Lyndon B. Johnson in response to tariffs placed by France and West Germany on importation of U.S. chicken. It was not started by the U.S.

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The part involving vehicles was started by the U.S. Yes, the “chicken” part was France and Germany.

  6. Larry D. Says:

    2 absolutely agree. And if some people are worried buying a vehicle made in China, they should worry ten times as much if it is made in India, not only because of what India has shown us in the past (those god-awful Mahindras and Tata Nanos on Fire) but also because of the very troubling dishonesty of Mahindra itself, which left US dealers high and dry last time, and is pulling another scam right now. And don’t forget the fired Ford VPs, above all liar Nair with his 47-47-47 MPG nobody got ( he was fired for harassment tho). India is not ready for prime time and will not be for decades.

  7. Larry D. Says:

    a. Why does the US dept of Energy fund failed Huyndai’s research? Shouldn’t South Korea’s Dept of Energy fund them?

    b. Bloviating Lutz and his sorry attempt at a joke (wooden trucks by Tesla) keeps up the excuses why the Solstice and the Sky failed. They failed because they were inferior toys. Their segment is a tiny one anyway, so who cares, and in that segment of affordable cabrios you have the tiny Miata (I would never drive this thing on a long trip, cannot even stretch, and I am only 6 1″. ) that dominates the segment, and with good reason. So, Bob Lutz, spare me the “dog ate my homework” and “Gramma Died”. We heard those excuses before.

  8. Larry D. Says:

    I also would want to see Peter de Lorenzo come back as a guest. By some accident, I followed his webpage almost from the very start (Autoextremist.com). His family were Detroit 3 Insiders (GM I believe) but he was highly critical of the domestics back then. I bet that has resulted in a loss of many invitations in the industry.

  9. Larry D. Says:

    5 while there are tiny islands of protectionism, no other nation in the world in the last 80 years at least, has been more encouraging of Free Trade, ignoring blatant violations by poorer nations, esp right after WW II, when the US wanted to strengthen the Free World economically so that the economic illiteracy of communism and all its other evils would not spread even further.

    The USA is 100% correct in its grievances with CHina, and not just because of their protectionism, but for their blatant stealing of intellectual property. They have to be told this officially and in no uncertain terms, that THEY HAVE TO STOP Doing that! It is outrageous, every time I have been in China and taught a course and assigned a textbook, they just bought ONE copy, and made xeroxes (back in 06) for 96 students, and in 2016, they just scanned the text, without paying the creator of all this important knowledge, the author, a damn dime!!!

    THANK GOD for Trump not just complaining about it (which all previous Presidents did and achieved NOTHING), but putting his $ where his mouth is.

    And China cannot win this war. The US imports a whole lot from them and they import next to nothing from us. The tariff war will hurt them 10 times as much as it hurts the USA, and Trump, not being another corrupt lawyer politician, understands it. He did not become a multi-billionaire by being stupid, but many politicians I see on TV sure look that they were unfit for any real job!

  10. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Larry D – you may have seen these, but Peter DeLorenzo has been a guest of our shows somewhat recently. AAH #415: http://www.autoline.tv/journal/?p=54678 and ATW #2132: http://www.autoline.tv/show/2132. Peter is always welcome and I’m sure he’ll be back again.

  11. Lambo2015 Says:

    #7 The solstice and Sky had the same problem inherent with GM building any other two-seater than the Corvette. The market is very small and in direct competition with the Vette. Not that the Solstice and Sky had great performance but years before the Pontiac Fiero was canceled after only 4 years. It was significantly cheaper than the Corvette and with the proposed engine for 89 which was planned to be a turbo-charged Iron duke which turned better 0-60 times than the Corvette. With one more year that car would have been a great vehicle. GM killed it to save sales on the Vette.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I heard that a trade war exemption was made for iPhones. As with everything manufactured, parts come from all over the world, so maybe someone decided that it “averages out,” though they are assembled in China. Also, Trump wouldn’t want to be blamed for iPhones getting even more expensive.

  13. John Faulkner Says:

    Like all good story tellers, Bob Lutz molds the tale to the audience. If this means leaving out a few critical details, so be it. The Sky and Solstice may have had the issues he mentioned, but he completely glossed over that these cars were nothing special, especially for an enthusiast they were not at all that fun to drive. Sure, with the turbo it had some get-up-and-go, but handling was so-so and you felt all of its 3,000 lbs. All GM had to do was buy a couple Miatas, strip them down, measure and weigh everything, then design their own version. If they did do this, they were incompetent, if they didn’t do it, they were incompetent. I took each version on a closed track and street drive, and they were just fine for tooling around and looking cool. Otherwise, their demise was easily predicted. Too bad as GM really had an opportunity to do something interesting.

  14. Lambo2015 Says:

    #9 Larry you haven’t partaken in the cool-aid? Some people are fine with a trade deficit and continuing to give away technology that millions and billions of dollars are spent on to achieve. Not only has China had a 25% tariff on US cars for decades but they also limited the number of cars regardless of market demand.
    So yep upsetting the apple cart may cause some disruption in commodities and prices but we did not get into this position overnight. As you very well pointed out for years this deficit has just been ignored.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11 I think the Fiero was also supposed to get power steering, if it had lasted another year. A few years ago, I saw a really interesting Fiero at a car show. It had a Northstar engine, very neatly installed. I didn’t talk to the owner, but he must have had to cut some firewall away to fit that engine. The “widest” OEM engine used was the 60 degree pushrod V6.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 …but why does Trump want a trade war with Canada?

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13 Solstice and Sky looked good, but they struck me as “underdeveloped,” both the driving dynamics you mention, but also the top mechanism, and general interior design. The only one I drove was an early one with the 5-speed manual, and the gear spacing seemed too wide, and just didn’t seem “right.”

  18. Frederick Schmidt Says:

    Its great that PPG has a lower power consumption paint curing process. Now if they could improve the durability of todays paint coatings used on cars. It seem that chipping on todays paints is worse than cars from the 60′s and 70′s. Love to see ratings on the auto manufactures paint quality. We only have to look back to all the bad paint work from past years to see the results of “new and improved” paints and application techniques. How many Fords,Honda’s ect. did we see with peeling and fading paint and many of those owners were stiffed by the manufacturers to get them repainted.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 From my experience, today’s paint is much better than in the 60′s or 70′s. It was once common for silver and light blue paint to fall off of cars after about three years. It was common for metallic red paint to get really dull after very few years. I don’t see that now.

  20. Larry D. Says:

    10 Sean, I was not implying Peter is not welcome in any of your programs, I was thinking obviously of big 3 Execs and their PR divisions not being happy with his earlier strong criticism of their moves, and not treating him as nicely as they do the mainstream automotive press in their events.

    Recently I find agreeing with Peter less than I used to, BTW.

  21. Larry D. Says:

    11 The Pontiac Fiero was a terrible car. Most 80s cars were too, but it stood out.

    13 Good points

    14 I don’t mind a trade deficit as long as it is a result of free and fair trade, and as long as our economy is vast enough to be able to pay it. Many many nations have a ton of tariffs. as I wrote earlier, the US has been the champion of Free trade world wide for decades, because trade is much better than no trade or less trade, but in the process it ignored blatant violations by the rest of the world.

    But I repeat, Intellectual property theft is at least as important as any other trade issue, whether practiced by China or any other nation out there. And this part hurts the US much more than other nations, because we are at the forefront of research and technology.

  22. Larry D. Says:

    16 I believe Trump is econ literate enough (MBA Wharton) to know better, I doubt he really wants a trade war with anybody, and he much prefers negotiations (dealmaking was his career’s strong point) to improve trade agreements for the US.

    He also has a voting base who were really hurt by NAFTA and other “freer trade” agreements so this is a constraint. And unlike politicians, he not only says what is on his mind all the time, he also kept all his campaign promises, whether they were economically proper or not!

    In the specific case of Canada, the Canadians do protect and subsidize their lumber industry, causing a lot of harm in the US timber industry. There is no reason for Canada to do this, it is not some developing nation protecting its infant industry.

    Sorry for all this, we got carried way today into political discussions.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Doesn’t Trump hold some kind of record for failed casinos? Sorry, I couldn’t help myself.

  24. Frederick Schmidt Says:

    19 I don’t know where you live but in the Northern states where salt/brine/cinders and sand is used chipping and paint damage is a major concern. Once the coating is damaged and not detected and touched up, then the real paint degradation begins. The southern states have extreme sun exposure and bug damaged to deal with and that to can be tough on paint. I never saw cars from the 60′s and 70′s have the wide spread paint peeling we have seen in cars from the 90′s as an example. I have seen many newer cars with paint conditions that are poor for the year of the vehicle. For someone like myself who keeps a vehicle for more than 10 years, paint quality is important. I do wish there would be a rating system on paint quality.

  25. Wim van Acker Says:

    @ 1, 14, 21 on Trade. As a free trader fewer tariffs are better as far as I am concerned. With al the talk about punishing China for intellectual property theft: do you realize that most exports from China are sold on FOB Port of Origin terms? That means that freight and all import duties are paid by the U.S. buyer. How does that punish Chinese producers for anything they may have done? It only means that U.S. buyers will be able to buy less, and the Chinese will have to sell more elsewhere. Which is easy to do with all economies except for the Russian, Brazilian and Argentinean economies being strong. So in reality no or hardly any harm to the Chinese. Price increases in the U.S., though.

    A trade deficit is not necessarily the result of unfair trade. It is usually the result of a lack of competitiveness. In our case caused by labor unions and education. The American High School system favors delivering “generalists” and reduces the number of students who are fit in skilled trades by the time they are 18 years old (like in other countries). And has poor results in STEM education for those who should be prepared for academic studies: we score in the high 40′s in global comparisons. And the American college system which cranks out English, Communications, and Political Science majors in far larger numbers than Engineers. 6% Of U.S. students are engineering students; 30% in Germany and most of Western Europe, 60-70% in India and China. If we want to produce here, we have to ensure we have the workforce for it. That is a long term investment, and we are currently negatively affected by education policies of the past decades.

    What we are doing now is ignoring our weaknesses and blaming the rules. That will get us nowhere IMHO.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 I lived the first 56 years of my life in central Indiana, where they dump megatons of salt on the roads. I now spend about 2/3 of the year about halfway down in Florida, and 1/3 in Indiana.

    I always made it a point to look for any stone chips, and touch them up before rust could spread from a small ding.

    Not only did certain colors of paint fall off of 70′s cars, but the paint faded and dulled much worse than today’s paint. Maybe “old” paint was better in regard to rock dings, but that hasn’t been my experience.

    Maybe part of why today’s paint doesn’t seem as good to you, is that cars last much longer, so the paint has more years on it. If driven year round in Indiana, with the road salt, 60′s and 70′s cars were rust buckets in 10 years. Today’s cars generally go twice as long before the rust is bad.

    You mention 90′s cars, and there were a number of white 90′s cars that had paint fall off. It was fairly common, on multiple brands of cars.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    24, continued

    In Florida, older cars that have been parked outside all the time have dull paint, opaque headlight lenses, cracked dash pads, and faded interiors. Even 15 year old cars that are garaged, except when driven, often look like new. Cars kept near the beach sometimes become rusty from sea spray, but it’s not nearly as bad as the road salt in Indiana, Michigan, etc.

  28. rick Says:

    why would hyundai or mazda waste time developing more efficient internal combustion engines when they already exist, nautilis hcci true sparkless compression ignition, or achates power?

  29. Lambo2015 Says:

    No those will fit without firewall modification. I also have one.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28 Thanks for info. Maybe they had plans for things that never made it to production.

  31. Frederick Schmidt Says:

    27 don’t get me started on the opaque headlight lenses they should be glass… but you know they should come standard on a lot of new cars with those blinding LED headlights.

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30 The best headlights I ever had were 7 inch round Hella H4′s, that I used on a 1974 Plymouth Duster.

  33. Lambo2015 Says:

    21 The Fiero was a horrible car at first as GM tried to do it on the cheap borrowing suspension components from existing programs like the citation. However by 1988 the car was pretty good for the period. At the time I worked on the program and testing for the turbo 4 was in development as well as a few turbo 2.8L V6 versions. The V6′s were crazy fast and fun to drive but I think more of someone wanting to just do it, knowing it would never see production. Had they released it with a turbo V6 it would have surpassed the Buick grand national and Corvette for quickness. Just in the middle of the program it was killed and I wanted that development bad. I believe it was crushed.

  34. XA351GT Says:

    Lambo the Solstice GXP and the Saturn redline were damn quick . My parents still have a 08 GXP and it will plant you in the seat when you nail it. I was extremely impressed with the performance and handling. I can’t speak for the standard models as I have not driven one but the top line models delivered in spades.

  35. Lex Says:

    I was examining the spy photos of the New Honda Passport and believe it will have the underpinnings of the refreshed Honda Pilot but six inches shorter as per all the available information. The front clip will be almost identical to that of the Honda Ridgeline and the back end will just be a closed cabin similar to the Pilot including taillights.

    If this is what Honda is going to unveil at the 2018 LA Auto Show it should be a real winner. The only thing I would suggest to the Honda Design Team is do not carry over those ridiculous lower square turning indicators next to the beautiful circular fog lights. Integrate the turning signals into the headlight assembly for simplicity and streamlining the look of the front bumper.