AD #2462 – Grand Cherokee Replacement Date, Most and Least Efficient EV Models, Nissan Shows Off New Maxima

October 23rd, 2018 at 11:34am

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Runtime: 6:32

0:28 Ford Celebrates the Return of The Ranger
0:44 Ford Criticizes Trump’s Tariffs
1:15 Cherokee And Grand Cherokee Replacement Dates
1:40 Nissan Shows Off New Maxima
2:27 Dyson Picks Singapore For EV Production
3:06 Most and Least Efficient EV Models
4:37 Silverado’s New Braking Technology
5:23 Volkswagen XL1 Up for Auction

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36 Comments to “AD #2462 – Grand Cherokee Replacement Date, Most and Least Efficient EV Models, Nissan Shows Off New Maxima”

  1. BobD Says:

    On steel tariffs, perhaps the other automakers are just smarter than to complain in public, fearing a beat down tweet from Trump, especially since pickup buyers are right-leaning (as we learned in a previous show).

  2. BobD Says:

    John, How is Singapore “land-locked”? It’s an island? Land-locked counties do not have ports!

  3. JWH Says:

    John – Thanks for the info on EV efficiency although is there a way for someone who is Instagram challenged by choice to access the list? It would be great if there was a link to the list on autoline TV website.

    In addition, I’m sure some of Tesla worshippers will argue with your data that has Hyundai Ioniq showing higher efficiency than their perfect Tesla.

  4. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Hey ford,want some cheese with your whine? Suck it up and stop blaming the tariffs for your lack of management skills.

  5. Larry D. Says:

    2 Good catch!

    3 All EVs are very efficient. From the Ioniq to the twice as big and heavy and three times as fast Tesla X. I saw another one today, a white one. It is really not an SUV or a crossover, its belly is too close to the ground. It is really a Minivan with gullwing doors and a sloping rear roof line. It does not look bad, and if Tesla has succeeded in making soccer moms cough up $100,000 for a minivan in disguise, they must do something right, or have a very fanatical following.

    3 We should not just get the KWHs to do 100 miles, but also, at some average price per KW, how many gallons of gas would that be equal to, and, more importantly, what is the equivalent MPG. (or, better, MP$). If you do that, EVs are heads and shoulders above the tiniest gas hatch.

  6. Larry D. Says:

    The Ranger should add a touch of sanity, maybe all the secretaries who never needed a big heavy F 150 will get a Ranger and can still pretend they are macho cowgirls. It will be interesting to see if the Ranger cannibalizes F 150 sales OR it gets desperately needed new customers at Failing Ford.

  7. John McElroy Says:

    Bob D,

    Yer right. What I meant is that Singapore has very limited land space.


    I will look at the ranger to replace my F150 if the interior leg room is adequate. Right now my F150 seats 5 very comfortably with leg room to spare. I generally only travel with 4 people so if I can get decent leg room for 4 people in a Ranger, then it is on the list. If the Ranger has the leg room of a Corolla, then there is no point considering it.

  9. Lambo2015 Says:

    #6 No doubt it will cannibalize some from 150 sales. Ford didnt create a big enough gap in size.

  10. Lambo2015 Says:

    Ford, What a Joke! The tariffs are going to cost the company 1 billion is profits? So we wont see any price increase on their vehicles cause the company is going to absorb that increase. NOT!
    Maybe they are just preparing the stockholders for a pending loss due to their poor management decisions. Thats why no other car manufacturers have been speaking out.

  11. Lambo2015 Says:

    John: Has Dyson partnered with an existing car manufacturers? Do they assume because they manufacture vacuums that it will be an easy transition into assembling cars? Guess time will tell if they sweep the competition or just suck.

  12. Larry D. Says:

    10 Claiming a loss of $1 billion JUST from the difference in the price of steel, a dirt-cheap item anyway, and a small fraction of the price of a car, is LAUGHABLE to the extreme and should be DEBUNKED. Even a third grader can do this math.

    Clueless Hatchet and Bill Ford… dumb and dumber.

  13. Larry D. Says:

    The Nissan Maxima will sell about 50,000 units per year in the US, distributed as follows:

    Hertz, 10,000
    Avis, 8,000
    Enterprise, 7,000
    Alamo, 9,000
    Budget, 6,000
    Private buyers, whatever is left (about 10,000)

    PS What is the difference between a Maxima and an Altima?

  14. GM Veteran Says:

    John, so the new Silverado does not have a vacuum-less brake booster, the vacuum is simply not provided by the engine any more. It is provided by the electronic module provided by ZF. Is that correct?

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13 By the numbers, the main difference is about 10K dollars. They are within an inch of the same length, and have the same amount of cabin space. For 2019, though, I think Altima dropped the V6.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’d expect the Ranger to cannibalize sales from F150, more than from Colorado/Canyon or Tacoma. Ford truck buyers tend to be brand loyal, and most wouldn’t have considered a Chevy or Toyota anyway.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7 I was wondering what you meant, but now I know. Singapore is rather land challenged, with less than half the area of Jacksonville, FL.

  18. Larry D. Says:

    15 wow, there is much less product differentiation than I thought. At least if they made the Max RWD vs FWD for the Altima.. and a $10k diff! Reminds me of the $10k diff between the old 1990s Camry and the ES250 or ES300.

  19. Larry D. Says:

    Singapore was the site of the most embarassing defeat of the brits, perhaps ever. They had a very strong force in Singapore, and big guns, but they were only pointed out to the sea, while the Japanese force, much smaller than the Brit, attacked them from the land side (malaysia). there were almost 100,000 Brit POWs taken. (from memory).

    Today Singapore is a model state, but the humidity must be unbearable.

  20. Lambo2015 Says:

    #18 Having driven both recently (which were both rentals) there is a definite difference in driving dynamics between the Maxima and Altima. The Max is certainly more refined and feels heavier and had a lot more standard equipment. Not sure its a difference worth 10K but its certainly more than just overall size.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 Comparably equipped, the price difference would be less than $10K, but the cars are essentially the same size, same wheelbase, etc. I suppose the Maxima has a nicer interior, but I haven’t really looked.

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18, 20, 21 I found that the V6 is dropped for the 2019 Altima, and replaced by the ungodly complex, but underwhelming in the QX50 variable compression turbo four. In due time, we’ll learn if that complexity buys anything in a lighter vehicle.

  23. Bob Wilson Says:

    The link is to the Tesla earning, webcast announcement on Wednesday, Oct 24, 3:30 PDT. It should be interesting.

    As for Hyundai, we’ve noticed their Ioniq hybrid, EPA mileage, is about 10% higher than their owner reported mileage at In contrast, the Toyota Prius is within 1-2% of the EPA numbers. I would prefer to see independent metrics.

  24. Bob Wilson Says:

    The EPA allows manufacturers to conduct their own tests and submit the results to the EPA. The web link is where the EPA test car database is found. Column “AB” is titled “Test Originator” and tells us who ran the test.

    We know Hyundai was fined $100 million in 2014 for false emissions data.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    24 The Ioniq and Prius got identical 52 mpg “overall” in CR’s tests. The Ioniq got 3 mpg better “combined” EPA numbers. The numbers are for the standard Prius. The Prius ECO has 3-4 mpg higher EPA numbers.

    I, personally, would take the Prius any day, to avoid the complexity for complexity’s sake of the Ioniq’s dual clutch gearbox.

  26. XA351GT Says:

    I just saw that Jeep is doing a special edition Cherokee called the Elizabeth Warren Edition , but it will only be in white.

  27. Larry D. Says:

    25 All these (20 almost!) years, I have tolerated and gradually got used to the Prius weird exterior styling, all those unnecessary twists and turns, because I assumed that this is how they are able to get their impressive MPG, so form follows function and all that Jazz.

    BUT now that the Ioniq is out and, according to you, CR gets the SAME IDENTICAL OVERALL MPG, Nothing is Sacrificed, and you get a FAR better looking vehicle, I thought that many would switch from Prius to the Ionic (I am not interested in Either small car, not only because they are small and unsafe, especially on US roads, but also because I do a pittance of miles with each of my cars and good MPG will cost me an arm and a leg in purchase price, and instead of savings, I will pay thru the nose! If everybody who did not have a serious accident which was the other party’s fault 100%, and admitted so, has not asked the question, how much is my life worth, especially to myself, maybe it is time to do so.

  28. Larry D. Says:

    26 I think you misheard. It is Subaru who will put out a Liz Warren edition, and it will be called a “Lizbaru” (pronounced Lez).

    I lived in MA as a grad student for five years, a long time ago, and really liked the newtwork of friends I had in the area and tried to find a good job there, but did not. I have watched this almost deranged person, Warren, in a so-called “debate” with some unknown challenger Repub, and could not believe that she is so far in front in the polls, double digits. Has the water in MA got really dangerous to their mental health there? She can compete well with that other whacko from Vermont, the millionaire socialist Sanders, who almost became the Dem party nominee!!!

    (Close political parenthesis)

  29. Larry D. Says:

    26 Still, it will be a wagon, you need the trunk space for the ceremonial Drum to greet your guests who made you a Harvard prof for being 1/128th native american…

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27 I certainly agree that the Ioniq looks better than the Prius, but it is absolutely stupid to make the powertrain much more complex, with no gain in either mpg or performance.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28 it seems that many parts of the U.S. have mental health problems, to put a deranged pathological liar in the white house.

  32. Larry D. Says:

    31 But we did not. Hillary lost the election!

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    32 Exactly. The deranged pathological liar won.

  34. Bob Wilson Says:

    Please disregard this table tag test:


    $6.8 B


    Operating Profit
    $416 M
    +$951 M

    Net Profit
    $311 M
    +$930 M

    Source: Tesla

  35. Bob Wilson Says:

    Last tag tests:


  36. Bob Wilson Says:

    Ah HA! One HTML tag works.

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