AD #2466 – Hyundai Veloster N Details, NHTSA Scolds Mercedes Over Recalls, Lewis Hamilton Wins 5th F1 Title

October 29th, 2018 at 11:49am

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Runtime: 7:15

0:31 NHTSA Scolds Mercedes Over Recalls
1:12 Who Will Hit EV Credit Limit Next?
2:00 Hamilton Wins 5th F1 Title
3:20 Hyundai Veloster N Details
5:04 OEMs With Highest ADAS Penetration
5:55 How Much Do Uber Drivers Earn?
6:27 JLR Manufacturing Plan Pays Off

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23 Comments to “AD #2466 – Hyundai Veloster N Details, NHTSA Scolds Mercedes Over Recalls, Lewis Hamilton Wins 5th F1 Title”

  1. Larry D. Says:


    The Hyundai Veloster is not a sports car. It is a “hot hatch” at best. No relation to even the Civic Type R, or the Golf GTI.

    And you title the segment “Details”, but I do not even see the most basic info, what is the HP, the torque, and the performance of the little thing?

    Jaguar’s problem is that it cannot sell its cars. Its market share in the US is just PITIFUL. Most of the meager JLR sales are Range Rovers and their variants. And with Tesla sales exponentially increasing, they will do even worse later.

    EV credit limit. “chopped in half until there is NOTHING left”? Really nothing?

    Jan 1, 2019-$3,750
    July 1, 2019-$1,875
    Jan 1, 2020-$937.5
    July 1, 2020-$468.75
    Jan 1, 2021-$234.38
    July 1, 2021-$117.19
    Jan 1, 2022-$58.59
    July 1, 2022-$29.30
    Jan 1, 2023-$14.65
    Jul 1, 2023-$7.32

    I’ll stop here. For this measly $7.32 tax credit, I will have to fill out how many forms and spend how much time? My consulting rate is $250/hour and I have not raised it in years.

  2. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The Veloster N should be a legit “hot hatch,” for those who like the way it looks. It will be quicker than a GTi or MINI S, but probably much less refined than the current versions of those cars.

  3. Kit Gerhart Says:

    1 On the “nothing left,” maybe they will round it to zero when it gets down to less than 50 cents.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    1, 2 I should have said in #2, but C and D, Jalopnik, and others say it will have 275 hp. Assuming it weighs not much over 3000 pounds, it should be quicker than the 228 hp GTi, or the 189 hp MINI S.

  5. Larry D. Says:

    2 “for those who like the way it looks”, which I absolutely hate. The GTI looks far better. I don’t care if the Veloster has more HP than the GTI. BUT there is a special Golf that is far superior to that, (the Type R?) and so is the top sporty civic, with its 300+ HP, and its really remarkable performance, in the last issue of Car and Driver it did better than cars 10 times its price, and the Veloster and the GTI were not even on the radar screen.

  6. Larry D. Says:

    3 if any consumer accepts the tax credit not when it is less than $0.50, but even if it is less than $200, he or she is math and econ illiterate. It just is NOT worth the cost and the time you got to spend to get the measly credit.

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5 The Golf R is cool, about 300 hp, with AWD, but it costs $40K, quite a bit for Golf, but yeah, maybe a good value, for how well it works.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    6 I agree. My “rounding to 0″ comment was not intended to have anything to do with actually claiming the credit at any value nearly that low.

  9. Albemarle Says:

    The low income reported by Uber drivers should come as no surprise. The gig economy is just short form for suckering people into working for little money with a hollow promise they are part of something transformational. How many cab drivers are making it big?

    As for GM and their attempt to get everyone on the same page with respect to fuel economy standards; it was easy to see when they began the ‘slow the change’ push with the federal government that many states would not go along with it.

  10. GM Veteran Says:

    The EV tax credit does not just keeping halving itself. It only does that twice in a one-year period after the manufacturer reaches the 200,000 unit mark. This is the IRS description:

    “The qualified plug-in electric drive motor vehicle credit phases out for a manufacturer’s vehicles over the one-year period beginning with the second calendar quarter after the calendar quarter in which at least 200,000 qualifying vehicles manufactured by that manufacturer have been sold for use in the United States (determined on a cumulative basis for sales after December 31, 2009) (“phase-out period”).

    Qualifying vehicles manufactured by that manufacturer are eligible for 50 percent of the credit if acquired in the first two quarters of the phase-out period and 25 percent of the credit if acquired in the third or fourth quarter of the phase-out period. Vehicles manufactured by that manufacturer are not eligible for a credit if acquired after the phase-out period.”

  11. GM Veteran Says:

    Sean: Do the UBER pay rates you mention include depreciation of the vehicle they use?

  12. XA351GT Says:

    Well I’m probably in the minority ,but I don’t put much in Hamilton’s 5 championships. He has never had to build a team from the ground up. He stepped into the best team in the sport with McLaren when he broke in. Then moved to Mercedes after Rosberg and Schumacher did all the heavy lifting. There will be those that will want to compare him to Schuey. He , in my opinion couldn’t carry Schuey’s helmet bag. Schumacher built not one ,but 2 teams into champions and one into a Dynasty and retired on top of his game. His ability to set up cars is a big reason why Mercedes became competitive so fast. So Lewis has just benefitted from everyone else doing the hard work. Even Vettel built a mid pack team into a champion

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5 The problem with the Civic Type R is the ridiculous wing, and some other styling bits, but it is apparently, by far, the best driving “enthusiast” front driver around. They must have some good tricks to put 300+ hp to the ground in a 3100 pound front driver, without torque steer.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12 Part of being a champion is picking the best team, and selling yourself to that team, and Hamilton seems to have done a good job of that. The opposite extreme there, would be Alonso.

  15. Brett Cammack Says:

    Thinking about previous episode. Burgeoning relationship between Ford and VW. Thinking that if things go well in the relationship and Ford continues to just bump along, perhaps a merger might transpire somewhere down the road.

    I suspect that VW would love to have Ford’s truck portfolio.

  16. Brett Cammack Says:

    Juan Manuel Fangio will always be the best. Why? Because all his accomplishments occurred during an era where Grand Prix drivers died like flies.

    What differentiates and elevates him to the peak is that he lived to accomplish that record.

    Jimmy Clark was probably the best driver ever to drive a Grand Prix car, but he died and never eclipsed JMF in the record books.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 The Ford trucks do well in the U.S., and VW’s cars would do better in the U.S., if they were sold at all the Ford stores, rather than their current, sparse VW dealer network.

  18. Larry D. Says:

    13 Even the regular Civics have too ‘extroverted’ exterior designs making them look like far more potent vehicles than they really are. But the type R has the teeth to match.

    15 and others optimistic about VW-Ford.

    We have a precedent, Daimler-Chrysler, and we know who got the short end of the stick (not Benz!) and the eventual divorce.

    In addition, last Saturday I was at a very sad funeral, the youngest daughter of a colleague, only 33, had succumbed to cancer after a year, and among the people who went to the cemetery was another colleague and his son, wearing a Ford Jacket (don’t know how appropriate it is, at a funeral), a former problematic student of ours. I asked him what he thought of Clueless Hatchet, and he was not more charitable than i am. I bet he could be on the chopping block along with the other 20,000 (out of 70,000 in the US) salaried Ford Employees soon…

  19. Larry D. Says:

    (PS 18 the young man works at Ford for a few years now, he told me in which division but I will not disclose it here)

    On another topic, the terminology in the last few posts in the previous show about EV batteries. (Series VS parallel).

    A series system is one that only works when ALL its components work.

    A Parallel system is one that works when at least one (or in general, at least k < n) of its n components work.

    An EV battery is NEITHER. It looks more like a "variable output" system that can produce from 100% down to 5% power, depending on the condition of its units (bricks, in Tesla's case?)

  20. Larry D. Says:

    19 damn the non-edit feature, I meant from 100% to 0%, not 5%!

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    19. EV batteries are series-parallel. As Bob W. described, Tesla modules are groups of 6 series connected cells, those groups connected in parallel. In most EVs, the actual motor control starts with the full battery voltage, about 375v for a Tesla S, and, basically, adjusts duty cycle to control speed and regen. The cells may be wired out individually, to balance the cells when charging, and to detect failed cells.

  22. RS Says:

    It is not possible to compare drivers who never raced together. Schumacher vs Hamilton vs Fangio vs Jim Clark vs Mansell… etc. All great drivers – some worthy of more respect than others because of their sportsmanship. But you can measure and evaluate the performance of the drivers who participate in a race and in a season. Lewis certainly compares extremely well against the drivers who compete against him. He can wring out a few extra fractions of a second out of his car at just the right moment. Always entertaining and always a gentleman.

  23. John Doe Says:

    The text says the new Jaguar plant is in Slovakia, not Slovenia.

    Close, but no cigar.