AD #2480 – Toyota Reveals New Corolla Sedan, Top Vehicle Platforms In 2018, Jaguar’s Diesel Problem

November 16th, 2018 at 11:41am

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0:31 Top Vehicle Platforms In 2018
1:39 Jaguar’s Diesel Problem
2:20 Commercial Vehicles Powered by Supercapacitors
3:41 Toyota Reveals New Corolla Sedan
4:28 Toyota Cuts Camry Production
5:01 Chevy Unveils New Models in China
6:14 Schaeffler In Transition

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58 Comments to “AD #2480 – Toyota Reveals New Corolla Sedan, Top Vehicle Platforms In 2018, Jaguar’s Diesel Problem”

  1. MJB Says:

    I am always amazed when looking at cutaways of certain types automotive parts (mainly transmissions and engines). But this Schaeffler device has me absolutely BAFFLED trying to imagine #1. How something like this is even thought up. And #2. how in the world it can even be manufactured/assembled.

    Complexity upon complexity. And I thought a perpetual movement watch was complex…

  2. Steve W Says:

    Does the Corolla still have drum rear brakes?

  3. Kit Gerhart Says:

    2 A recent Corolla in my condo parking lot has rear disks, but I’m not sure if all of them do.

  4. Lex Says:

    If OEM’s like Toyota are seeing declines in sedan demand, what about adding selectable AWD to the Camry and Corolla (formerly the Matrix) and calling it the Camry X and Corolla X? I would believe adding AWD to these models would only increase cost by $2,000 to $1,500 respectively. We just experienced a Mini NorEaster in the Middle Atlantic and New England regions of the US. Many drivers abandoned their vehicles on the side of the road which caused huge traffic snarls. I myself will not purchase a vehicle unless it has AWD. My daughter’s 2018 GMC Terrain SLT has selectable AWD which she primarily drives in FWD until conditions require AWD. She is getting 25+ to 27 MPG. This might be away to keep plants and plant workers working IMHO.

  5. Larry D. Says:

    New Corolla. This should be big news, but the result is really underwhelming. Apart from the good news that a 6 speed manual is still available, what else does it have going for it? A terrible front end (Toyota should fire its styling team, seriously.), and most likely a cheap interior, and they will ask for $25k for this thing? ridiculous. then they wonder why people buy far more useful crossovers and tall wagons like Subarus instead. And as far as the engine, these days 1.8 lt or 2 lt can mean anything from an anemic 120-140 HP all the way to… 300 HP if its twin turbo like in the overpriced and poorly made (leaking sunroofs on new cars, anybody?) Volvos.

  6. Larry D. Says:

    4 I have lived in the Snowbelt 41 years now, 5 of them in the Boston area, and I Never had or needed 4wd or AWD. I drove FWD econoboxes and mid-size coupes and later luxury cars and flagship luxury cars, all with RWD, which is the worst for snow and ice, allegedly, and never had a problem, UNLESS the Tires were worn out.

    If you have a good set of tires with enough thread left over, you will never need AWD or 4WD.

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    2. I found that only the top two trim level Corollas have rear disk brakes. That seems odd, but it really doesn’t make much difference in braking performance, and drums are lower maintenance, especially in areas where corrosion can be a problem.

  8. JWH Says:

    #6 – Having been in Southeast Michigan since 1966, driven a little bit in snow. Need & want are different items. When graduating from GMI in 1970 bought a 1970 Corvette which was my only vehicle & it got me where I wanted to go. Today we have 2 AWD vehicles (V70R even has winter tires since summer tires are NG in the winter). AWD makes winter driving much easier & I’m not concerned about slightly reduced fuel mileage. Winter tires are much better than “all season” tires in snow/ice. Vehicle with summer tires (2016 Corvette) hibernates for much of the winter).

    #7 – My personal take is that disc brakes are lower & easier maintenance (rear pads should last at least 75K miles). I made sure that daughter got rear discs on her 2016 Focus (they were optional). In addition, I was always amazed that repair shops charged higher prices to replace disc brake pads compared to drum brake shoes. Again, my opinion is that disc brake maintenance was much easier.

    Sorry to be so disagreeable today – Must be the white stuff making the ground pretty today.

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5 The MSRP of the Corolla ranges from ~$18.7K-$22.1K. I agree, that a Corolla is underwhelming in appearance and performance, but they have lots of standard safety tech, including automatic emergency braking, lane departure warning, etc., along with adaptive cruise control.

    4 I lived in the snow belt for 40-some years, and never needed 4WD either. Even with RWD cars, “all season” radial tires in good condition would keep me moving, unless the snow was so deep that the front bumper was acting as a snow plow.

  10. Larry D. Says:

    8 I lived in SE Michigan for over 36 years and seriously you never need AWD or 4wd there. it is not Colorado where you go up the rockies and need both AWD and snow tires. I never ever used snow tires nor does anybody I know here.

    I also always use ALL SEASON tires. Summer tires of course may have problems in the winter, but if you use All Season you are 100% Ok. AND when you are not, having AWD will not help much (if the road is really icy).

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 If nothing is corroded and stuck, like the pistons in the wheel cylinders, disk brakes might be a little easier to service, but the thing is, with rear drums on a smallish front drive car, chances are, you’ll never even need to service them. If you do, it is less likely that the pistons will be stuck, because they are better protected from salt, etc.

  12. Larry D. Says:

    10 Correction, I do know somebody who uses (and in fact abuses, as he uses them well beyond when it is necessary) snow tires. He is a colleague who was always a very careful (but not skilled) driver, drives very slow, and recently he told me he was diagnosed with Alzheimers, while he is only 62. (I insisted that he gets a 2nd opinion but he would not listen). He likes Audis, had a new GTI in the mid-80s and then a series of A4s and A6s, and recently got a 3.0 BMWX5, which he also liked, but now he is at home and scared to drive anywhere. His wife, a longtime Mechanical Engineer at Ford, used to get speeding tickets a while back, lots of them. Earlier, when he was OK, I tried to explain to him that he contributes to the DISMAL state of Michigan roads, perhaps the worst of all 50 states, which is a real disgrace for a state that is home to the.. Detroit 3, by using his damned snow tires well before and after the real winter here.

  13. JWH Says:

    #10 – As I stated – Need & want are different.

    I prefer AWD & also prefer to have one of them with winter tires (easy choice for me since V70R has summer tires on separate wheels). Having had 4 vehicles with winter tires & the ability to compare them back to back, I will stay with my beliefs & preference to use winter tires. If possible the tractor with snow blower only comes out of the pole barn once or twice a winter.

    We each can have our own opinions although I believe mine is much more humble than yours. Have a good weekend.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8, 10 True summer tires, like OEM on current Corvettes, are bad in cold weather, even without snow or ice. They kind of turn into hard plastic that does not have good traction, even on dry pavement.

  15. Bradley A Says:

    My 2014 Corolla has four disc brakes.

    Yes, my wife has mentioned many times an AWD Corolla would be her ideal car. Maybe even a wagon with no lift kit and no plastic wheel arches.

    You are correct, marketing and fear has fueled the want for AWD/4WD

    I really like my 2014 Corolla. Making the new one just a little smaller, etc. Is a good move. Cars are getting too big!!

  16. Larry D. Says:

    13 yes, I read it the first time, and it was 100% clear to me.

    I only commented on what you need here (as opposed to a state with really challenging roads in the winter, like CO). I have no idea what people Want. They may well want a Rolls Royce and a driver.

    PS I never complained about your opinions and would appreciate if you accept ours as well.

  17. Buzzerd Says:

    I live in the snow belt and while you could argue you don’t ” need” AWD in a car I could also argue you don’t” need ” 90% of the stuff in your house. Some type of 4WD is pretty much needed in any type of truck unless you’re retired and just wait for the roads to clear. We did just lease a Cruze but next car will be AWD again, until then we will use my truck when weather is crap. Snow tires are good but don’t kid yourself, it’s not the same.

  18. Larry D. Says:

    15 all Cars and trucks are getting too big with each new model, with the possible exception of the Mazda Miara or MX5 which is very discplined. The Civic of today is almost 3,000 lbs, while my 3 door 1991 hatch, which we drove until 2016, was less than 2,000 lbs! Back in 1975, my Dasher (passat) wagon was also 2,006 or so lbs while the current version should be 3,500 and more. The Corolla of the 80s was a small, very tinny vehicle, that also weighed around 2,000 lbs while this one must be close to 2,700 (my 1990 Accord 5-sp coupe was 2,822 lbs)

  19. Buzzerd Says:

    @Larry- here’s a challenge for you- try not using the word ” I ” in your posts for a bit.

  20. Larry D. Says:

    17 need and ‘need’ are different. I clearly spoke about need without quotes, but got confused with ‘want’ and all kinds of other stuff.

    It is really clear. You did not need (without quotes) the ‘extra rustproofing’ slimeball dealers told their sales staff to peddle, back in the 80s, and you don’t need AWD and 4wd if you know how to drive and watch your all season tires for wear.

    As to my own house and what is there that I do not need, if true, it is not something I paid for. Different people have very different spending habits. I am frugal, but also a collector. I have so many books, the place is like a bookstore and I am really behind reading them, but most of them I got for 100% free or dirt cheap from our local public library sales or book exchange. My TV is still working,, the one I bought in… 1984 (!) and I have a brand new 55″ I got last Thanksgiving and have not bothered (or found time to) install yet. As I said, different people can be as different as day and night, and I am not the typical US consumer. Obviously.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 A friend had a 1977 Accord 3-door hatch which was much smaller than today’s Civic.

    My sister’s friend had a ~1977 Corolla which was really different from today’s Corolla. It was an RWD two door sedan. I don’t know if they had a 4 door at the time, but if they did, it would have had the same roofline as the two door.

  22. Larry D. Says:

    19 Not interested, I prefer direct speech and prose. But if you first tell us 10 great things about Tesla, I might reconsider.

  23. Larry D. Says:

    21 one of my grad school roommates had one of these, they sure were small, and the Civic of the time was tiny, probably 1,500 lbs or so. Back then Honda’s market share was still very small vs today’s 9-10%. People barely knew the cars then.

    I was also surprised that the 1977 Corollas were RWD, I wonder if Toyota was influenced by the success of the VW Beetle then. I had classmates who had one of these back in 77-82.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23 all Corollas were RWD until around ’79 or ’80. For a while, there were both FWD and RWD Corollas, with RWD wagons, and FWD sedans and hatches. As I remember, the first FWD car Toyota sold in the U.S., in around 1978 was the Tercel, a little smaller than the Corolla at the time. I think they called it Corolla Tercel at first.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    A Tercel replaced the 1977 Corolla I mentioned, and it must have had some Saab or Audi DNA, as it had a longitudinally mounted engine.

  26. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I just took another look at the snozola on that new Corolla (side view as presented in today’s show); makes Jimmy Durante’s’ look like a button nose. I know styling is subjective but in my opinion, yikes. It is way too busy when compared to the rest of the car (back of the A pillar to the rear). Yeah, I know, they’ll probably sell a ton of them.


    Thanks for the information on platform numbers. It makes the true top selling vehicles come to the forefront rather than just looking at individual vehicle nameplates.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26 I like Toyotas, at least their 4 cylinder hybrids, but they could use some styling help. I agree with you about the Corolla, and the current Camry has too many incoherent creases on the side. Then, there’s the Prius. I have one, certainly in spite of, not because of how it looks. Imagine how Toyota would dominate the market if their cars looked better.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It seems that the term platform is used rather loosely, with the VW MQB used for vehicles from the Polo, to mid-size MPVs. The vehicles vary substantially, not only in height, but in wheelbase and track width. I guess the corners define the platform, and you just add more sheetmetal in the middle to make it longer and wider.

  30. Victor West Says:

    Looks like a fish mouth on the front of the new Corolla.

  31. Aliisdad Says:

    Toyota makes great cars of real quality, BUT the front ends on both Toyota and lexus brand are AWFUL!! It would be a “deal breaker” for me at trading time although I would otherwise really consider their offerings based on past good experiences.

  32. FSTFWRD Says:

    @8 JWH “Need & want are different items” So very true!!
    I live in So CA where we have perfect weather year round and it is amazing how many people want a Subaru because they are AWD. Go figure.

  33. FSTFWRD Says:

    And…… If I did live in the snow belt, I would want my wife’s car to have AWD. Just because. And also for my kids when they were just learning to drive.

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    33. I learned to drive in snow and ice in an RWD car without snow tires. That’s a good experience.

  35. FSTFWRD Says:

    34 I learned to drive in the dirt and sand with some unknown tires. I think every kid should learn in the dirt. Surly teaches you how to slide, drift, steer, and keep control of an “out of control” vehicle. LOL

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    35. Yep, if you a have a place to do that, it would be good.

  37. Larry D. Says:

    28 The new Toyota, from some angles I saw in other pix, seems to have a terrible front overhang, in addition to the ludicrous styling. The Curse of FWD, but some FWD are far better in hiding it, and Subarus, surprisingly, while AWD, still used to have huge front overhangs that made them look real ugly.

    Re the Prius, I have got used to several generations, from the second to the third and even the current one. It looks good from most angles, but where it is awkward is in the rear side view, where there seems to be too much sheetmetal above the tiny (looking) wheels, maybe they could fix this with a larger glass area, but it might increase the weight.

    I used to tolerate the prius because I believed the weird styling was dictated by wind tunnel tests, and made it possible to achieve the great MPG, but when two years ago Hyundai’s IoniQ looks much smoother and gets the same MPG, I realized it was just the same fools in the styling dept (and the execs who did not reject their ridiculous designs)

    Hyundai went to the Italian design studios and got help. The cost is minimal because you spread it out over millions of mass produced vehicles. Toyota should do the same, if the inside team can’t style a decent vehicle.

  38. Larry D. Says:

    32 Just because many in SoCal buy Subarus, does not mean they buy it for the AWD.

    33 When I lived in Northern VA in summer 1991, the two most memorable bumper stickers I saw were first, a miserable K-car with a 60ish or older driver, who drove with the window down and smoking a cigarette like FDR in the old pix, whose sticker said “BOYCOTT JANE FONDA, TRAITOR B—H”, and the other was a minivan with its rear end bashed in, whose sticker said “MY HUSBAND DID IT”

  39. Kit Gerhart Says:

    37 The standard wheels on the current and previous generation Prius are 15 inch, and they do look small, but only because of the out of control big wheel trend, or fad? My van has 14 inch wheels which looked “normal” when it was new in 1989, but now look like roller skate wheels.

  40. ChuckGrenci Says:

    It seems to me that, performance wise and comfort wise, that optimal wheel size(s) should be on the order of 16″ to 18″. Some vehicles look okay with the larger wheels, but if you check on a lot of vehicle forums, right around 20″ wheels, the complaints start, which are usually hard ride, much more prone to potholes and tires get exponentially more expensive. I’m sure my statement is not all inclusive but I would be willing to say, generally speaking, I’m on the right path.

  41. Larry D. Says:

    39 My old Civic hatch had only 13″ wheels but one never noticed because it was also very short, 51″ height. On the prius, as I said, the front wheels do not look out of proportion, only the rear ones do, because of the very tall slab of metal above them, this is why I suggested that if they increased the glass area there, it would not look as awkward, but I bet they do not do it because it would increase the weight.

    As I like bargains and almost fully depreciated vehicles, all my recent cars (a 98, a 07 and a 08) have 16″ wheels. But if I bought a 2007 Lexus LS460, I think it would have 18″ and optional 19″.

    40 the Flagship Rolls Phantom, even the old 2003 Phantom VII, a huge 230″ or 240″ long car, 5,600-5,800 lbs, had 22″ wheels, and the latest Phantom VIII has 21″ standard, and optional 22″ that “barely ruffle the calm” as the Motor trend review states. I think these huge wheels will not compromise the sublime ride of the Roller flagship, but it may be an extension. I have not owned cars with more than 16″ wheels and have not experienced the larger ones.

  42. Larry D. Says:

    not extension, exception, above.

    BTW I recently checked LS460s pre-spindle grille and they hold their value very well, even with 200,000 miles, a 2007 still sells for $8k or so asking price.

  43. Kit Gerhart Says:

    41. My 220 inch long ’57 Chrysler had 14 inch wheels, and what would now be about 80 series tires. They probably did that at the time to get a softer ride, with the decidedly low tech suspension. Handling was not a high priority in American cars at the time. The high tech, probably active suspension helps the new Rollers ride well, in spite of the 22 inch wheels and low profile tires.

  44. Larry D. Says:

    21 and 22″ tires on Rollses are never low profile tires like they have in Lambos and Ferraris. They have a ton of rubber around the huge wheels.

    The Phantom should have a phenomenal ride. Not only is the weight substantial and the wheelbase (not just the length, it is the wheelbase that really matters) huge, its suspension must be an air or gas suspension that further makes it feel like riding a cloud.

    Mike Karesh, an old friend who runs the “True Delta” reliability database (he asks far more detailed Qs than CR and JD Power) told me once that the Phantom was the only car he drove that “made him feel like a Potentate”. I replied that it probably made him feel like the Chauffeur of a potentate.

  45. Kit Gerhart Says:

    44 i looked it up, and the Phantom has 45 series tires. That’s low profile to me. Yes, some sports cars, including my Corvette have lower profile, but the Phantom is an ultra luxury sedan, not a sports car.

  46. Kit Gerhart Says:

    For example, the base tires (18 inch) on a Porsche Cauman and Boxter are 45 series.

  47. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Unfortunately, Mike Karesh ended his qurterly surveys. I contributed, almost from when it started, but I received an email a while back about the surveys ending.

  48. Kit Gerhart Says:

    44 I find it interesting that the Phantom uses a 6-speed ZF transmission, rather than the 8-speed that nearly everyone else has switched to. It’s not that the 8-speed isn’t strong enough; the Chrysler Hellcat cars and Jeep use a Chrysler built ZF 8-speed. They wouldn’t care about gas mileage with the Rolls, but I’d think the 8-speed, with more closely spaced ratios, would be a little smoother than the 6-speed, and you’d want ultimate smoothness in the Rolls. There must be a reason for the 6-speed, though.

  49. Kit Gerhart Says:

    A Car and Driver review says the Phantom has an 8-speed ZF. Maybe the link in #44 is a few years old, or is about a preowned car a few years old.

  50. FSTFWRD Says:

    #38 ??? Larry, what do bumper stickers have to do with anything??? And, the several people I know that bought Subarus, bought them just because the were AWD. Don’t tell me what my friends say. As far a good sales numbers, who knows. Advertising? Service? Perception?

  51. FSTFWRD Says:

    34 Kit, I bet it was. My father was from Buffalo and my mother was from Brunswick Maine. You can imagine the stories that I heard as a child.

  52. Larry D. Says:

    50 It was your comment 33 that reminded me of the bumper stickers, the second one, to be precise. The first one, consider it as a freebie.

  53. Larry D. Says:

    48 I think I should hold a Phantom VII and VIII tutorial here.

    The first BMW Phantom was the VII, 2003-2017. THAT is the one with the 6 speed ZF. When they put out the next generation, after a huge, unprecedented 15 years, vs the 4 year model changes at Civic and Camry, they changed it to the 8 speed.

    No Rolls, including all BMW Rollses, is a “Driver’s car”, but the one that was always the least of a “Driver’s car” was the huge Phantom, which was built on its own platform (Phantom VII), while all other Rollses BMW built were built on the 7 Series Platform.

    I really am not into the terminology and jargon re tires and wheels, which I never researched much, but I go by what I see, and if you see the huge 22 ” wheels on the Phantom in any photo,

    there seems to be, as ROlls used to say about the undisclosed HP of its Pre-BMW models, an “adequate” amount of rubber on top of the wheel.

    Rolls did not have the least reason to use low profile tires on any of its vehicles, but if it ever did, it would put them on the ones pretending to be sporty, like the Wraith or the convertibles, even the Ghost, but never the Phantom.

    BTW doing my shopping yesterday I kept seeing new i3s, also a Prius Prime (looked quite long and slender) and a midsize Chevy Colorado, which may have had large wheels (18? 19?) but had at least 5″ of thick rubber on top of them.

    I did not notice any Teslas on the road, but I was looking at my market share maps for the last few years (US market) and as late as 2016, Tesla had the tiniest possible market share, 0.1% (I use a 25×40 square grid on my spreadsheet, each square obviously=0.1% market share.) In 2018, some months it had a 1.6% market share, a 1,500% increase in just two years (!!!) and for 2018 as a whole I estimate a 1.1% -1.2% share, and climbing fast still, and probably 1.5% – 2.0% in 2019.

  54. Kit Gerhart Says:

    53 The Phantom VIII has 255/45R22 tires. The 45 is the “aspect ratio,” and is % of height to width. Not too long ago, any tires with an aspect ratio of lower than 55 or so were considered “low profile.” 45 series tires still are, to most people.

    The Rolls Phantom VIII tires have .45 times 255mm of rubber between the road and the wheel rim. That is about 4 1/2 inches.

  55. Kit Gerhart Says:

    This is what Rolls-Royce wheels and tires looked like, before big wheels with low profile tires became fashionable.

  56. Larry D. Says:

    50 (Just noticed the rest of your comment) #38 And, the several people I know that bought Subarus, bought them just because the were AWD. Don’t tell me what my friends say.”

    OK, so I believe you that ALL of your “several” (3, 5 or 10?) friends bought their Subarus for the AWD, even though they live in the sunbelt and never drive them in the snow (the Sierras are only an hour drive from LA). Why do people here assume that when I make a comment about some carmakers sales, I specifically mean themselves or a few friends of theirs, all of whom I never met, and not the 400,000 (now more like 600,000) buyers of Subarus each year? I could care less about anecdotal evidence, BUT, if you want me to comment on it, it makes zero sense, and the more LOGICAL explanation, that they bought it for OTHER than the AWD reasons, such as its very reasonable price (I will bet on that), its utility, its good quality, and yes, some may have bought it for its clever marketing), is more believable.

  57. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Nissan Plans to Oust Carlos Ghosn as Chairman Over Financial Misconduct

  58. Larry D. Says:

    57 You beat me to it. Today should be a big auto news day. I got 6 different emails about this.

    it is well known here that I never cared for cheap Junk maker Nissan, and especially for its arrogant (and now crooked) CEO Ghosn, whose paid PR minions did a good job portraying him as some kind of… genius.

    I am not impressed with anything he ever did. Especially his alliance with the other cheap junk maker Renault. (dumb and dumber).

    But it turns out he was not just an incompetent presenting himself as some kind of big deal, he was a crook to boot.