AD #2595 – 2019 Lexus NX 300h Impressions, Mustang GT350 Sparks Sound Debate, EV Supply Issues

May 15th, 2019 at 11:51am

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0:06 Automakers Running into EV Supply Issues
1:04 FCC To Review 5.9 GHz Spectrum
2:42 Subaru More Popular in U.S. Than in Japan
3:08 Volvo Launches Car Accident Advisor App
3:52 VW Gives Lesson on Design Terms
5:05 Mustang GT350 Sparks Sound Debate
6:34 2019 Lexus NX 300h Impressions

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63 Comments to “AD #2595 – 2019 Lexus NX 300h Impressions, Mustang GT350 Sparks Sound Debate, EV Supply Issues”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The NX300h uses, basically, the Camry hybrid powertrain, which works well on that car. Maybe the NX too heavy for that powertrain.

  2. Larry D. Says:

    5G has been in the news a lot lately, in conjunction to that Chinese company Huawei or whatever, and their shenanigans, but, Sean, how many of your viewers are you assuming have clue one what 5G really means? I bet, not all of them, not even most of them. A precise definition of what it is would help.

    0.5% market share Chinese owned Volvo – Geely managed to have a story here again, although this will not make me read it. I did not even pay attention, and I did listen to the show, about what PR stunt they have pulled now (which will also not help their US Sales)

    VW Arteon. I generally like VW’s exterior styling in the Golf, Passat, and Jetta and this is a far more expensive vehicle than they are, so they are trying too hard, it seems, to justify the fleecing of the buyers.

    However, I have read articles about the Arteon, and not just the exterior styling, where even an econobox can be made to look good with a minimum of cost, but also the INTERIOR, and its interior SUCKS as much as the Passat, a good looking comfortable car I rented two years ago in Toronto, whose interior was as dirt-cheap and low-rent as the Arteon’s.

    Stick to basic transportation and Good Taste, VW, and don’t try too hard. Leave the upscape stuff to all these other Divisions you have, Audi (best interiors in the business!), Porsche, Bentley, Lambo and Bugatti!!!

  3. David Sprowl Says:

    I remember my grandfather telling my about the glorious sound his ride would make way back. He thoroughly enjoyed hearing the hooves pounding the ground the massive gulps of air going in and out of the horses mouth. He didn’t care much for the emissions, but minor compared to his over all experience. Then came along those loud noisy sputtering horseless things. electrics are the foreseeable future – not good nor bad, but different.

  4. Larry D. Says:

    2 upscale, not.. upscape.

    You asked us what we think about the Mustang sound vs BEVs lack thereof debate. I am not a big fan of the smell of diesel fuel in my car, even though it runs on extra-low sulfur diesel fuel we have had for more than a decade now in the US as well. I notice it when I finish driving and park and get out the door, and it smells AWFUL.

    Likewise I am not a huge fan of all the racket, and please don’t make it sound like a Mustang or a Camaro has the exhaust sound of a Ferrari ( which is a major factor why Ferrari charges you an extra $20k or $50k for its noisy machine).

    This debate must have happened before, around 1910, when the horse and the buggy were replaced by the ICE (very slowly in Europe, where the ICE was invented, and fast only in the US thanks to Henry Ford and the Assembly Line).

    I bet there were Horse and Buggy (or Chariot, Landaulet and all the fancy names for carriages they had, many were kept to use in cars too) enthusiasts that would prefer their beloved Horse, even though the ICE (not the early ones, mind you) would blow its socks off in a drag race.

    There is room for everything. Horses and Carriages have not disappeared (not completely, at least), and so will ICEs.

  5. Larry D. Says:

    1 why don’t they use the RAV4 Hybrid’s powertrain? Isn’t this small SUV a clone of the RAV4?

  6. Brett Cammack Says:

    Seems to me that the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is a far better value proposition than the NX300h.

    ICE sounds: I don’t like loud, but I like the mellifluous rumble of a V-8 (think 1969 Dodge Charger 440) or the muted burr of proper English 4-cylinder sports car of the ’60s. (Lotus Elan?)

    I do look forward to owning a BEV before I die, though. I think they should pump whatever synthetic engine sound you want into the interior while the world outside is blissfully silent of vehicle noise. I feel the same way about people who insist on sharing the soundtrack of their life with you at every intersection.

  7. Lambo2015 Says:

    My Guess is Doug H and Jay Jay are millennials with not much car history. They probably are more excited about AV technology and being able to sit in a seat play on their phone while the car drives them around than being able to appreciate a well tuned engine. Going electric is a noble endeavor and maybe even evolutionary, but if that GT500 is loud and annoying to their ear then they don’t know a great sounding V8. Its a sports car and it is supposed to be loud and somewhat obnoxious with bright colors and stripes and shiny wheels.
    I personally had the hairs on my neck stand up at even the short clip you played on todays show. That’s exciting not the hum of an electric motor.
    To my point I recently visited a go-cart track that was in Georgia and it was all EV carts and was indoors. Very cool place and the carts were not only fast but quick to accelerate too. Also being EVs the track owners are able to regulate everyone’s speed before the green flag and after the checkered or during a yellow. But the interesting part is they placed a speaker in the headrest to not only tell the drivers whats going on but to pipe in indy car like sound which although fake AF it does make the racing more exciting. Sorry but you just need that roar of an engine..

  8. Larry D. Says:

    You can’t possibly be serious. Have you even tred both vehicles? Have you sat in the Lexus and compared its interior to that of the Mitsu?

    Consumer Mags have.

  9. Larry D. Says:

    8 was meant for 6. “tred” should be “tried”.

    The ‘better value proposition” than the Lexus is the Toyota RAV4 Hybrid.

    I could care less for any of the three, or for any crossover or SUV for that matter (I know I will alienate at least half the people here but I don’t care) they all look butt-ugly to me.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5. The RAV4 hybrid uses the same powertrain. It just works better in the somewhat lighter, and lower drag Camry.

  11. bradley cross Says:

    Most v8s at medium to high revs sound great. However you cant beat (EV) speed for marketing impact.
    Safety also sells but of course these days most cars are very safe so hard to standout.

  12. Larry D. Says:

    11 My 740iL’s v8 sounded very smooth, like a turbine. The exhaust from a current model Camaro I heard the other day on the street did not seem street-legal, it belonged to a track, was too annoyingly loud, as if it had a deficient Muffler (or none at all)

  13. pgl Says:

    thank you for being openly honest about your comments about the Lexus NX 300h. It’s those kind of comments that are missing from reviews.
    Some good, some bad. The bad always will come up in conversation or be reminded every time you use the vehicle. Kudos ~~

  14. Roger Blose Says:

    Nothing like the sound and feel of a good V-8! I own two, one push rod, and one dual overhead cam 5.0 Fords. Get them before they are gone!

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5,9 etc. The NX hybrid weighs about 20% more, and is 8 inches taller than a Camry hybrid, and it shows, both in performance and mpg. The RAV4 hybrid is somewhat lighter than the Lexus, but the same height. The NX hybrid is only a little shower than a Camry hybrid in CR’s tests, 8.9 vs 7.8 seconds 0-60, but is a lot thirstier, 29 mpg overall, vs 47. The 2018 RAV5 hybrid got 31 mpg.

  16. ChuckGrenci Says:

    The lope of a cammed race engine, the whine of a V-12, even the rattle of a diesel are all music to my ears. The visceral presence of an engine running, just revs my ‘bones’. So different strokes(pun intended) for different folks; both electric and ICE will share the stage for quite some time, so as far as sound (not noise) is concerned, all should be fulfilled, so try to have a little compassion for your fellow enthusiast whichever one they choose.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12 If it was a recent Camaro you heard, it might have the optional “dual mode” exhaust, that partly bypasses the muffler in “performance” (loud) mode. That is also available on Corvettes, and I have one of few without it. I question it being legal in the loud mode, but they are allowed to sell it. I think something similar is available in V8 Mustangs.

  18. Albemarle Says:

    The Accura NSX is a hybrid. Not fair to excuse the $50,000 Lexus’s performance because it’s a hybrid. Also there’s too many actions that require the use of the touchpad. Weak car. No thanks.
    Used to have a 1969 Mustang. Loved it but really loved the V8 sound. The GT350 sounds light years better. Have a Bolt now and love its sounds too; the motor whine and the sound of the tires just starting to break loose. I think I’d love the sound of an elastic band unwinding if it was powering a car.

  19. Larry D. Says:

    14 NX 29 MPG that’s pretty lousy for a hybrid, esp when the Camry gets 47 and is a much more spacious car.

    I saw a couple of Prius Vs, one at work and the other I see every afternoon when I get back home. What is their CR MPG?.

  20. GM Veteran Says:

    Japanese brands selling more in the US market than in their home market is nothing new. Honda did that for years, often selling twice as many vehicles here as compared to Japan. In recent years, this has also been true for Nissan, which surprisingly ranks 5th in sales in Japan. For many years they were a firm second behind Toyota.

    After the scathing review of the lack of performance, noise and frustrating infotainment system in the tiny Lexus, I was very surprised to hear the conclusion that overall its a good car. Who would pay $50k to sign up for a vehicle that is frustrating to drive every single day? What does it take to achieve a poor overall rating from Autoline?

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    My favorite engine sound is from radial airplane engines, maybe because I rarely get a change to hear it. I seem to get my fill of V8 sounds, from all of the pickup trucks with the mufflers removed. Maybe that’s why I ordered my ‘Vette without the “noisy on demand” exhaust.

  22. Larry D. Says:

    16 Interesting. Curious if the police can slap a ticket on them esp if they use it in an urban area, esp late at night.

    I saw couple more noisy cars that seem to have mufflers messed with recently, they were both very old, the first was a 1st gen NSX, and the other was a Lexus LS400 (pre-2000), looked good in white, was lowered, had fancy tires, but the front end on the driver’s side looked like it had been in an accident. It went in the opposite direction in a divided parkway and did not have time to observe it carefully.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 Prius V, 41 mpg overall. It is kind of slow, though, 10.7 seconds 0-60. It uses the powertrain of the gen 3 (2010-2015) regular Prius.

  24. Bradley Says:

    I have never liked loud cars.

    However, I did really like the sound of the Lexus IS-250 at full throttle. Unlike the Mustang, it sounded disciplined and refined while flexing its muscles.

  25. Larry D. Says:

    22 That’s pretty good.

    I remember the other Lexus which was a prius clone but not as tall, I sat inside and it was quite cramped, and as for luxury it had some leather but that was about it. And also way overpriced, CT200h or something.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    19 I like hybrids, at least Priuses and Camry hybrids, but that NX is much better as a non-hybrid. The regular version with a 2.0 turbo didn’t get that much worse mpg in CR’s tests, 24 vs 29, and is significantly quicker. Still, if you want that car, the RAV4 version is a much better value, and has better controls. If you want a “premium” CUV in that class, there are much better ones, like X3, Q5, GLC, and others, but the Lexus is more reliable than most.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    24 I drove a CT not long after I got my 2010 Prius, and the Lexus’ handling felt better than the Prius, but beyond that, I didn’t see much there for the extra thousands of dollars. I think the Prius had more space, and seemed as quiet, though neither is terribly quiet.

  28. Bob Wilson Says:

    Somewhere there is an App developer planning to combine iPhone accelerometers with synthetic engine noise to play at teeth grinding volumes. Perhaps including the ‘insanity’ audio.

  29. Lambo2015 Says:

    Go back and watch iconic movies like “Bullitt”, “Eleanor (gone in 60 sec)”, “Bandit” or shows like “Dukes of Hazzard” or anything with a car chase and watch it muted and see if its as exciting. Even the low rumble from the 58 Plymouth Fury in “Christine” is what makes that movie. The hum of an EV motor would probably not have the same affect. EVs might be the future but the sound of a healthy ICE will never get old.

  30. Larry D. Says:

    26 I see quite a few short, bulky subcompact crossovers lately, before they were almost all Buick Encores, now they all seem to be Chevy Trax-es. These are smaller than even the Rav4, which is already cramped in the rear, so I wonder, what are they sacrificing, most of the cargo space, or most of the rear legroom (assuming they have a rear seat!) Plus they look really terrible, short in length, not elegant at all, and bulky.

  31. I.M. Buell Says:

    I love the sound of most engines…within reason (no coffee can muffles on a rice burner or straight piped Harleys please). Driving a vehicle with a deep throaty exhaust gives the driver a straight punch to the adrenal glands! To that end, I saw my first electric vehicle race last year in person…what a snooze fest! The tire noise and chain noise was by far the loudest thing you could hear and didn’t make up for loosing the engine exhaust sound. The racing on TV was actually pretty good (and worth watching)but it completely lost the visceral experience of being track side. Once EV’s take over racing, I’ll never go see another race in person. My bet, is that most racing will end with the exception of road course racing and maybe off road stuff (drag, oval, NASCAR…sadly their days a probably numbered)

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If there are still people who want to see and hear piston engines, racing will continue to use them, even if they are mostly gone from road cars.

    I really like the sound of the engine in my KLR650 motorcycle. It sounds like a big Briggs and Stratton. No, I’m not serious about being excited about its sound.

  33. Lambo2015 Says:

    30 I totally agree and appreciate almost all engine sounds. Even the sputtering of the old VW bug engines is music to my ears. The only annoyances to me are the ones you mentioned 4cyl cars, with what they call fart cans, a strait pipe Harley. Oh! and jet skis and some snowmobiles fall into that more annoyance than pleasure category.

  34. Dale Leonard Says:

    Absolutely love the sound from that GT-350 Flat Plane Crank. I’m such a sound freak I cut the muffler off my 94 Ford Ranger 4 banger just to get more sound from it. And I’m 70 years old.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    32 VW bug engines have a distinctive sound from the timing gears, when they get a few miles on them.

    I never much liked the sound of chain saws, but I like the sound of some two strokes, especially the Kawasaki triples when under acceleration.

  36. Drew Says:

    Wow, a dearth of comments about 5.9 gHz vs. 5G for vehicle-to-whatever (V2X) communications. 5.9 offers a much lower cost to consumers implementation…. no monthly subscription.

    For V2X to work, the market needs to be saturated. Does “saturated” 5G mean I have to pay a monthly fee (count me out) or that I’ll be inundated with unwanted advertising (a distraction and imposition I still don’t want)?

    Please protect 5.9 gHz for affordable automotive safety.

  37. Drew Says:

    Nothing beats the sound of a V8 or V12… Porsche’s Flat 6 wishes it sounds half as good.

  38. Lambo2015 Says:

    35 Then you probably wont like the “lumberjack” song by Jackyl.

  39. cwolf Says:

    EV’s may be the future, but not as quick as those who are pushing this down our throats want. The average “Joe” can’t afford one (for now), will never accept rage anxiety and needed chargers, but most of all, have no desire to give up the ICE. It’s as simple as that!
    The manufacturer who continues to focus on the ICE is the one who will become more profitable in the foreseeable future.; And I bet the Koreans and Japanese will be the first to realize.

  40. Terry Quinn Says:

    Here is an interesting factoid that a friend (who is an engineer working on this stuff) told us in a technology meeting. If every machine that uses gasoline (gasoline cars, small airplanes, some trucks, lawn mowers etc.), was replaced by EV motors, the U.S. would have to add 39% more electricity generation that what we currently have. That does not include diesel fuel, and jet engine fuel. If you want to replace all fossil fuels, including natural gas and coal and oil, you need way more than 200% of the current electricity from any source.

  41. XA351GT Says:

    I love the sound of a engine (especially a well tuned V8) Like I do a screaming guitar. It just makes me feel right. I understand many don’t like a loud exhaust or loud rock and roll. The 2 go hand in hand for me. On the 4 banger front and v6 Many of those sound absolutely awful at higher dbs . They miss the tone of a V8 or V12. The Viper V10 sounded like crap with the side piped exhaust they were better ,but not much with both exiting the rear of the car. But that particular engine I think had more to do with the low revs it produced than the fact that it was a V10. A friend at work had a BMW M5 with a V10 and it sounded like a F1 car, but it revved extremely high. The best sounding 4s I’ve heard were believe it or not the Pinto based 4s in the UK MkII Escorts. Straight 6s didn’t sound bad . The Datsun Z cars always had a nice note

  42. Kit Gerhart Says:

    41 Viper V10s are uneven firing, which may be part of why they sound like they do, but yeah, they are low reving compared to the BMW, and the V10s used in Audi R8s. As far a 4 cylinder engines, I always kind of liked the sound of the Offys that powered most Indy cars for about 40 years.

  43. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Also, the 4 cylinder engines used in sport motorcycles can sound pretty good as they rev to about 13K rpm.

  44. Kit Gerhart Says:

    41 European Escorts were rear drive longer than I realized, up until 1981 or so. I guess the closest to that car sold in the US was the Capri, but the Capri was fancier, and probably bigger.

  45. XA351GT Says:

    Here you go check out this Esky with a Cosworth head. Being driven to the absolute limits. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwI40XFupLE providing I didn’t screw up the address I think you’ll enjoy this.

  46. XA351GT Says:

    Here you go check out this Esky with a Cosworth head. Being driven to the absolute limits. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l40XFupLE providing I didn’t screw up the address I think you’ll enjoy this.

  47. XA351GT Says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwl40XFupLE

  48. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’m getting “video unavailable” with both my Android phone and a Mac.

  49. XA351GT Says:

    Here you go check out this Esky with a Cosworth head. Being driven to the absolute limits. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw140XFupLE&t=142s providing I didn’t screw up the address I think you’ll enjoy this . If this doesn’t make it this time go to youtube and type in Simon McKinley White Escort

  50. Larry D. Says:

    In case you have no clue why the Japanese are so mad at that weird little Lebanese who was born in Brazil and thinks he is … French (not just any Surrender Monkey, but the Sun King of Versailles fame himself), here is a short and sweet VIDEO EVIDENCE of his shenanigans there!

    https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2019/05/versailles-party-video-makes-ghosn-look-like-a-17th-century-monarch/#more-1674164

  51. Larry D. Says:

    50, not just that, the blithering idiot (at least emotional IQ-wise) did not just discreetly have a great time, like most billionaires do, he had to hire a dozen TV crews to provide proof!

  52. Larry D. Says:

    50, 51 and just in case, to fully understand the magnitude of the resentment of the Nissan blue AND white collar workers, this clown slaughtered (aka fired) Nissan employees by the thousands, ( an absolute no-no in lifetime employment Japan where workers are legendary for the loyalty to their company in return), while he spent like a drunken sailor ( or a drunken Louis XIV bad replica anyway), and FLAUNTED it publicly too!

  53. Larry D. Says:

    53 and furthermore, while he could have used the opportunity and all the big expenses to build bridges with other auto execs, his guests, besides very few Nissan Execs, were mostly stupid and irrelevant CELEBRITIES.

  54. Anthony Parisio Says:

    Fossil cars just sound like old fashioned outed dated slugs. To me a loud Fossil car sound is the sound of a SLOW car.

  55. ChuckGrenci Says:

    The sound of a car can be its soul, and not just engine, there is the mechanicals, the air rushing past its body and the tires contacting the road; well mixed and you have a song. There are many signatures to be sure, some delightful, some annoying.

  56. Lambo2015 Says:

    40 If Electric is to replace fossil fuels people don’t have to wait for EVs you can switch your home over to baseboard electric heat now. Proven technology that’s been around for years. Although most homes that were built that way get converted to forced heat using propane or NG. Maybe not as much down south but where we get 9 months of cold weather electric is not a selling feature.

  57. Kit Gerhart Says:

    56 My Florida condo uses resistance heating, but would have heat pump if a few years newer. Natural gas, where available, is probably the cheapest way to heat where there is cold weather. Water source heat pump is efficient, but expensive.

  58. Larry D. Says:

    The answer you have all been waiting for: No more sleepless nights, Rolls Royce will go full electric (don’t ask me when exactly). Its boss said:

    “What are your electrification plans?

    We will go electric in the next decade. We won’t tell you exactly when but rest assured it will happen, step by step. Not hybrid but full electric. We won’t phase out combustion engines overnight, there will be overlap for quite a while. We will sell cars with 12-cylinder engines as long as we are legally allowed to do so.”

    BTW last year was a record one for RR-BMW, sold over 4,010 units thanks to the Cullinan “SUV”, which the boss insists is not a warmed-over BMW X7 flagship SUV (so I bet it shares a ton of mechanicals with the Cullinan)

  59. Steve Henderson Says:

    Give me the throaty sound of a V-8 any day. As for the Lexus, great vehicle but I can’t stand the humongous grill. Nissan spoiled the Maxima but changing the mouth on their models too.

    Come on mid engine Corvette.

  60. Lambo2015 Says:

    58 Guess they will need to remake the movie MAD MAX, All those modified cars in the future will have to be EVs. Or will life imitate art?

  61. Kit Gerhart Says:

    60 Most of the ’30s cars at today’s shows had might as well be electric powered. A ’32 Ford is not a ’32 Ford with a Chevy V8, any more than with an electric motor.

  62. Larry D. Says:

    60 I believe they already remade one of the mad max movies (as well as a “Death Wish” movie starring Bruce Willis as a surgeon (not an architect) Dr. Kersey. I saw it a week ago on DVD and it wasn’t bad.)

    As for Mad Max, the most realistic remake in a truly post-apocalyptic world would be to use horses and buggies.

  63. NormT Says:

    Our 2018 Regal TourX 2.0T with torque vectoring AWD is seeing about 30 mpg on the daily commute of 12 miles:30% at highway speeds and 70% at 35 mph.

    On the 65 mph the 2.0T with 8-speeds is hovering around 40 mpg with ease. And that is on 87 octane pulling around a true AWD syatem, not some psuedo Toyota AWD that doesn’t send any power to the rear still for 2019.

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