AD #2644 – ADAS Leading to More Distracted Driving, Former Audi CEO Charged, FCA Reports Q2 Results

July 31st, 2019 at 11:47am

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0:07 Former Audi CEO Charged with Fraud
0:51 Qualcomm Says U.S. Needs to Adopt C-V2X
1:29 FCA Reports Mixed Q2 Earnings
2:47 ADAS Tech Leading to More Distracted Driving
3:45 Europe Cracks Down on Exhaust Noise
4:21 Ford Makes Acquisitions to Help with AVs And Mobility
5:30 Hispano-Suiza Shows Off New EV

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39 Comments to “AD #2644 – ADAS Leading to More Distracted Driving, Former Audi CEO Charged, FCA Reports Q2 Results”

  1. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Hispano-Suiza, do something with that grill and you might have something, but on the other hand, with only 19 being built I guess it just doesn’t matter.

  2. MJB Says:

    I agree with Brian Reimer about auto transmissions and power steering contributing to drivers paying less attention.

    The more you have to do to actually “drive” a car, the more attention you’ll pay to actually “driving” the car (as opposed to just letting it drive you).

  3. Larry D. Says:

    the OLD Hispano-Suizas were the rollses of the time, but this RIDICULOUS vehicle, which TESLAS costing 10 times LESS, beat it to a pulp, is LAUGHABLE.

  4. Lambo2015 Says:

    Sorry I know its off topic of todays show but for those interested in the new mid engine Corvette. Here is an interesting article on the 5 previous mid engine Corvettes that never made it past concept. Started all the way back to 1968, 72, 73, 86 and 1990.
    https://www.kbb.com/car-news/mid-engine-corvettes-that-were-not/2100007621/?category=all-the-latest

  5. David Sprowl Says:

    I have to wonder. Cell carriers are already carping about capacity and will throttle your data. So who pays that bill? What happens when I do not carry my cell phone with me?

  6. Brett Cammack Says:

    While the Hispano-Suiza is a nice homage to the original, it would be more appealing if I thought I could fit inside it.

    As it is, I’d rather have one of those Talbot-Lago replicas that fellow was building down in Riviera Beach, Florida years back.

    One on hand I am surprised at the scope of the malpractice at the German auto manufacturer’s, but on the other hand… what else is new?

  7. Lambo2015 Says:

    No doubt ADAS leads to more distracted driving, which is why I have stated many times before on here, that the autonomous vehicles need to take an all or nothing approach. The features that assist driving but do not take full control is like relying on a 4 year old passenger to help you drive. Just when you think they got it they decided its nap time. Giving people a false sense of security that their car doesn’t need their input 100% of the time is exactly what you’ll get. Their input or attention less than 100%. So unless the car is capable of driving completely on its own I fear the partial systems will make the roads more dangerous.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    A real Hispano-Suiza.

    https://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/csc-features/hispano-suiza-h6-the-best-car-in-the-world

  9. Buzzerd Says:

    ADAS leads to MORE distracted driving? well duh! Also, this just in – fire hot, water wet!. Were they expecting something different? Seriously.
    Drive in Europe for a spell and check out their traffic controls and the amount or lack of distracted drivers then compare to what NA does.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I guess I avoid distraction, for having a new car. I rarely use the adaptive cruise, and I switch of the automatic lane keep function.

  11. Lambo2015 Says:

    Did anyone else think the HISPANO-SUIZA looks like the car version of a mullet. New design that resembles Audi R8 up front and old school design in the back to pay homage to time of boat-tails and wheel covers? But as Chuck said with that price and only 19 being made…who cares?

  12. Buzzerd Says:

    @10 I rarely ever use cruise, probably use it the most on my motorcycle to give the wrist a quick break.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12 I use regular, constant speed cruise a lot, but rarely use adaptive cruise. My two wheelers don’t have cruise. They’re too old and too cheap to have it.

  14. Lambo2015 Says:

    I had a rental vehicle with Active Cruise and lane assist and it was tempting to take my eyes off the road longer than I normally would. After an hour or so realizing the car could maintain its lane on the highway and would keep a set distance from the vehicles ahead and even brake in the case of stopped traffic it required very little input from me. I did not have a foot on the gas or the brake and it did require a hand on the wheel. (I tried to let go just to see what would happen) within 5 seconds of letting go of the wheel an alarm would sound like a seatbelt chime with a message on the dash to keep hands on the wheel. That’s good I guess although a hand on the wheel doesn’t make you pay attention.

    I enjoy driving so I wasn’t a real big fan in fact if I was in a section with no other traffic around and attempted to change lanes without using a signal the vehicle would fight me and tug the wheel to try and keep it in the lane. (yeah I know should always use your signal and I typically do but wanted to see what would happen) I could fairly easy overpower it and change lanes but I think on a wet or snowy road it would give feedback that could be misunderstood. I also didn’t like that space it kept between me and the vehicle ahead of me. In any area where it got busy the space invited cars to cut in and then my vehicle would slow down to get the space back and another one would slide in and soon I’m not keeping up with traffic but just keep getting slowed down by the cars passing me. So in congested areas it needed to be shut off.
    I really liked the automatic braking feature but found it hard to rely on. Certainly could see how that would be helpful though.

  15. XA351GT Says:

    I watched a show on cable years ago that was talking about vehicle safety and one of the commentators said if you really want people to pay attention to their driving instead of a airbag deploying from the steering wheel it should be a steel spike. Now while being tongue in cheek the message was the safer vehicles become the less the driver is. Your more apt to pay attention to your driving of a old car that has no driver assist features then you are with a modern car that in most cases of a crash you walk away and do it all over again like a video game.

  16. XA351GT Says:

    Lambo I thought the 1982-92 Camaros were the automotive mullet

  17. XA351GT Says:

    So what is really being said is Jeep & Ram is keeping all of FCA above water.

  18. Lambo2015 Says:

    15 Yeah except in the video game the car is also repaired/replaced in seconds. I have seen some highway driving where someone was thinking it was just like a video game and with no regard for who else they may take out when they crash. Obviously not in touch with reality.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 I drive more carefully in my 30 year old van with no air bag, and so-so brakes, than in my newer, safer cars. I drive more carefully yet on my motorcycle or scooter.

    14 The only time I ever use adaptive cruise is on lightly traveled two lane roads, where I sometimes use it if I’m behind another car going about the speed I want to go. I quickly found adaptive cruise to be really bad on divided highways, when in a line of cars passing others, but the ones in front are taking their time passing. Even set at the closest distance, it doesn’t follow closely enough, and even mildly impatient drivers are tempted to pass on the right.

  20. GM Veteran Says:

    17; Makes you wonder how profitable FCA would be if it only had brands sold in North America. Without the burden of development costs for Alfa, Fiat, Lancia and Maserati, Chrysler would be flush with profits!

  21. Larry D. Says:

    The grille on the fake Hispano-Suiza with the laughable price tag for what little it offers, seems taken from… a Genesis loser. Way to go!

    As for driver help features, the lane-changing warning could be helpful. Once I was in upstate NY for meetings and we did not have much coffee, and we ended at around 2:30 PM and left, and I had the 740iL, I must have dozed off and realized a little bit later that… I had changed lanes, miraculously nobody was hurt and nothing happened. If I had my regular shot of caffeine this would never have happened.

  22. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I love cruise control but I’ve never had or tried adaptive cruise control. My thoughts, though I don’t have any experience with it, is that ‘adaptive’ will leave enough space that it will invite others to invade your lane and will be intrusive enough to continually slow you down. Even with conventional cruise control you’ll get lane invaders but being alert and at the ready you can drive a little closer (without tail-gating) to the car in front and dissuade some of them. One of my reasons for using cruise control (especially on long trips) is my proclivity for sciatica with pain from my hip to my foot (if constantly applying throttle).

  23. Lambo2015 Says:

    22 Chuck you might want to get checked for chronic compartment syndrome. This is usually not an emergency, but the loss of circulation can cause temporary or permanent damage to nearby nerves and muscles. Lots of truck drivers suffer from it.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 From my experience, “lane invasion” is exactly what happens when using adaptive cruise in many situations on divided highways. Also, if you use it to stop at stop signs, it makes you run stop signs. The car in front of you starts moving, and you follow it through the stop sign. Still, it is cool that adaptive cruise and all of this other tech is possible to do so cheaply.

  25. Bob Wilson Says:

    The State Farm report omits the relative accident rate of ADAS versus not having it. Fortunately Tesla reports this every quarter (see link.)
    3.27 million miles with Autopilot engaged
    2.19 million miles with built-in safety features
    1.41 million miles without Autopilot or built-in safety features

    0.498 million miles from NHTSA for all cars

    So if State Farm would ban cell phones, cosmetics, and electric razors, I could agree this that policy … for State Farm clients.

  26. Bob Wilson Says:

    The web link points to a fatal Tesla-pedestrian accident in San Francisco. A speeding Tesla ran a red light; was broadsided by a Mini Cooper, and; the Tesla killed the husband and sent the wife to the hospital. The Tesla was doing +15 mph over the speed limit but Autopilot limits the speed to +5 mph and was not involved.

    State Farm is probably trying to justify its high rates for Tesla insurance … and impose them on Cadillac Super Cruise and every other ADAS equipped car. They did not report the relative accident rates of ADAS cars.

  27. ChuckGrenci Says:

    23, Lambo
    Thanks for the info on chronic compartment syndrome; I looked it up and don’t think I have that particular problem. I’m pretty sure I have a hip/back problem. My Dad had to have his hip replaced and I know I have had slight to moderate back problems a lot of my life, but thanks all the same.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Here’s some data saying the Teslas have much higher fatality rates than other “luxury” cars. There’s a lot of Elon trashing in the article, but a very good discussion of difficulty, and conscientiousness of collecting Tesla data.

    https://medium.com/@MidwesternHedgi/teslas-driver-fatality-rate-is-more-than-triple-that-of-luxury-cars-and-likely-even-higher-433670ddde17

  29. Lambo2015 Says:

    28 I think you’ll find as more of the driver assist systems hit the market there will be plenty of accidents where it was not being used but blamed for an accident. This will muddy the credibility and consumer confidence in such systems. Hopefully all those systems have the ability to determine if they were engaged when an accident occurs. Sadly the damage is usually already done in the court of public opinion before it gets to court and proven that the actual operator was at fault.
    These AV systems have a lot of obstacles to overcome, some have nothing to do with their ability to actually pilot the vehicle.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 The cars would, presumably, have data logging to know what systems were active at the time of a crash, and one would hope the NHTSA would have access to that information. Still, as you say, there’d probably be misinformation out there that would affect public opinion.

  31. Robley Melton, Jr. Says:

    6, I saw one of those Talbots in a store on Worth Ave Palm Beach back in the 70′s when I lived in the West Palm Beach area for ~10 years. Beautiful car very similar to the late 30′s Alfas.

    My son-in-law owns one of the rare Consuliers originally made in Riviera Beach (?) – very interesting and unique styling! This car is virtually a “street legal” race car!

  32. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.jpmorgan.com/global/research/electric-vehicles?itxidio=517677794&ito=1039&itq=ef77b8af-d977-42ca-bf96-75fa57ab0bf4

    “…by 2025, EVs and HEVs will account for an estimated 30% of all vehicle sales. Comparatively, in 2016 just under 1 million vehicles or 1% of global auto sales came from plug-in electric vehicles (PEVs).1

    By 2025, J.P. Morgan estimates this will rise close to 8.4 million vehicles or a 7.7% market share.

    While this jump is significant, it doesn’t compare to the kind of growth expected in HEVs – cars that combine a fuel engine with electric elements.

    This sector is forecast to swell from just 3% of global market share to more than 25 million vehicles or 23% of global sales over the same period.

    This leaves pure-ICE vehicles with around 70% of the market share in 2025, with this falling to around 40% by 2030, predominantly in emerging markets. ”

    I doubt that last 70 to 40 % drop.

  33. Larry D. Says:

    31 The original Consulier GTP was a 2200 lb. mid-engined car powered by a mid-mounted turbocharged Chrysler 2.2 L engine producing 190 hp. The styling was almost ugly, definitely minimal and crude. Later versions used much more powerful engines such as Lingenfelter Corvette engines.

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    33 They were crude, but light. A few of them had the Chrysler turbo III, a 2.2 using a head made by Lotus, rated at 224 hp in the Dodge Spirit R/T I had. Yeah, the Corvette engines were much better for cars like the Consulier/Mosler cars.

  35. Larry D. Says:

    34 The ones I saw looked like a high school science project.

  36. Brett Cammack Says:

    One cruise control feature I’d love to have is a pair of +/- buttons on the wheel to allow me to precisely increment/decrement the cruise speed in 1 MPH increments.

    Talbot-Lago replica: http://www.tlccar.com

  37. Bob Wilson Says:

    #28 – did you read this direct quote from the article cited?

    “Neither IIHS nor NHTSA have yet published summary quantitative real-world fatality data on Tesla cars. ”

    It so happens I have direct experience with the lag in the FARS database. Anyone who claims they have more recent data other than Tesla is … “blowing smoke.”

    The anonymous “Midwestern Hedgie” is inaccurate both statistically and factual.

  38. Bob Wilson Says:

    Sorry, I forgot to include a link to my earlier FARS analysis (see link.) It turns out that I did a fairly rigorous analysis of the dodgy claims that noise makers would make Prius safer for the blind.

    So the web link point to my 2009 analysis that revealed there is likely an “A” pillar problem but no evidence of a Prius vs pedestrian fatal accidents. You of course are welcome to do your analysis and share it with the community.

    Sad to say, these useless noise makers will delay by at least a decade effective pedestrian protection from their true threats: SUV and pickup trucks.

  39. Bobby T Says:

    36, not sure what you drive, but all of my Fords have +\- buttons. If I hold the button down, the speed will continue to increase, but a brief tap gives me 1mph.