AD #2649 – Nissan Drops Titan Trims from Lineup, USMCA Contains EV Supply Chain Provisions, Ford Tests Dealer Storefronts

August 7th, 2019 at 11:50am

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Runtime: 6:48

0:07 Mercedes Offers Subsidies to Retrofit Diesels
0:41 USMCA Contains EV Supply Chain Provisions
2:26 New Battery Tech Will Help Grow Number of EVs
3:30 Ford Tests Satellite Dealer Storefronts
4:43 Senators Urge Carmakers to Join California Pact
5:33 Hyundai Teases Electric Racecar
5:47 Nissan Drops Two Titan Trims from Lineup

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23 Comments to “AD #2649 – Nissan Drops Titan Trims from Lineup, USMCA Contains EV Supply Chain Provisions, Ford Tests Dealer Storefronts”

  1. Lambo2015 Says:

    Sounds like the USMCA will head the US in the right direction when it comes to EVs.

    Does ABI’s prediction specify EVs as being passenger cars cause when their prediction is wrong I suspect they will say they were including electric scooters and bikes and all EVs.

    I can see how the new Ford store fronts may help get people into the dealership. Being able to look at a few vehicles and get information without the sales guy asking where you work and what kind of payment you were looking at certainly sounds appealing.

    Oh Nissan, a company I really hate to see struggle as I once owned a Datsun and found it to be so much better engineered than the US cars of the day (1979). I was impressed then and not so much now. Probably why they are struggling.

  2. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’m not surprised that the Titan XD diesel is going away. It has all of the reasons NOT to buy an HD pickup, lousy mpg, even on diesel, ill handling, crude, etc., but has none of the reasons TO buy an HD pickup. A gas V8 Ram 1500 gets better mpg than the Nissan on diesel, and the towing capacity is not much different.

    Does anyone know why Cummins ever made that V8 diesel? The larger, but much better engine used in Ram pickups, school buses, etc., has only 6 cylinders.

  3. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Instead of raising the fuel mileage requirement to 55 mpg, why doesn’t the regulatory branch of enforcement get rid of the loopholes and credit buying and just keep the present 39 mpg (for now) and watch real work to get averages to their fleet. Probably not as easy as I portray or even fair but not too much more nebulous as just arbitrarily assigning a new higher number with a befuddlement of new regulations and work arounds that don’t make headway either. I do feel that one standard should be chosen for the whole country.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    New NAFTA, AKA USMCA will further reduce EV sales in the US, as it will force higher prices by not allowing global parts sourcing of the usual type. Yeah, it will create a few additional US jobs.

    It looks like the “chicken tax” on trucks will be expanded under USMCA, as trucks from Mexico will see a 25% tariff if their production doesn’t meet the new rules.

  5. cwolf Says:

    The cost of batteries better come down a whole lot by 2028 or there will be 100M pissed off EV customers! I wouldn’t be so certain that the majority would want another. Just remember the battery is mandated to last 8 years but looses 40-60% capacity by then. After only 1-2 years capacity is lowered to 80%. And the hidden kick-in-the-pan is the faster a battery is charged, the faster the degradation.
    Many are going to wonder why they have to charge more and more often over time and can’t go as far.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3 Also, they should just have rules for all “light vehicles,” and get rid of the silly, nebulous definitions now used for “car” and “truck” for CAFE calculation.

  7. Lambo2015 Says:

    2 I’m guessing they didn’t make the Titan XD specifically for the US market. I can only assume they expected to tap into foreign markets where Diesel is more popular. Like maybe South Africa, India maybe even Australia.
    I have never driven one so not sure on the handling or ride but if the fuel economy is of no advantage over a gas engine I’m not sure what the appeal would be. Longevity?

  8. Lambo2015 Says:

    3 Kit I see your point to rid the system of credits which can be sold that effectively allows manufacturers to work around the requirements. However it would be extremely difficult for manufacturers like Ferrari and probably even Ford to meet requirements when their major sales come from vehicles that are far from achieving 55 mpg.
    I would much rather the EPA tighten pollutants and forget about MPG. Especially now that EVs are on the rise. So if a manufacturer can build a 700hp car or truck that can tow a million pounds without exceeding the set pollution standards than great. That really is what we are after, are we not? Why force the manufacturers to build cars that no one wants? GM can manage to lose enough money with their own decisions and don’t need the government forcing them to build a bunch more GEO metros to meet some requirement. Build what sells and clean up the air. Gas consumption will decline in the coming years anyway.
    Or as you suggested many times tax the gas a lot more and that will force people into more fuel efficient vehicles. Sadly though that hurts lower income folks where an extra $50 a week for gas can break em.

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7 The only test info I have handy is from the CR web site, where the XD got the same fuel economy as the F-250 diesel, but the Ford was 2.5 seconds quicker to 60 mph, and has a lot higher tow rating. This goes along with what I remember from other reviews when the XD was new.

    The XD has mostly the same, poor ratings for handling as the “big 3″ HD trucks, but much worse than the “light duty” 150-1500 trucks with near the same capability of the Nissan XD.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 Most people think that climate change partly caused by CO2 emissions is real, which is a lot of the reason to encourage efficiency, since oil production exceeds demand, at least for now. When CAFE was first put in place, the main reason was to try to reduce the amount of oil imported from the middle east.

    Any big increases in gas tax would need to be phased in gradually, to avoiding hurting lower income people. That would give people a chance to consider that they don’t really need a huge pickup truck or SUV, to drive to work, or transport 2 or 3 people around town.

  11. Albemarle Says:

    From what I understand USMCA is more complicated than NAFTA. The requirement for 75% content is for all of North America, not just the U.S.. As well, the requirements for Mexico to pay a decent wage doesn’t kick in until the volume of cars they produce is a certain % higher than they currently produce. So the pressure on Mexico will come in the future, the current production is still at a few dollars an hour. At least that’s what I understand. John, Sean?

  12. Larry D. Says:

    5 Do you even have the slightest clue how much battery costs have gone down just between 2011 and 2018?

    If you were paying attention and learning anything from my posts, you would know (these are Serious Bloomberg data, NOT just opinions!)

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-03/battery-reality-there-s-nothing-better-than-lithium-ion-coming-soon

    “It’s a very versatile technology, so every time it gets cheaper, that opens up more demand segments for it,’’ said Logan Goldie-Scot, head of energy storage research at BloombergNEF. Lithium-ion battery pack prices, which averaged $1,160 per kilowatt hour in 2010, reached $176 per kWh last year and could drop below $100 in 2024, according to BloombergNEF. The continuing drop in prices combined with improved performance will likely open new markets.

    Can you even BEGIN to understand the TREMENDOUS and CONTINUING progress? Can you read a link? 9 I really doubt it). because I have posted this information more than once.

  13. Larry D. Says:

    10 the gas tax should be ZERO. Gas and all other fuels, HOWEVER, should pay for the damage they cause to the environment. (same for electricity for EVs). Economists call them “EXTERNAL costs” vs the well known “INTERNAL” costs, which is the paltry $2 a gallon gas costs before taxes. Some economists have calculated these external costs to another $6 or so per gallon.

    In Europe, gas tax is just a way for governments to raise more revenue. It should never be like that. it should be the CORRECT amount of the EXTERNAL costs for ALL fuels.

  14. Buzzerd Says:

    “If you were paying attention and learning anything from my posts” well if he’s anything like me, nope, haven’t read a word.

  15. Lambo2015 Says:

    13 The nice thing about gas tax is its paid throughout the whole year and not a lump sum. Also those that drive more pay more.
    However assuming 15k miles a year and a vehicle that gets 25mpg that person would pay $278 a year in gas taxes in Ohio. .184 cents federal and .28 cents for state per gallon.
    Some states already subsidize that cost with plates that are based on weight or value of the vehicle.
    I agree that allowing gas to be taxed to just generate revenue is not the answer but I’m happier about a higher gas tax than paying higher registration costs.
    To me gas tax is like a toll road and the more you use the more you pay and that seems fair.

  16. Max Says:

    Not sure about Ford’s new idea in regards to the storefront dealerships, but I’d be willing to try one. I used to love …. well, at least really enjoy ….. going into dealerships to talk shop with the salespeople (real car guys) and look at the new vehicles.
    The dealerships are now nothing more than a place to buy product X from salesperson Y. They all come across as shifty and slick, and most of them know nothing about the products they are selling. It’s to the point, I’d rather go to the dentist than go look at new cars ……… but what do you expect as we’ve gone from the locally owned dealerships to the corporate owned dealerships.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I like gas tax a lot better than toll roads, because gas tax encourages conservation, at least a little. Florida is the toll road capital of the US, and the toll roads more than double my direct costs when I use them. People justify driving the huge trucks they don’t need, because it only costs 50% more to drive that “crew cab” pickup on on the toll roads with one person, than to drive a very efficient car, while on non-toll roads, it would be 140% more. OK, I doubt if many people considerate it that way, but some would.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 From my experience, the most knowledgeable car sales people are the ones that will soon be retiring. The guy I ordered my 2016 Corvette with knew the car, and the options very well, and seemed to know most other Chevys products pretty well, or at least was good with the tools they use when speccing out cars. He is in his 60s, and will probably call it quits soon.

  19. Larry D. Says:

    17 my point was that even with ZERO gas tax, if only each fuel paid its correct EXTERNAL as well as internal costs, gas prices would be 3 times as high. I hate all taxes and tariffs and other stupid surcharges. This is NOT a tax, but will have all the positive effects of a tax of the same amount. I refuse to give the horse and buggy types the satisfaction to complain about a huge gas tax, because, if they had a clue about Economics 101, they would know it is NOT a tax.

  20. Len Simpson Says:

    RE: storefront sales—-Plenty of empty malls to serve this purpose
    again –the ONLY EV that makes any sense at all to me is 48V w/simple ICE gen. The idea of hauling around a half ton of batts is simply ridiculous

  21. FSTFWRD Says:

    @14 Buzzerd, I too just skip over any post by Mr. Larry D. Like many of us, I think he is just too rude, a know-it-all, and doesn’t understand why we all don’t think like him. Just me??

  22. Thursten Howel Says:

    “Any automaker that wants to sell electric cars in the U.S. will have to make the motor, transmission and battery pack including cells in the U.S. Right now, the USMCA is tied up in Congress, but if and when it’s enacted, it is designed to create an electric car supply chain in the U.S.”

    Sean,
    Do you mean Canada and the US? Since Canada also meets the $16 threshold.

  23. Gary Susie Says:

    I quit reading the posts the last couple of months because we were being told that only one person new it all and the rest of us weren’t to bright.