AD #2661 – GM Gives the Bolt a Jolt, Porsche Shows Off Taycan Interior, Plug-In Lincoln Aviator Impressions

August 23rd, 2019 at 11:52am

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Runtime: 8:16

0:07 GM Gives the Bolt a Jolt
1:08 Tesla in Talks to Buy Batteries from LG Chem
1:25 Lithium Prices Down This Year
2:13 Plug-In Lincoln Aviator Impressions
3:53 Most Common Car Questions on Google
4:25 Porsche Shows Off Taycan Interior
5:16 Don’t Be a Lead Foot in These States
6:13 Flat Tire in Alaska
6:40 AIWAYS Road Trip Update

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50 Comments to “AD #2661 – GM Gives the Bolt a Jolt, Porsche Shows Off Taycan Interior, Plug-In Lincoln Aviator Impressions”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    A plug-in hybrid like the Aviator and others should start the engine if you floor it, to give normal acceleration, no matter what “drive mode” you are in. Having a pure EV mode which gives very leisurely performance is dangerous, if a right pedal on the floor doesn’t over-ride the EV mode.

  2. Larry D. Says:

    GM and Bolt. 20 extra miles good, but should not help sales much. Radically changing the body style to a popular one will.

    “Aviator” ( I can’t help laughing at the utterly inappropriate named for this Hippo every time I see it)

    “But with nearly 500-horsepower and 630 lb-ft of torque ”

    What a waste.

    “but we tried it on an uphill section and the vehicle moved like a snail, not wanting to go past 35 MPH.”

    What a clever design.. NOT!

    Taycan: Curious how successful it will be. If not much, they can stuff the plant in the Cayenne and try again.

    “flat tire”? This “joke” bombed big time. The dogs are not just the tires, they are also the power plant, so Cylinders.

    “fines for going 20 MPH or less over the speed limit are under $35.”

    So if you go 20 over you pay just 35? IF so, pretty good. Around here they are desperate for our $, so even $1 above is $`140, and each 5 miles over is an extra $10, so it rather pays to drive 185, like in the Maserati of that rock singer.

  3. Lambo2015 Says:

    Sean is the number one question for Google how to jump a car “Dukes of Hazzerd” style or with jumper cables? :-)

  4. Maverick Says:

    So now it appears that both GM AND Tesla will be using the same battery supplier, LG Chem. Or, in other words, the new auto manufacturer, Tesla is using the same battery supplier as GM. So much for breaking away from “not-invented-here” thinking Elon. :)

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I read a Top Gear article about the Taycan’s dash, and has a lot of buttons, and simulated buttons in touch screens. It seems that they wanted to differentiate it from certain Teslas with essentially no regular switches.

    https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/inside-porsche-taycans-techy-interior

  6. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Lambo – I didn’t even think of that, but I really hope it’s Dukes of Hazzard style.

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3,6 How far can you jump without damaging the suspension?

  8. Sean McElroy Says:

    @kit – Definitely depends on the vehicle, but not very far for sure. I remember watching a behind the scenes video on the Nicholas Cage Gone in 60 Seconds, the part where he jumps Eleanor on the bridge over all those vehicles. The ramp that they used to actually jump the car off of was laughably small and, if I remember right, did considerable damage to the car.

  9. GM Veteran Says:

    Not that you can tell from the way Porsche spelled it, but I believe their pronunciation is more like Thai Khan.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    @Sean, thanks for the story. Maybe a Jeep Wrangler could drop farther than most vehicles, and that’s why they still use the solid front axle.

  11. GM Veteran Says:

    And, I agree with Larry D. If the Bolt powertrain were available in a Blazer type of bodystyle, I would be much more inclined to buy one. I wish Jeep would offer the Pacifica Hybrid powertrain in the Grand Cherokee. I would love to get that kind of mileage in my SUV. Maybe in the upcoming all-new model . . .

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11 Would you want to pay ~$60K for an electric Blazer? It would probably need to cost that much, if you scaled up the motor and battery enough to have the same acceleration and range of the Bolt, with the much higher weight and drag.

    If the Pacifica hybrid powertrain could be easily adapted to the GC’s longitudinal layout, and if there’d be a place to put the batteries, yeah, that might sell. They now have the diesel, though, for GC buyers who are willing to pay a premium for better mpg. It might be easier put the hybrid powertrain in the non-Grand Cherokee, which is transverse engine, but it there might not be a good place for batteries. The van has lots of room for batteries, if you give up stow-and-go seating.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Trade war and autos:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/23/tesla-ford-have-most-to-lose-among-us-automakers-on-chinas-new-tariffs.html

  14. Lambo2015 Says:

    7 Here is how far you cant jump. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8W85WjayKQ

    If you ever get a chance to go to Silver lake sand dunes its a blast to even just watch, especially when folks like this with more money than brains are there.

  15. Chris Says:

    That speeding ticket cost per state is very misleading. Here in Virginia the cost for the basic speeding ticket is acurite but while they show the costs for over 20 or 25 in other states, they fail to mention that 20 over adds a reckless driving charge in Virginia (I don’t know about other states). That’s a big addition to the fine, plus potential license suspension and even jail time, as well as the 5 years of higher insurance. And yes, the cops and judges are serious about it; slaps on the wrist are rare.

  16. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I know that in “Smokey and the Bandit” the jump over the bridge was one and done. I can’t remember how many ‘same’ Trans-Am’s they had for the film but I think they used most of them up.

  17. Scott-in-Cleveland Says:

    @Sean,

    Also the movie version of Starsky and Hutch, in the end credits it showed all the outtakes of the car jumps where the car wrecked, some pretty bad.

  18. Larry D. Says:

    12 The Bolt would sell much better if it looked anything other than what it looks now, a poorly proportioned fat mini-minivan. ANYthing would look better than that, and while a Blazer version might cost much more, other versions would cost little more. (a sedan, wagon, even a hatch that was elegant like the Honda Hatches of 1987-2000 or so)

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I bet these car jumping movies and TV shows have substantially increased the collector value of certain cars in two ways, increasing their popularity, and reducing the supply.

  20. Larry D. Says:

    12 Also, not all crossovers are expensive. I remember the FCA fake crossovers like the Patriot and the uglier COmpass. My colleague Marc who never bought an import had a Patriot FWD and insisted it got 30 MPG Hwy. There could be a Patriot-sized crossover version of the VOlt that would look infinitely better and GM would not have to sell them to Cruise at bargain basement prices.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 So far, the Bolt is outselling the similar, but more SUVey looking Kia Niro EV about 12-1.

  22. Larry D. Says:

    19 Neither of those god-awful movies (Hazard or 60 seconds) would make the cars featured in them more interesting to me, let alone make me pay more to buy them.

  23. Larry D. Says:

    13 any losses for Tesla will only be for the short time it will take for its huge China plant (zero tariff on its cars!) to ramp up production of the Model 3, in a couple months.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 The Compass and Patriot were pretty lame efforts, The 2nd generation Compass is somewhat better, but still near worst-in-class in mpg and civility. Also, the reliability in CR’s surveys ties Range Rover, not what you want.

    The 2nd generation Compass basically replaced the 1st gen Compass and the Patriot.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23 Yep, it looks like the timing will be pretty good on the plant in China. They must really move fast over there, if they get running in about a year. I think that is what it will be, if they get going as soon as they predict.

  26. Lambo2015 Says:

    17 I was in high school in the 80s and most everyone drove the old muscle cars, as they were a dime a dozen at that time. Anyway there was a stretch of back road that was paved from our school to another we were playing football against. There used to be railroad tracks and the road was raised up a good 4 ft where the tracks were. At some point during the summer the tracks were removed along with the crossing signs and any other identifiers. A few guys were just flying down this road and before they realized the huge rise in the road they were airborn. They totaled the car which I believe was a Buick Cutlass. They measured from the launch to where the car came down and they had covered over 30 ft. Not sure how high but it shoved the shocks and springs right thru the shock tower up front and broke the rear axle. They guys in the car said it was like jumping off a 8 ft ladder onto your butt.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 They wouldn’t make the cars more desirable to me either, but they do with some people.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26 It sounds like they were lucky to apparently land more-or-less intact, and not go off the road, and tumbling end over end.

  29. Larry D. Says:

    27 You’d never have bought the Mini if it looked like the Bolt. And you paid a hefty premium for it over Toyotas of the same footprint and even bigger interiors that don’t look as cute.

  30. Larry D. Says:

    25 This assumes the tariffs will be imposed, but the markets seem to be quite high recently, if they believed there will be no agreement in the Chinese Trade talks, they would not have recovered.

    China has far more to lose from the tariffs than the US, it’s almost a 10 to 1 ratio. On the other hand they are no democracy, so they can have their people suffer, while if Trump did that he would not have a second term.

    If I had to guess I’d believe they will reach some agreement that saves face for the Chinese and benefits the US.

    The trade war threat had to be made, the Chinese trampled on all kinds of laws with their practices, esp intellectual prop theft

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 I agree. Part of why I bought the Mini was that it looks like the old Minis, and also the way way it drives. It didn’t buy it as an only, or primary car, like the person I know who bought a Bolt. Had it been an only car, I would have wanted more space.

    As far as Toyotas with the same footprint in 2010, that would have been a Yaris, which was cheaper, but yeah, didn’t have the look, and also didn’t drive nearly as well.

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30 The Dow went down over 600 points today. The markets react to Trump’s every stupid tweet storm. I’d think market stability might be a good thing. Now, Trump says he is going to make US companies leave China which, of course, he has no power to do. Then, today, Trump said that Xi Jinping is better for the US than the Fed chairman. Trump is getting more unhinged by the day.

    OK, sorry, I should avoid politics here.

  33. Bob Wilson Says:

    Does the Taycan come with a sheet music holder like regular Church organs? Seriously, “Klang und Wut bedeuten nichts.”

    The web link is about setting the 45 hour, EV Cannonball record East-to-West. This not something the Bolt is ever likely to compete. Perhaps an EV Corvette but not anytime soon.

  34. Larry D. Says:

    32 Markets should ignore Trump, the economy today is exactly the same as yesterday, but they are, as always, trying to predict the future, which is a fool’s errand. I just listened to the PBS News Hour for Fri Night on the web and I thought he said that the Fed guy is worse than the Chinese guy.

    I am not sure what Trump wants to do, have a second term, or has he satisfied his considerable ambition (almost as strong as Hillary’s) to become Prez, for which it is sufficient to just serve a day or two, or maybe a couple years like Gerald Ford did, who was not even elected, and not waste another four years getting grief from all sides but play golf and build more Trump towers, maybe even the one on Greenland.

  35. wmb Says:

    What I don’t get with the Taycan and Audi E-ton, is that the Taycan will have a driving range of 300 plus miles per charge. The E-Tron, a thinly veiled Taycan according to John and Sean, only has a max range of 200 miles! What gives?

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    35 The e-tron is an SUV, and the Taycan is a car. From what I can find, the Taycan is more than a foot lower, and 1000 pounds lighter. That could easily account for the range difference, if they have about the same size batteries.

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    34 Trump certainly appears to want another term, given all of the campaign rallies, and his doing everything he can to “shore up” the various parts of his base.

    Yeah, the markets should ignore him, but they don’t.

  38. Larry D. Says:

    37 If he wanted another term he should have never stirred the (correct) issue of Chinese Trade violations and he should have tried to preserve the fantastic US economy from the external dangers of Brexit, the horrible econ situation in France and esp. Italy, and the current slowdown of the EUs biggest economy, Germany.

  39. Kit Gerhart Says:

    38 The trade war with China is part of the appeal to his base, claiming that he will bring millions of high paying jobs to the US.

  40. joe Says:

    Tesla buying batteries from LG says a lot. It’s not that they don’t have enough rough in their 5 billion dollar factory. The LG battery formula must be superior over Tesla’s.

  41. Larry D. Says:

    40 lol
    Tell me just ONE time out of the 1,000s you have come here to badmouth the AWESOME Tesla, where you aknowledged even ONE of its Stellar Achievements, Tesla Hater Joe.

  42. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I thought Tesla’s Nevada plant made batteries. Does it only assemble modules and packs? The Reuters article said they had used only Panasonic batteries, so far.

  43. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I found that the Nevada gigafactory 1 makes cells, which are Panasonic cells, and Panasonic has a lot of investment in the factory.

  44. Larry D. Says:

    There was an article about Lexus discontinuing the base GS model, and it mentioned the GS-F with its 450+ HP etc. Looked it up at cars.com and found only 50 on sale in all of the US. And the lowest price was $43k for a 2016 w. 80k miles

    https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2019/08/less-than-wicked-lexus-gs-300-heads-behind-the-barn/#more-1686088

  45. Kit Gerhart Says:

    44 The GS-F is ~85K new, so $43K is about what I’d expect 3-4 year old one to go for, with fairly high miles. It’s not surprising that the GS doesn’t sell well. It costs almost as much as a 5 series or E-class, and except for reliability, probably both of the Germans are better cars. An AMG E53 base price is about ~12K lower than the GS-F. The GS has two more cylinders, but power is similar.

    The Lexus sedan that should go away is the IS, which gets universally bad reviews, but I find that it outsells the GS about 4 to 1, no doubt because of price.

  46. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action/?dealerType=all&mdId=36518738&mkId=20028&page=1&perPage=20&searchSource=SORT&sort=price-lowest&stkTypId=28881&zc=48105

    Used AMG E 53 seem far better bargains than the GS-F. There were only 22 on cars.com US-wide and the lowest price was %56,500 for a 2019 with… 600 miles, followed by a $60k 2019 with 3k miles. (base 4matics)

  47. Kit Gerhart Says:

    46. The AMG E 53 has only been around for 2018-2019 model years, so there wouldn’t be many of them used.

  48. Kit Gerhart Says:

    46, 47 I suspect part of why the GS-F might hold is value fairly well, it that it is very rare, in being a sedan with a naturally aspirated V8 and rear wheel drive. If you want something like that more “upscale” than a Charger or 300, the GS is about all there is. A 300 might be as good, though, except for maybe reliability, and for a lot less money.

    The E53 got a pretty good review from C & D with its new, turbo/SC inline six. The E53 has mandatory 4wd in the US, which I suppose most people want, or don’t mind having.

  49. Larry D. Says:

    48 When I bought my 740iL in 2005 I checked the prices of LS430s and other LS used and they were almost double for a comparable car, despite the far better handling and performance of the 7. Probably due to the perception of reliability. If on top of that the Fs are so rare, then they really will be no bargain.

    I was not even looking for a 7, I was looking for a used S (the giant 91-99 vintage) and the manual 540 v8 6 sp

  50. joe Says:

    To 41

    I don’t hate Tesla, but I do hate Elon Musk. Why? This is why.

    https://seekingalpha.com/instablog/1017993-bill-maurer/4998156-teslas-growing-failure-list-august-2019-update