AD #2681 – Porsche & Holoride Test VR Technology, Global Sales Beginning to Slow, FCA Hiring Gamers for Design

September 23rd, 2019 at 11:37am

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Runtime: 7:12

0:07 Hyundai And Aptiv Form AV Joint Venture
0:51 UAW Strike Continues into Second Week
1:42 Global Sales Beginning to Slow
2:54 Tata Motors Plans New EV
3:16 Arcimoto Gearing Up for EV Launch
3:52 Faraday Future Plans New Attack
4:59 Porsche & Holoride Test VR Technology
5:52 FCA Hiring Gamers for Design

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31 Comments to “AD #2681 – Porsche & Holoride Test VR Technology, Global Sales Beginning to Slow, FCA Hiring Gamers for Design”

  1. Danny Turnpaugh Says:

    What happened to the weekends racing results?

  2. Larry D. Says:

    Faraday’s Future is still bleak. And it ‘will’ not make 10,000 cars a year, it HOPES to make that number, if any.

    As for Tata’s EV, if it looks like that glorified bicycle the Arcimoto, it is DOA. Indian families need a 5-seater, not some toy.

  3. Lambo2015 Says:

    Holoride seems like it could be a very relaxing way to spend your time especially traveling through states like Nebraska. Hands down the worse state to drive through when I drove from East coast to West coast. However in many other states the scenery is worth watching. I suppose traveling at night it would give you something to look at but if your in an AV wouldn’t you just rather take a nap?

  4. Larry D. Says:

    That GM strike has some healthy side-effects, especially in reducing the humongous inventories (compared to the Efficient, Profitable Makers like Toyota, but even to that old wive’s tale of a 60 day inventory being…. ‘optimal’, parroted by auto journalists and ‘experts’ who sure have no clue what the word “optimal” means (it has a preciSe meaning in math, for one))

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    I like the TATA EV for a nice go to work vehicle. However at 20K still too expensive for what it is.

  6. MJB Says:

    I don’t think I’d feel safe at all going 75mph in that Arcimoto vehicle. Not on an open road, anyway. Looks like the only ‘crumple zones’ on that thing would be the bodies of the driver and passenger. Yikes!

  7. Larry D. Says:

    5, 6 The Arcimoto is NOT what the Tata EV will look like. John speculates it could be, but in the remote chance it does, it is DOA. India does not need toys, as I said, it needs affordable family EVs.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The Tata will probably be a Nano converted to battery electric.

  9. cwolf Says:

    I have no plans to buy an EV yet and certainly don’t think much of an electric pick-up.
    But the Merc. EQV mini-van sounds more realistic for hauling kids around town.
    Looks like a normal car dash, too; analog dials!

  10. Larry D. Says:

    Yesterday it was free parking at the public library and a ton of free books too, but some activists had taken over the ground parking and I had to drive below, where they got dozens of EV chargers. There were two magnificent looking (a black and a dark blue metallic) Tesla Ss, no Model 3s, one Bolt, one Volt, One Hyundai Sonata plug in (looked good in black) and an ugly Leaf.

    I went near the charger but there was no info about the price. I am pretty sure it should not be free, since even parking is not free on weekdays and Sat.

  11. Larry D. Says:

    The late David Davies, former racer and editor of various auto mags, said that one needs to own a V12 before one kicks the bucket.

    There are dirt-cheap (but ugly) BMW 750-760s from 2004-2008 and beyond, as well as various S class Mercs, S600, with the V12.

    As much as I appreciate Tesla’s offerings, I think my next US car should be a V12.

  12. Larry D. Says:

    11 Davis, not Davies. Davies was an alum of ours who then went to law school (and so did his daughter) and used to come back and give us seminars. From Ohio somewhere.

  13. David Sprowl Says:

    Sorry folks, but in my experience the use of temps is down right abusive. If a company can not run without them, then hire them before 9 months. there is no justification keeping someone working at severly lower wages for more than a year

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11 I remember the David E. Davis article. It must have been during his time with Car and Driver, which I have subscribed to off and on for about 40 years.

    They sold that BMW 8 series with a manual transmission, which would be really cool. With all of those cylinders, it would pull away smoothly in 4th or 5th gear from 800 rpms. That wouldn’t be particularly good for the engine, but it would really showcase the V12 engine. With today’s automatics, and better engines, it doesn’t matter much how many cylinders the engine has, except for exhaust note. The transmission largely masks actual engine characteristics, both with engines with few cylinders, and with diesels.

  15. cwolf Says:

    Around 1976 I bought a “74″ Jag E-type V-12 from my , now, father-in-law’s friend who had nothing but troubles with it. The dealer couldn’t keep the carbs synchronized and wasn’t well cared for as a result. I thought I could make a few bucks fixing and detailing it, plus have a little fun while I had it.
    It didn’t take much to make it look showroom new and my British car friends thought we had the carb problem resolved. It ran like a top, sounded sooo sweet and drove like a foreign car lovers dream… It lasted two weeks! So we rebuilt the carbs,…cheep enough, but still not perfect; your ears told you it wasn’t just right but better. I finally took it to Cleveland to a Jag guy familiar with the problem. All I know is that he tweaked everything, including polishing the carbs.
    The tone, the acceleration hit the mark and the engine purred like a kitten.
    I sold the car within the week to a fella in Toledo. I had a blast having this car for awhile and learned a lot but I sure invested a lot of time and money. I bet I didn’t make $1000.00 after all was said and done.
    I was just a kid in love with European cars. I’d do it again.
    What I learned was….never buy a V12!!!

  16. cwolf Says:

    sorry for the errors. You get the picture.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 A coworker had an XJ12. I don’t know the year, but it was new enough to have fuel injection, and was not reliable. I’ll probably never have a 12 cylinder car, but if I do, it will be a non-turbo BMW or Benz.

  18. cwolf Says:

    I was buying parts for my “69″ MGC at a dealer. I believe I was just starting to do all my maintenance work, so I may have been 17.
    A fella wanted to swap cars with me He had a “64″ Jag conv. and maybe a six cyl. Even I knew Jags were trouble at that age. I refused.
    If I were to make the swap, do you have any idea of what that car would be worth today?
    I also had an Austin Healy 3000 at the same time I had the “C.” The MG had too much sentimental value. I sold the Austin that I bought for $1800 for a small profit back to my friend who sold it to me. Do you know what that car is worth now?
    If we only knew!!!
    Never the less, the MG’s complete restoration prolly exceeds it’s worth, but I am content and my memories are priceless.

  19. MJB Says:

    @11. Yes, I have heard this said too – concerning owning/driving a V12.

    I actually like the Bangle Butt 7 series BMWs.

    But this is one V12 I’d LOVE to add to my stable (minus all the mechanical flaws that plagued it)!
    https://youtu.be/3xFbe9Y85pc

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 That’s one I’d like to have, with the manual gearbox, but I suspect they are not cheap. The Indianapolis BMW dealer had one on the showroom floor, a fantastic darkish blue. I don’t remember the price, but it was a lot, maybe near $80K in the ’90s.

  21. MJB Says:

    #19 Yeah, Kit, they’re not cheap. I just pulled one up on AutoTrader (gorgeous deep blue you mentioned) with 70k+ miles for $126k.

  22. Larry D. Says:

    14 The 850w the v12 had a manual? Possibly, but these cars are one generation before my 740, quite obsolete now, and despite all that, overpriced in the used market. Even the 2002-8 Bangled 7 is a bit too old now.

    How reliable these V12s are is another question. I saw a video of the Merc SL 600 1991-99, the owner was touring the French Riviera with it and claimed the engine was very reliable. Don’t know if later Mercs, which I could consider, have as reliable V12s.

    15 Any jag, V12 or V6, would have troubles. I had a student from an old southern family, I believe from CHarleston, his family has been in the re-insurance business, who drove an XJ-S V12, stylish grand touring thing. Don’t remember if he told me of its troubles, but he was more worried about surviving his courses, he was doing terribly. (no background)

    19 If you don’t mind the styling, you can buy a 2002-8 750-760 V12 for less than $12k.

    My former classmate and later colleague Pete M. ex Navy etc, had a white MGC probably bought new as a student, but he could work on it and his other cars. Also had a Buick Skylark from the 70s or late 60s, 2 door coupe, and later a 735 ’89 he still had in 2014, and recently a cheapo Maserati Ghibli (the 5 series equivalent you can buy for $60k), good luck with that! He told me he bought it because it has a “ferrari engine” (actually 3/4ths of one)

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 Yes, the 90s 850xx had a manual available. I saw one new on the showroom floor, but I don’t know what year. They look good, at least to me, and are rare, especially with the manual.

    Those V12s should be reliable, unless they really messed up on something like cooling or oiling. They are mildly tuned, making less power than some of today’s turbo fours.

    If you just want a V12 automatic, the 7 and S would be the way to go, and for a W12, there is the VW Phaeton and, I think, some Audi A8s.

  24. Larry D. Says:

    23 There are also the exotics, some Ferraris w the V12 are not more expensive than the more popular entry level V8s. the 550 Maranello etc, those are also a bit long in the tooth, but the main problem is I don’t trust them to drive cross country and need a Ferrari expert mechanic even for around town. The very nice 90s 355 V8 could be had with low miles for about $40-50k but maintenance and repairs should be a female canine.

  25. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2019/09/buy-drive-burn-60000-luxury-sedans-in-2020/#more-1689854

    3 ways to burn $60k or more. The unacceptable choices of the now cancelled so-called “Continental” (little resemblance with past ones), a thinly disguised Ford clone, and the 2 liter turbocharged AND supercharged (and good luck with that!) wunderkind from Chinese Volvo Geely for $64k (plugin hybrid version), and the only acceptable choice, the Caddy CT6 (have they cancelled that one too?), who wisely dropped the pathetic 2 liter version and now all CT6s have at least 6 cylinders. If it had RWD instead of AWD, it would get many more points in my book, but unfortunately it has the curse of the AWD.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25 I agree. Why mandatory AWD on the CT6? I don’t get it, except that they have one fewer powertrains to certify.

  27. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action/?cylCntId=28111&dealerType=all&mdId=20532,20539,35346517,20534,20536,20538,20625,56187,49923,35923,36294682&mkId=20005&page=1&perPage=20&prMx=25000&rd=99999&searchSource=SORT&sort=distance-nearest&yrId=20142,20198,20143,20199,20144,20200,20145,20201,27381,34923,39723,47272,51683,56007&zc=48105

    US-wide in cars.com I found 14 V12 BMW 7series on sale for less than $25k. Some are after 2009 (new model that year), look a bit better than the 2002-8 ones, plus are more up to date and more powerful. The V12 in the 1995-01s only made 322 HP, the next gen about 440 and the 09- must have been much more than that, since even the base 4.4 turbo v8 made 400.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27 The 2009 and later V8 and V12 7 series are twin turbos. I don’t think I’d want that.

  29. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/785036475/overview/

    $7,500 may get you that Elio Tricycle, but here it gets you (asking price, may go down!) a 2003 V12 BMW 760 Li that looks brilliant in black.

  30. Larry D. Says:

    28 It turned out that only one of the 14 is 2009 or later. I looked only for V12s after 2001.

  31. DanaPointJohn Says:

    Please oh please, don’t give Faraday Future any further promotion. Let’s see the factory in California actually up and running, and some cars come off an assembly line first.