AD #2684 – No More Frankfurt Auto Show? Ford Using Robots to Sand Car Bodies, GM Puts Alexa in Its Vehicles

September 26th, 2019 at 11:39am

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Runtime: 6:31

0:07 Tesla “Killer” Getting Killed
0:50 No More Frankfurt Auto Show?
2:33 Ford Using Robots to Sand Car Bodies
3:18 GM Puts Alexa in Its Vehicles
4:01 September Sales Forecast to be Down
4:44 UAW Strike Affected by Corruption Scandal

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36 Comments to “AD #2684 – No More Frankfurt Auto Show? Ford Using Robots to Sand Car Bodies, GM Puts Alexa in Its Vehicles”

  1. Larry D. Says:


    Come on, guys, don’t say it like that, “Joe” will have a stoke and fall off his buggy!

  2. Larry D. Says:

    1 meant a stroke.

    Re auto shows, they sure offer too little as they were, one can do much better at the dealership and get to test drive the vehicles too.

  3. Larry D. Says:

    Re “alexa”, I remember Octogenarian Alex Trebek in “Jeopardy!” (I bet he got paid a pretty penny for that too) showed off “alexa” for a day or two, but to me it looked totally stupid, it was some kind of disc who displayed no sign of any intelligence, and whatever it did anything else could have done. Don’t remember the details now.

  4. Bob White Says:

    Everything is increasingly corrupt in the US and the government is leading the way.

  5. Bob Wilson Says:

    It would help if someone could list the NIO specs compared to the Tesla. Forget the price because a car too cheap is a waste of even that money.

  6. Larry D. Says:

    5 Nobody who had clue one would ever believe that this outfit nobody ever heard of would ‘kill’ the only SUCCESSFUL BEV maker.

    Absolutely Laughable.

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Speaking of Tesla Killers, CR just tested an Audi e-tron, and they rated it higher than the Tesla X or Jaguar I-Pace. The things they liked about the e-tron over the others seemed to be ride, rear seat comfort, quietness, and controls. The Tesla, and 100D had the most range, but the Jaguar was quickest, though there would be other versions of the X that would be much quicker than the other two.

  8. Larry D. Says:

    7 The S and the X are insignificant compared to the Mass market model 3. The S is my favorite, by far, Tesla model, but after a stellar trajectory the last 8 years, it now given the baton to the Model 3.

    Nobody will ever Kill Tesla if they cannot compete vs the mass market model 3.

  9. Lambo2015 Says:

    All these EV start ups are about to realize a blip in sales. Soon as the small percentage of people that want EVs get them the sales will fall like a rock. JMO.

    Autoshows are struggling to keep up with the times and the days of an extravagant show where new models debuted, concept cars were revealed was enough to draw a crowd is gone. Everything is leaked on the internet and the glamor that once was is gone. Turning it into more of a car show and music festival might help. Inviting aftermarket suppliers and custom build shops like at SEMA would also help.

    Just heard about Alexa offering Samuel Jackson on the radio this morning. I guess their will be two versions with his voice. One explicit in case you don’t get enough MF’s included in your directions.

    Once the strike is over it would be good to see a huge house cleaning within the UAW higher ups. What the UAW should really be doing is asking for a reduction in their union dues since the union obviously has more then enough to afford the corruption that was going on.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 One of my doctors has a blue Model S, which looks great. I haven’t had a chance to talk to him about it much, but I suspect he charges it at home, and has never used it for a long “road trip.”

    The Model Y should sell very well, and would appeal to me, if, as we all know, I had a place to charge at my condo. It should sacrifice very little in range compared to the 3, but will have hatchback utility.

    The e-tron and I-Pace are less expensive than a Model X, but much more expensive than a “base” Model 3. The as-tested price of CR’s e-tron was $80,450.

  11. cwolf Says:

    Yep, auto shows are boring. Regardless of brand, models all look and function much the same. Like Larry said, better to go looking at the dealer lots. The salesman may be obnoxious, but it costs nothing.
    If Alexa were in my car I’d do the same as I do with the one in my home; Disconnect it when not in use. We left it on one evening not long ago, then all of a sudden my brother-in-law’s voice was heard coming from the speaker; “hey having dinner at mom’s sounds great!”
    This ended our want of Alexa.
    Having “open” negotiations with other Locals present sounds like it’s a step in the right direction. Gotta start somewhere! I read corporate salaries are also being discussed.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11 Auto shows were really big in the 1950s and 1960s, when domestic cars had most of the U.S. market, and they all looked different with each model year. While I can tell the year of every Chevy or Plymouth, and most Fords from 1955 to 1966 or so, I don’t even know the different generations of Camrys, and I own a Camry.

    In Indiana, I like looking at cars on the lot on Sundays. The state still had “blue laws” not allowing sale of cars on Sunday, so you can walk around and look, without being bothered by sales people.

  13. Larry D. Says:

    10 The model Y is sold as a crossover but it looks like a taller Model 3.

    The Model 3 sells 10 times what the X or the S sells and 20 times the Bolt, first because it’s much more affordable, for less than $40k, but also because it costs almost the same its rival gas 3-series costs, and not double.

  14. Larry D. Says:

    10 That metallic blue (not as dark as Navy blue but not light either) looks good on Model 3s and Ss.

    What is the ICE Audi which is closest to the e-tron in specs? I bet it sells for less than $50-60k.

  15. cwolf Says:

    I have one too many cars and need the suv to haul things. But when I become confined to town driving when I’m older, I would consider a model Y. Can’t believe what I just said!; Don’t crap your pants Larry.

  16. Larry D. Says:

    14 I did a quick check on the web, there was a Car and Driver review of the e-tron that said it is between a Q5 and a Q7, then I went to the bigger Q7 and it starts at $53,550

    so the e-tron is smaller than the Q7 and costs $23,000 more?

    Seems it sure has the ‘curse of the BEV’s’ which is they are priced 50-100% higher than their ICE equals (and in this case, betters).

    How many e-trons will Audi sell at $80k, good CR review and all? 500 a month, vs the 10,000 and 20,000 Model 3s?

  17. Larry D. Says:

    15 You have to wait until I’m 98 for that.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 From CR’s charts, the e-tron is closer to the Q5 in cabin space, both for people and cargo, but yeah, it’s about midway between the Q5 and Q7 in length. The Q7 is 3 row.

    CR found the e-tron quieter and more comfortable than the Q5, though. The Q5 starts at ~$43K, but probably a typical one would be ~50K.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 “How many e-trons will Audi sell at $80k, good CR review and all? 500 a month, vs the 10,000 and 20,000 Model 3s?”

    Up to 856/month, so far, but falling….

  20. Lambo2015 Says:

    19 Pretty typical of almost all the EVs they have their best sales the first year and then taper off. There is a reason for that!

  21. merv Says:

    I used to go to the auto shows up and down the west coast. Went faithfully for maybe 30 years. Haven’t been to any the last 4 or 5 years. They changed so much I lost interest.

  22. Lambo2015 Says:

    21 Autoshows or car shows? Because I believe car shows still have a good following and interest. Its the autoshows that are to promote new model vehicles that are struggling.
    I do wonder if the autoshows struggle mostly due to the internet and availability of new release news, or are vehicles in general just become kind of all the same design and its difficult to stand out. Or is it because the younger generation looks at vehicles differently like a burdensome necessity like an appliance?
    When I attend a car show I am amazed at the designs from the 30s to the 70s. Those 50 years were amazing in design and creativity. Also how much vehicles changed in those 50 years. But when looking at a car from 1980s to today the design is not near as much of a dramatic change. You park a 1980s caravan next to todays Pacifica and they are a little rounder and more refined but same basic shape. Now that everything is switching to a CUV/crossover design they look even more alike. Removing all emblems, grills and lights many people would be hard pressed to determine who the maker is of any of the SUV/CUVs are. I have to agree that when it comes to design, vehicles are boring anymore and I’m a car guy. I would much rather attend SEMA than any autoshow. In fact Id attend a carshow before any autoshow. And most carshows are free to spectators.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Where I am, both in Florida and Indiana, the collector car shows have a very good following, both with people showing their cars, and spectators. I enjoy going as a spectator. They thing I don’t like, is that nearly everything older than the early ’60s has a Chevy 350 or equivalent. I like to see, and hear old engines in old cars.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 Your comparison of the “sameness” of shape of an 80s Caravan and today’s Pacifica is a good one. The Pacifica is scaled up about 15% from my ’89 though.

    I was thinking about putting “Bonneville style” wheel covers on my Camry as a cheap way to make it look different, but the common ones are only available from 13-15 inch, and I have 16 inch wheels.

  25. Marshall Says:

    There had been talk a couple years back about moving the Detroit Auto Show to convention center. Wish it had happened. Always wanted to go to the auto show and would have gone every year, had it not been held in downtown Detroit.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25 I went to the Detroit show once, several years ago, and to me, the venue was fine, but the weather was not.

  27. cwolf Says:

    Collector car shows of all sorts are held annually in all states. What ever your interest, there is one near you, plus there are many vendors selling hard to find parts.
    The best part of attending shows displaying cars like you own is the instant friendship, bonds and stories that are shared. These venues are the perfect place if you are into networking.

  28. ClassicBob Says:

    How can any monthly industry sales forecast or report be accurate, when GM, Ford and FCA are now only reporting quarterly?

    Regarding autoshows, i’ve often thought (as others have), if automakers showcased more iconic “heritage collection” models it would help draw a larger audience to the shows. Hey, it might even help a few wandering brand and product developers find clearer direction.

    And on the note of direction, even concept cars seem to be going the way of the dodo bird, especially at FCA -which hasn’t shown anything truly noteworthy since the Fiat takeover…

  29. Larry D. Says:

    Classic car shows is something different, I’d go there instead, if they focus on my interests (European cars, also US from the 30s). Do they charge entrance at these classic shows, and is it reasonable?

    28 Forecasts were always inaccurate, regardless if they reported every 10 days (before the 90s!), every month, or now every 3 months.

    In October they will have to cough up the real numbers for Q3.

  30. Lambo2015 Says:

    28 The numbers for how many cars are built each month is available due to the manufacturers distribute requirements to all their suppliers. Everyone that supplies to the assembly plant gets a daily forecast so everyone knows how many cars are being built each month and if the days on hand of inventory doesn’t change you can get a pretty good idea how many were sold. Even if the days of inventory does change the monthly sales can be determined fairly accurately. I’m not sure where folks like Wards get their numbers but I would assume that simple calculation provides a pretty good insight.

  31. Larry D. Says:

    After 29 I tried to post another , 4 times, and I could not

  32. Larry D. Says:

    It failed again. I will have to write it again, I cannot paste the saved text.

  33. Lambo2015 Says:

    31 You reached your daily post limit.. lol

  34. Larry D. Says:

    33 as u can c, i can post infinite number of posts if I write them, but I could not post that copy and paste thing. Even our IT guy who came buy to give me a package, and I asked him, and suggested I use Notepad, even that did not work.

  35. Larry D. Says:

    part of the post had some data re your complaint that healthy food is expensive. Yesterday afternoon I went to an ALDI store 10 miles away (my store is being closed for renovation) and I thoroughly enjoyed both the drive on cruise at 75-85 and the prices at the store.

    Here are some examples

    0% fat milk, one gallon, $1.32. These are 70s prices!

    Large eggs, dozen, $0.58. Eggs are a fantastic food, while they have high cholesterol, they do NOT raise YOUR chol. They have been maligned by idiot nutritionists and doctors for decades.

    Cereal, only 1 out of 100 is healthy (no salt, no sugar), Wheat squares, 18 oz, $1.39

    Apples, while Michigan has its own huge production, prices have been very high recently. Not at ALDI, where I got three 3-lb bags for $1.29 per 3 lbs, or $0.43/lb!

    Red Grapes, 88 cents/lb. Many stores also have them at 99.

    And I could go on and on.

    So healthy food is NOT always expensive.

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    34 Interesting. I can copy and post here from almost anything, like outlook mail, yahoo mail, or textedit, using a Mac, with either safari or chrome. Also, I can easily copy and paste links using my android phone.