AD #2708 – Ford & UAW Reach Tentative Deal, Daimler Offers Pay As You Go Leasing, Baojun Launches Stylish Crossover

October 31st, 2019 at 11:46am

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Runtime: 8:17

0:08 Ford & UAW Reach Tentative Deal
0:56 FCA Earnings Show Why It Wants a Merger
1:57 Peugeot Once Bought Chrysler Europe
2:53 Commercial Truck Sales Declining
3:50 Daimler Trucks Offers Pay-As-You-Go Leasing
4:32 Aptiv Earnings Grow in Slumping China
5:21 GM Gives Mark Reuss More Responsibility
5:56 Baojun Launches Stylish Crossover
6:33 New Porsche 911 Finally Gets a Manual

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39 Comments to “AD #2708 – Ford & UAW Reach Tentative Deal, Daimler Offers Pay As You Go Leasing, Baojun Launches Stylish Crossover”

  1. Autoline Staff Says:

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  2. Drew Says:


  3. Barry T Says:

    Big News day! I found it interesting to know that PSA is owned in significant part by Dongfeng. The puzzle of all the different ownerships and past acquisitions combined in this merger is very complex!

    I appreciate the goal of improving the tone of the comments here, it’s been very dissipating for the last while and I’m hopeful it will turn much better!

  4. Larry D. Says:

    1 Good idea!

  5. Larry D. Says:

    I remember those Simcas in the old country back in the 60s-80s. A close friend would give me rides in their 3-door hatch to go hiking with him, and another family friend, an Army officer, had a sedan (I believe it was a white Simca 1500) which was quite dirty outside, but he told me he only cared about the engine being clean.

  6. Larry D. Says:

    Commercial Trucks in the US NEED to decline big time and free the freeways from all the painfully slow traffic, and you don’t need an econ slowdown to achieve that, but a rational and much greater utilization of Freight trains.

    I remember those AV trucks traveling 4 or 5 one just behind the other and claiming they get better MPG. Of course they do, but they would get a whole lot better if they switched to freight trains, esp for cross-country transport of low-value cargo, when it is really inexcusable to use the stupid trucks.

    And this would also help with the alleged truck driver shortage.

  7. Buzzerd Says:

    Ford and UAW- I mentioned cost/benefit in regards to the GM/UAW. This may be part of the benefit. GM/UAW sets the bar and hopefully the others follow.
    Reuss- WOW! seems like a lot to oversee. I’m thinking he does’t take long summer vacations….. or even short ones.

  8. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I think GM did the legwork and Ford saw that, so no need to grind it out for more. Plus why stop work (like GM had to do) and loose wages and production. I still think that GM gave too much but I think it sure helped Ford make a quick decision.

    Anybody seen the Mustang E over at Autoweek; I think Ford made a mistake by attaching “Mustang” to an SUV; I believe it will dilute the Mustang image (of itself).

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I was in the navy in Scotland during the Chrysler ownership of Rootes Group. The Hillman Avenger, called Plymouth Cricket in the US, had recently hit the market, and got fairly good reviews in the UK. In the US, it didn’t do very well. Captive imports never did too well, and I suspect the Cricket was one of the least reliable cars sold in the US.

    About 10 years ago, I rented a Citroen C4 in Luxembourg. It was a small, by US standards, 5-door hatch, with a diesel and 5-speed manual. Being a Citroen, it had kind of quirky, but functional instrumentation, with frosted plastic behind the speedometer needle, that was lit from behind by ambient light in the daytime. It drove decently, and the fuel economy calculated out to near 50 mpg for the ~500 miles I drove it. From what I saw at the time, if this merger goes through, it might help Fiat if they would drop most of what they have now have in Europe, and sell badge engineered Peugeots and Citroens as Fiats.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 Ford is probably wanting to find excuses to kill off the Mustang, so the company will be 100% trucks in the US. They have tried to call their exceptionally ugly Lincoln MKT crossover a “Town Car,” and now, they seem to want to call some kind of lifted wagon a Mustang.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    GM needs to keep Reuss busy, so he won’t have free time to embarrassingly crash Corvette pace cars at races.

  12. Kevin A Says:

    The styling of the new Baojun looks very Hyundai like to me. More copying or are all SUVs looking the same?

  13. JWH Says:

    Agree with comments regarding Ford trying to use brand extension of the Mustang name. IMHO after 55 or so years, Mustang name should remain attached to a 2 door sporty vehicle.

    #11 – When Mark Reuss did embarrass himself last year, it was interesting that based on what I’ve read, Mr Reuss is an accomplished driver, & has taken (& passed) a number of performance driving classes.

    Sean – In the past the market analysts always used to say that passenger vehicle sales would follow commercial (especially Class 6, 7, & 8) sales. May not be good news for the near future for passenger vehicles.

  14. cwolf Says:

    Something possible for EV charging (interesting)

  15. Larry D. Says:

    10 We have more Lincoln’s around here than one would predict from their meager US-wide sales. One wagonish Lincoln usually parks right behind me, have not sat inside but the exterior styling is quite good, except for the god-awful baleen whale grille (they call it “waterfall”).

    I think this is not only because of our proximity to Dearborn but also due to the Ford discount our employees get.

    I did sit in a Navigator owned by the shuttle service I used to go to the airport, and its interior was really low-rent.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13 Yeah, I’d also heard that Reuss was an accomplished driver. He was probably unlucky, but I heard that he had turned off the traction control, maybe not a good idea, unless he had done significant practice driving with it turned off.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 I rode in a Navigator a few years ago, and nothing about it was impressive. The most obvious thing was that it was not very quiet. It probably would have been about two generations older than the current one, which is probably more “luxurious.” Still, it is a trucky, lifted wagon, based on the Expedition, so I’d be surprised if the ride, handling, or maybe even quietness is all that good.

  18. Albemarle Says:

    I hope that the FCA dealers get some access to Peugeot cars. Given the low demand for cars in North America, one of PSA’s brands would be enough.
    Since cars are still popular in Europe, the manufacturers put more effort and design into them; a far cry from the car efforts FCA make.

  19. Albemarle Says:

    On the other hand, although the product mix will be good the FCA PSA merger will be a big stew of culture clash. Interesting to watch.

  20. Larry D. Says:

    18 Peugeots were sold in the US for a few years, took some losses and quit. They did look distinctive but they were largely overpriced.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 Until and unless the US market changes dramatically, I don’t see them selling any PSA products in the US. They have some good products, especially the smaller cars, of the type that sell in very small numbers in the US, like Ford Fiesta class. We shall see.

  22. Drew Says:

    @15 & 17 – Which vintage Navigator? The newer one has been critically praised. The older one was long in the tooth (12 years overdue).

    Also, the baleen grilles are gone. The migration away from them started 2.5 years ago with the MKZ, followed by the Continental, Nautilus, Navigator, Aviator, and Corsair.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 I think Peugeot left the US market in about 1991. I drove a 505 wagon at a dealer, probably in around 1988. It was roomy, attractive, to me, and rode well, but was slow, with a non-turbo ~2 liter engine, and was thirsty, for the power it had. It was rear drive.

    I think the last cars Peugeot sold in the US were front drive 405s, but they may have sold the 505 to the end. An Indianapolis Cadillac dealer sold Peugeot.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 I don’t know which generation, but it was years ago, mid-2000s, so yeah, I’m sure the new one is much nicer.

  25. Larry D. Says:

    22 I sure don’t know the exact year, as I would not be caught dead driving such a breadvan on stilts, but it must have been a pre-2014 Nav.

    I am aware that the baleen whale front gave place to a grille aping a Bentley in most Lincolns, and that the interior of current Navs is better, but also that it costs $110k, which is flagship territory where the standards are really high. I sure would not listen to any critics but test drive it to see if it is not a Hippopotamus on wheels any more (which I doubt it isn’t).

    In fairness, the same shuttle co owned a worn out Escalade which also had a poor interior, broken leather, no wood veneer to speak of, etc, and a (at that time) recent vintage TOwn Car, whose back seat is a poor uncomfortable Bench (it should be two thrones instead, like in my 7 or in an S or an A8), but its front passenger seat was excellent comfort-wise.

  26. Larry D. Says:

    Now watching AAH. Nice costume.. and the prize goes to Michelle, dressed as.. Hillary (could not resist)

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    FWIW, CR’s favorite big, expensive CUV/SUV, by a wide margin, is the BMW X7. The Escalade and Navigator have a little more tow rating, though, for the few who need it. Also, the Nav and Esc had more cargo space, most important with the 3rd seat in use.

  28. merv Says:

    loved the spider web,but the hair was even better. great show,as always

  29. Larry D. Says:

    27 Doug de Muro of the videos also pronounced the X7 “the best” for his own reasons. For towing and passenger/cargo space, get a Suburban and save $60k (or did they stop calling it that and replaced the name with “Denali” “Tahoe XLL” or whatever?

    The ‘big’ merc SUV the GL (now GLS) is not that big inside, it looks much lower than the tall Lexus LX470 or LX560 I lost count. BTW a good Lexus deal is that LX because it is only $1,500 more expensive than the Landcruiser, and it has to have more than $1,500 in interior luxury over the LC

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 The long version of the Chevy is still Suburban. If you buy new, the “Base” price of the Suburban is only about $20K less than the X7. From what I read, Suburbans depreciate quickly, so anyone who wants one should be able to get a good deal on a used one in good condition.

    CR hasn’t tested the current version of the GLE, so I don’t know how they’d rate that one. The Land Cruiser base price is $86K. Yikes.

  31. Larry D. Says:

    “Nov. 4th is a date to set aside on your calendar. You’ll probably want to plunk yourself down in front of a live-streamed broadcast showing the start of Volkswagen ID. 3 production at the automaker’s Zwickau, Germany assembly plant. Chancellor Angela Merkel will be on hand, if that spices things up.”


  32. Larry D. Says:

    30 the GLE is the old ML midsize two row SUV. The GLS is the biggest from M-B and has 3 rows.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30 I meant CR hasn’t tested the current version of the GLS, not GLE. They’ve tested the GLE, and rated it well below the X5, Q7, and even the Nautilus. I think the GLE is about due for a makeover, though.

  34. Bobby T Says:

    IMO, Lincoln has always struggled with design continuity. You could always identify a Cadillac or Packard by its grille and several other hallmarks. The Baleen Whale grille was an ill fated attempt to recall the pre war zephyr/Continental grille.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    34 Lincoln apparently has some nice interiors in their Ford clones, which is probably what Americans want, more than sporty driving, which Cadillac has gone for with their sedans. As far as Lincoln front ends, I kind of liked the 2013 MKZ, after I got used to it. The newer ones are kind of Kia clones, ok, but certainly not distinctive.

  36. Larry D. Says:

    When I went back to the lot yesterday, I saw a large black Tesla parked right next to me. It looked a bit smaller than my E, though, so I went up front to make sure, and even though I thought it was a Model S, it was actually a Model 3.

    Very substantial car, and looked good in black and chrome, even the front.

    This is the second time I confuse a 3 with an S, but this time I was within inches of the car!

    This goes to Gary’s comments on AAH, that if Tesla made some piece of Corrugated Metal or sth and labeled it Tesla, everybody would buy it because of its name. John and the others, correctly, corrected him that all Tesla cars so far are substantial and far superior to their competition.

    For somebody pretending to be “Dr. Data”, his opinion sure was not based on any of them.

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Tesla needs to offer a few options on the Model 3, like a wiper switch and AM radio, but I guess most potential buyers will overlook the lack of those things, and the generally distracting control of everything through the tablet in the middle.

    36 The model 3 is, in fact, very similar in size to your Benz. The 3 is 5 inches shorter, but an inch wider.

  38. Larry D. Says:

    half a foot shorter is not the same size. The Model 3 is 3 series or C class sized. But it looks more substantial than the 3 Series. (at least it did in black and next to my car)

  39. Kit Gerhart Says:

    To me, a difference in length of 5 inches betwewn 185 and 190 is about the same size.

    The current C and E have grown, at least on the outside, with the C being the same length as the Model 3, and the E about 10 inches longer.