AD #2720 – The Story Behind the Mustang Mach-E, VW Cuts Cost of EV Production, Acura MDX Limited Hand-Built Models

November 18th, 2019 at 11:56am

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Runtime: 9:25

0:07 Volkswagen Cuts Sales Growth For 2020
0:30 VW Cuts Cost of EV Production
1:16 BMW Reveals i4 Details
2:00 Audi Names New CEO
2:46 UAW Ratifies New Ford Contract
3:28 Virtual Vehicle Tear Down
5:20 Acura MDX Gets Limited Hand-Built Models
6:16 How Ford Developed the Mustang Mach-E
8:26 Mustang Mach-E Performance Details

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49 Comments to “AD #2720 – The Story Behind the Mustang Mach-E, VW Cuts Cost of EV Production, Acura MDX Limited Hand-Built Models”

  1. WineGeek Says:

    Hey Sean you forgot one thing about the Mach-E THE PRICE! How much is it?

  2. DENIS TOMASSI Says:

    Should have called it Bronco Mach-E…not Mustang. We know what happened when Ford tried to make the Mustang into a FWD car and ended up calling it the Probe. Does this vehicle qualify for the $7500 tax rebate considering it is made in Mexico?

  3. Kit Gerhart Says:

    1 About $44K-60K

    https://autoweek.com/article/green-cars/heres-2021-mustang-mach-e-leaked-reservation-site

  4. Buzzerd Says:

    Mach E – mock ups with cardboard and paper and coffee pods ?? I thought that’s why we had 3D printers now?
    Mach E looks great and is the type of vehicle I’ve thought Cadillac should have had, electric or ICE, for years now.

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    2 It qualifies for the tax credit, as do the ipace, e-tron, etc. from Europe.

  6. Sean McElroy Says:

    @WineGeek – We’ve seen starting prices will range from about $44,000 up to over $60,000, before extras and incentives.

  7. wmb Says:

    I like most of the styling of the Machine E (IMHO, it should just be named Mach E;for it appears that other news outlets are saying that it’s name is the Mustang Mach E), but the blue one at the end of this segment had a different “grill” and front skirt. That version looked incredible!!! Was that the the high output version, the GT version or just another exterior appearance package? Being based around the Mustang and the wide assortment of appearance packages that it has, could certainly work for this EV with the ‘Stung serving as its inspiration! That in and of itself could/would separate it from its rivals, should this vehicle turn into the sales success that Ford hopes it does. From the looks of it, at least on the surface, it might just.

  8. Lambo2015 Says:

    Mach-E looks good enough, although I still haven’t gotten used to vehicles without a grille. That still looks a bit funky with an outline design where the grille would be, then just filled with a solid panel. They need to design it more like GM’s EV1 or even the 1982 Taurus design which had an opening around the oval Ford emblem. I just don’t get the flat nose look. On the interior I have to say I’m a bit disappointed that it looks like a blatant copy of a Tesla interior. The screen still looks like a tablet attached to the dash and not sure why its so difficult to make them look like part of the design.

  9. GM Veteran Says:

    I agree Lambo, the screen looks like a last-minute add on and something that would get in the way at times. Ram was able to integrate a large screen into its dash, why can’t the car companies do a better job with this? They didn’t even try to put the lower half of it into the dash. And, since the dash behind it isn’t being used for anything, I don’t get the “tacked on” look that several automakers have adopted. It makes it look like my old Garmin nav unit did. An afterthought.

  10. Buzzerd Says:

    I also agree about the screen, looks kind of dumb- totally stuck on. It almost looks like they mocked it up with a piece of cardboard, taped it to the dash and called it a day. Done and done. Oh wait, apparently that’s exactly what they did.

  11. MJB Says:

    The Mach-E is handsome. I really like how Ford’s designers incorporated the Mustang personality into the rear end.

  12. Drew Says:

    From perusing the Ford website, the Mach-E GT model has a brushed metal-looking face that emulates a grille. But the car is a no-go for me as the only seat material is vinyl, “ActiveX” in Ford Marketing lingo.

    Speaking of Ford Marketing, the car is DOA if the Ford website is any indication of the the Marketing effort. The embedded videos make every amateur YouTube video look like a Cecil B. DeMille classic in comparison.

  13. Brett Cammack Says:

    Interesting how they formed (and painted) the roof/C pillar area. It gives a sleeker look while retaining a bit more headroom for the back seat passenger.

  14. MJB Says:

    #7,8,9 True, about the screen. But I, for one, like the functionality of the volume knob.

    Hopefully that screen does get a bit better integrated into the dash before it hits production though. Looks really easy to knock loose by mistake. i.e., kid climbing from front seat to rear and clipping edge of the screen with his shoe…

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Except for lack of chargers, and the stupid name, this “mustang” could be the first real competitor Tesla has seen.

  16. ChuckGrenci Says:

    The Mach E should be a contender but it really doesn’t move the bar; it solidly matches most of the competition (perhaps offering a cost advantage) but when all the boxes are marked and the competition is challenged the price is fairly close. It is definitely an alternative though.

  17. Lambo2015 Says:

    14 Well Ford certainly have a few things going for them that could be considered cons against the Tesla. A nationwide dealership network, Being sold in all 50 states and Ford has a long established parts network that insures components are available at the time of production. If the performance, quality and price are on par with the Tesla then it could do very well. Like MJB said I like the back end much better than the front but the overall design is as attractive as the Tesla.

  18. Drew Says:

    @17 – If the quality matches the Tesla, it’s dead. It needs to be flawless.

  19. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    7) From what I understand reading several stories from around the internet, the blue one is the special launch edition variant. I could be wrong though

  20. Bob Wilson Says:

    Tesla CEO Elon Musk tweeted his congratulations to Ford, saying the move would “encourage other carmakers to go electric too.”

    Looks like 2020 us going to be a fun year in the EV market.

  21. John McElroy Says:

    #2. All EVs sold in the US market qualify for the tax credit regardless of where they’re made–until they hit the 200,000 cap.

  22. merv Says:

    that mustang e is gorgeous,i hope it is a huge home run for Ford

  23. Joe G Says:

    I was initially very angry at Ford for using the Mustang name (I own four Mustangs) but I have to say they did a nice job. I especially like the Grabber Blue GT (459HP and 600 TQ, wow) and I can get through the snow with it (AWD).

  24. Taylor John Says:

    How does that thing resembe a Mustang? Other than the tail lights it looks like just another box.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 With the boxes checked, the Ford will cost as much as the i-pace, and may, or may not be a better vehicle The version of the Ford that might appeal to me, if I had a place to charge it, would be the basic rear drive version, for about $37.5K after tax credit. I would get most of it, now that I’m withdrawing from my 401k.

    Speaking of i-pace, maybe they should have called it E-Type. That name has a legacy with the company.

  26. Roger Blose Says:

    The Mustang Mach E will be fun to watch. Marketing fiasco with the name making current Mustang owners mad, made in Mexico, all new design, chassis, electronics, and the best part being the short 1-2 years in development using cardboard and coffee cans. And if the vehicle fails it will tarnish the iconic Mustang brand big time. Hackett will be gone by then.

  27. Larry D. Says:

    11 Seriously? from the side, it looks just like the TESLAS it APES. Then they sprinkle the “mustang” name where it sure does not belong, and pray. This is the most you can expect from the likes of Jim Farley and Humpty Dumpty Hackett.

    Yet they get the $7,500 utterly undeserved break awarded only to the LOSERS and NOT to the SUCCESFUL EV sellers, and so are Audi and Jag and all the other Tesla Wannabes,

    And to top it all, Tesla is not even allowed to compete with them and is forbidden to sell any of their successful and great vehicles in MY State, directly to me.

    That is fairness for you.

    PS it will still fail. Second best will not cut it here.

  28. Larry D. Says:

    15 that’s because it shamelessly apes Tesla models, has their proportions to the t, it AND see all the undeserved breaks it gets above, that the SUCCESSFUL BEV sellers do not get. (see 26)

  29. Larry D. Says:

    22 HAHAHAHA Gorgeous? It has a blank face only its mother would love. Plus the painted-on horse is the peak of cheapness and bad taste.

  30. Larry D. Says:

    20 Not my idea of fun and fair play, when the WINNERS and SUCCESSFUL makers are not even ALLOWED to sell their car in my state and 26 other states, while the losers are given a $7,500 from the POOR taxpayers to the more affluent.

    Sounds downright stupid planning to me, but this is Congress for you, they were never noted for their intelligence, only for their corruption.

  31. Larry D. Says:

    24 This could be very confusing. If Jag is serious about BEVs, and any other established ICE maker, they should have a totally separate clean green DIVISION for them, and name it appropriately. Will not be easy.

  32. Larry D. Says:

    25 The clueless amateur Hackett had 100 reasons to be gone even before he started this silly project, aided by genius no 2, Jim Farley.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30,24 I wasn’t serious about calling i-pace E-type. That would piss off Jaguar collectors, even more than Ford’s calling their electric tall hatch Mustang, POs Mustang fans.

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30 Maybe Chevy could use Geo.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26,29 Elon should, and probably is trying to get state laws changed, but if he really wants to sell in all states, why not work something out to use Autozone, Midas, Costco, or some national chain as franchise dealers?

  36. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.autonews.com/regulation-safety/california-stop-buying-gm-toyota-and-fca-vehicles-over-emissions-fight?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20191118&utm_content=hero-headline

    Bad for Toyota and GM and FCA, good for Honda, Ford and VW. I doubt BMW will benefit much since these are state vehicles, they are not supposed to be fun or luxury.

  37. Larry D. Says:

    Yesterday I was surprised to see three different Citroen models in the space of a few feet here. That is more than all the Fords I have seen here in Nov so far (one Focus and one Lincoln with the ugly grille). There are plenty of Buicks, many Chevys (usually smaller models) and a few Caddys, lots of VWs and even Skodas. The E 260 Long I saw yesterday, on a different recent E class than the several I saw a week ago, did not look as good, even tho it was also in the usual black on chrome,. I think the styling of that speficic redesign did not lend it to “L” versions.

  38. buildmore2doors Says:

    Can’t see what all the fuss is about, the Mustang Mach-E is little more than an electric Ford Escape with a really stupid name and outrageous pricing, even for an electric car, and especially one from Ford. Yawn.

  39. Kit Gerhart Says:

    35 That will be especially good for Ford, as all new highway patrol cars will be Ford trucks, not Chargers.

  40. Larry D. Says:

    38 In fact the article says they bought close to $70 mill of Fords and only 0.5 mill or so of Hondas. Despite the significant popularity of Hondas (and TOyotas) in CA, where they can live for ever, in the absence of rust.

  41. Larry D. Says:

    37 Why is the pricing outrageous? Starting price is $43k and you get a performance car, not a compliance ev like the much smaller Bolt and Leaf. AND you get the $7,500 tax credit (plus additional state and local tax credits as applicable) you can’t get either on the Bolt or on any Tesla.

  42. Kit Gerhart Says:

    40 The base RWD Ford will have about the same performance, at least acceleration, as a Bolt. The 4wd long range is about a second quicker, according to estimates. For those who can use the full $7500 tax credit, the base Ford will cost only about $5K more than a base Bolt, with current “incentives,” and the Ford will look pretty much like a Tesla Y, from a side view.

  43. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a29637862/new-mid-size-sedans-compared/

    5 midsize sedan test: 5th-Subaru, 4th-Nissan, 3rd-Camry, 2nd-Sonata, 1st-Accord.

    Even though the Accord won without its available manual (the only car in the group that offered one), which would probably reduce its price and increase the driving satisfaction. They chose it with the accursed CVT for “parity”.

    PS I read some CVT cars fake gearshifts. Now how stupid is that? (hint: very)

  44. ChuckGrenci Says:

    43, And the traditional auto gets smoother and smoother; oh the humanity. lol

  45. Kit Gerhart Says:

    43 Interesting review, but I find it strange the the writers seemed to LIKE the fake gear shifts of the CVTs.

    I’ve driven hybrid versions of two of them, the Honda, and the Camry, which I own. Much of what they say about the displays of Camry does not apply to mine, which has an upgrade from the stripper special they tested. I mostly liked the Accord, but the thing that sold me on the Camry was the powertrain. The current Accord hybrid matches the Camry in mpg, but has some clutches and things that add complexity, and you sometimes feel them doing things. I like the completely seamless operation of the Toyota hybrid powertrain. No fake shifts, and I don’t want them.

  46. Kit Gerhart Says:

    44 CVTs are everywhere, but the biggest engines using them, that I know of, are Nissan V6s of around 300 hp. Apparently it would be hard to make them strong enough for more power than that, or the transmissions would need to get too large.

  47. Lambo2015 Says:

    27 If this isn’t Tesla cheerleading I don’t know what is.
    “Yet they get the $7,500 utterly undeserved break awarded only to the LOSERS and NOT to the SUCCESFUL EV sellers, and so are Audi and Jag and all the other Tesla Wannabes,”
    I don’t understand your reasoning at all. It sounds like you feel the only ones that should get the tax break are manufacturers (Tesla) that are successful which really means successful in Larry’s eyes. To you it would seem fair to use tax payers dollars to provide tax credits on EVs but only to the manufacturer that is what? Has the best selling EV? The incentive is to promote the sales of EVs not help make any one manufacturer succeed. Your obvious distain for Ford has blinded you to what possibly could be the first real competitor to Tesla and is also an American company. As you have said many times (in ref to Tesla) you should want to see an American company succeed.

  48. cwolf Says:

    47) BRAVO!

  49. Lambo2015 Says:

    47 cont.. First you say that the credits should only go to the successful EVs and then follow that up with.

    “Not my idea of fun and fair play, when the WINNERS and SUCCESSFUL makers are not even ALLOWED to sell their car in my state and 26 other states, while the losers are given a $7,500 from the POOR taxpayers to the more affluent.”

    So you do, or don’t want fair play? I’m so confused by your flip flopping. Wouldn’t fair play require Tesla to also use dealerships like all the other manufacturers? The cost of a Tesla would probably go up a few thousand with the addition of a dealer network. Not that I agree with that requirement but in YOUR desire for fair play and equality shouldn’t Tesla be required to play by the same rules? They can easily be sold in your state and the other 26 all Elon has to do is allow independent dealerships to sell the vehicles. Actually quite simple fix if he truly wanted to increase sales.