AD #2734 – GM EV Sales Target, Why Automakers Attach Screens to Dashboards, USMCA Close to Approval

December 10th, 2019 at 11:36am

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Runtime: 7:16

0:07 USMCA Close to Approval
0:45 GM EV Sales Target
1:40 GM Loans Workhorse $40 Million
3:00 Why Automakers Attach Screens to Dashboards
3:33 Ford Ends GoRide Health Service
4:05 Mercedes & Bosch Launch Autonomous Service
4:31 Aston & Airbus Tease Helicopter
5:04 Car Sales Down in China
5:42 GM Sells JV Stake to Avtovaz
6:08 How UPS Saves Millions in Gasoline Costs

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43 Comments to “AD #2734 – GM EV Sales Target, Why Automakers Attach Screens to Dashboards, USMCA Close to Approval”

  1. Larry D. Says:

    “The car market in China continues to slump. Automakers sold 1.97 million passenger vehicles in November, which is a drop of 4% compared to a year ago. It’s the 17th decline in the past 18 months in the country”

    The Chinese economy has been slowing down from its amazing real growth rates for a year or two already, and the drop in car sales is no surprise. But to put things in perspective, you need to remind your audience that these 1.97 “low” auto sales in China is a number we would not even dare dream in the far wealthier USA, where our monthly sales are between 1.2 and 1.5 million tops, and our annual sales are 17 mill at best, while China’s have been as high as 30 Mill a year, and they will SURE go back to that number, and after a few years or a decade, may even go to 50 million a year!

    And let nobody fool themselves that the cars sold in China are cheaper than the ones sold here, they are just as, or even more, much more, expensive!

  2. Lambo2015 Says:

    UPS gas savings: Traffic circles would probably help a lot too if only Americans could figure out how to use them.

  3. NormT Says:

    I think Kip and Larry should be invited to media’s drive of Lordstown Motors new EV truck!

  4. Larry D. Says:

    3 When is that? It’s a 3 hour drive from here, I could easily to it in a day, but the problem is neither of us is “media”.

    BTW the latest world auto sales, for 2018:

    1. China, 28.08 mill (even as it was down almost 3% from a year earlier)

    2. USA, 17.32 mill

    3. Japan 5.19 mill

    4. India, with almost the same population as China, 3.92 mill

    5. Germany, 3,72 mill

    Dedicated to all those who mention “China and India” in the same sentence, as if they are of equal or similar economic size.

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    Heard at lunch that the USMCA was approved.

  6. George Ricci Says:

    On the topic of big screens attached to dashboards instead of integrating them into the IP. Being attached to dashboards makes them look like an after thought just thrown in there in the cheapest way possible. I can’t thing of one vehicle with the attached design that has put in a larger screen after the car’s IP has been designed. Maybe John knows on one?

    I prefer the integrated look to the attach look.

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    4 Trucks are taking over the world, with SUVs making up more than a third of global sales.

    I’m a lot more than 3 hours from Lordstown, at this time of year.

  8. XA351GT Says:

    When did congress actually have time to pass USMCA ? It seems they’ve spent all their time trying to crucify Trump for what Biden actually did.

  9. James Says:

    Estimates are that Tesla’s Gigafactory 1 is producing batteries at a rate of about 30 gigawatt hours per year RIGHT NOW. So no, GM’s future 30 GWHr/yr plant is not 50% more than Tesla. At best it would be about equal with Tesla, but only if Tesla stopped increasing its own capacity, which it will not do. Good for GM for putting some real skin in the EV game though.

  10. Roger Says:

    #2 I hate roundabouts. And contrary to what cities think they do NOT help traffic flow. In rush hour it is near impossible to enter and get around. I end up going blocks out of my way to avoid them.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 The house has passed hundreds of bills, that have not been brought up in the senate by a certain senator from Kentucky.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    9 I like roundabouts, but maybe that’s because I spent enough time driving in Europe to know how they are supposed to work. It seems that most Americans don’t know how to drive roundabouts. Roundabouts take up a lot of space, though.

  13. Larry D. Says:

    10 Same for Pelosi, there is a very important and bipartisan bill for much needed lowering of drug prices and she refuses to consider it. BTW both Pelosi and especially Joe Biden seem totally off their rockers recently. Biden is certifiedly senile. Hope Bloomberg runs and gets nominated.

  14. Larry D. Says:

    9 Roundabouts are OK but one always is afraid the other drivers don’t know how to use them, that they will not yield etc, so in reality you end up wasting valuable time worrying what the others will do and be extra defensive.

  15. Larry D. Says:

    9 If GM does not find a way to make BEVs efficiently, like Tesla, and not rely on its SUVs and Pickups to cover for the billions in losses, as Lutz admitted here, it will not have a sustainable future in BEV prodution.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13 Bloomberg is running, and I’m seeing some ads already. So far, he is not very high in the polls, but at this point, polls mean nothing, and in most cases, early primary wins mean little, for either party.

    14 I like roundabouts for places where there are 5 or more roads entering an intersection. In places where there a lot of roundabouts, people know that you yield when entering, and have right of way while in the roundabout, but there are so few of them most places in the US, that people don’t know how to drive them.

    15 GM might be a successful battery supplier, even if they don’t do well at selling EVs. There are a lot of unknowns about all of this, but I don’t see electric pickup trucks being a hot item with the “lifestyle” buyers, who make up most of the pickup market in the US. Time will tell.

  17. Buzzerd Says:

    I really like roundabouts, they move traffic and are the safer alternative. You can also lights, stop signs and ramps to improve traffic with in the roundabout if traffic isn’t moving. Other thing I’ve seen in Europe that works is combing a stop sing and traffic light. If the traffic light is operating it takes precedence and if not then the stop sign takes priority. This is used for intersections with high traffic during peak times but a lot less during the off cycles.
    I’ve heard that some places make traffic inside the roundabout yield to traffic entering but I’ve not seen that and it seems a little dumb to me.

  18. merv Says:

    really looking forward to autoline after hours on thursday

  19. Albemarle Says:

    Roundabouts work with light and medium traffic. During rush hour they bung right up. Stop lights work better then. So the trick is to have roundabouts with stop lights used at rush hour. They work.

    I am not saying that UPS are wrong in their ‘only right turns’, BUT in our town with bridges over a river, there is no way only right turns would save time, gas or accidents. You would be constantly going around the block rather than make a left turn across 1 lane of light traffic.

  20. Wayne Says:

    Single lane roundabouts work fine but when you have double lane entry and exits they get a bit hectic and dangerous due to drivers not knowing how to use them. I would like to see accident statistics comparing single lane, double lane roundabouts and lighted intersections with similar traffic volumes.
    Have seen images from the UK of roundabouts that are connected to other roundabouts. That would be absolutely scary here.

  21. Buzzerd Says:

    @20 the things you are almost eliminating with roundabouts is the head on or T bone type collisions which are the most dangerous. Especially for motorcycles. They could possibly have as many fender benders but I would think deaths are very rare. I’m for just about anything that adds corners to a road, that’s where the fun is!

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21 Roundabouts are espially good with light traffic, so you can take an extra quick lap.

  23. BobbyT Says:

    20, we have a triple roundabout in Brighton MI. It can be a bit scary at times, but the statistics say there are fewer serious accidents since they were installed about 10 years ago.

  24. buildmore2doors Says:

    Roundabouts make great skidpads during no- traffic situations, say around 0300 coming back from some late night mischief.

  25. XA351GT Says:

    # 13 Larry D , yeah ole’ Quid Pro quo Joe had a Spinal Tap moment. Addressing the New Hampshire residents as Iowans To which he got a lot of WTF looks from the crowd. As they say go home Joe you’re drunk.

  26. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Roundabouts work well in my community but these are all on secondary roads (single lane) roundabouts. They can back up in heavier traffic but personally I think they trump stoplights (especially the stupid stoplights that can’t adapt to the actual traffic).

    Thanks for the explanation of why they attach those screens to and not into the dash; still don’t like them. And I think they may be more dangerous in a crash (but that’s just a speculation; don’t know that for sure).

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26 They can certainly cause a crash, if you need to use the screen in the center of the car to turn on the windshield wipers.

  28. BobbyT Says:

    27,26: That’s for sure . Screen buttons have no tactile feel, so you have to take your eyes off the road to find them. Sometimes I have to pull off the road to do it. Also, when I’m wearing gloves in the winter,I have to take them off or the buttons won’t work. Thank God for heated steering wheels!


    27) That is a huge annoyance with the TESLA X I drive for work. Almost everything is on the screen with a series of sub menus to the sub menus. You need autopilot just to use the screen at times. I am sure the iPhone generation thinks scrolling through menus to find the right app while driving is perfectly intuitive. I just don’t think it is neither intuitive or safe.

  30. Lambo2015 Says:

    6 I think Ram has about the largest integrated screen in the IP. I find the excuse that the size may change to be a rather lame excuse. They already know they can get a touch screen made to whatever size they want. Technology is not dictating the size its a matter of if they can package everything on a screen they want to control without making the buttons too small.
    So they should pick a size that looks good in the car and design the screens to work within that size. Rule of thumb, when in doubt go bigger.

    I grew up in a rural farmland where the busy (relative term) intersections had only one street stop with a stop sign and a blinking red light. The main road would have a yellow blinking light. Not sure how many people I saw that would stop at the yellow blinking light but it was often. Most of them have now been replaced with 4-way stops which is horrible as people struggle even with that. They don’t know the law, that the person to the right has the right-a-way if two vehicles enter at the same time. Everyone talks about doing right by the environment and making a difference but we waste a lot of gas with stop and go traffic and sitting at lights. I really like the traffic lights that are traffic controlled and wont change unless a vehicle enters the crossroad. They are great for traffic but not so great for motorcycles. I’ve had to run a few lights on the bike where the light wont change.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30 The same thing has happened where I grew up in central Indiana. Nearly all of the two way stops have become four way stops, or automatic signals. Four way stops reduce the chance of high speed crashes, compared to two way stops, but they are very wasteful of fuel, brakes, and time.

    I have the same problem with the automatic signals when riding motorcycles. Some of them will detect a bike, some of the time, but I have never figured out if there is a best place to ride through the detection area, to be detected.

  32. JWH Says:

    #17 – Unless it has been revised the Arc de Triomphe in Paris has vehicles in the roundabout yielding to traffic coming from the right. I’ve known a couple of people that unfamiliar with the area got pushed to the inner lanes. You need to be fairly brave & bold to navigate the Arc.

    #23 – The double roundabout on the west side of US23 at Lee road is too close together & too small in diameter with too many lanes for efficient traffic flow. Our county road commissioner has said that you need to know what lane you want before entering the roundabout. I always enjoyed the roundabouts in the UK especially if you don’t know where you are going. Do a full 360 around the roundabout to review all your choices and then exit the second time around the circle.

  33. Larry D. Says:

    Τhe tiny Aygo, a Toyota sold in Europe also under two other makers names, never offered in hybrid form, may go BEV.

    PS Toyota dealers I know thought a Yaris would be a much better buy than an Aygo.

  34. Larry D. Says:

    Just in a few months time, 1,000,000 more Teslas produced worldwide, when the Shanghai AND the Berlin Area plants reach full production.

  35. Larry D. Says:

    if the other drivers know what they are doing, roundabouts are fine. I am using two of them every week several times, and I always wonder if the other drivers will obey the yield sign or we will have a collision.

    Drivers here do NOT always know what the hell they are doing. Many are Chinese grad students and their spouses, who are only now learning how to drive, and I see them practicing at 2 MPH on the empty lots on weekends. Many others are far from perfect.

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    32 When I’ve been in Paris, I’ve mostly walked and used the Metro. I like driving in the French countryside, but driving in Paris doesn’t look like much fun.

    I drove in London on two occasions in the early ’70s, and on a few occasions, did an extra lap to find the correct exit from roundabouts. I was in Scotland in the navy, and had a couple months to get used to driving on the left in lighter traffic, before going to London. I don’t think I’d want to fly to London, and rent a car at an airport now.

  37. Larry D. Says:

    Germany is dead serious about BEVs and already has passed the biggest BEV sales leader, Norway, in Europe.

  38. Larry D. Says:

    Don’t even think of trying to outrun this one. Not your father’s Crown Vic

  39. ChuckGrenci Says:

    31, Kit, my road detection (for stoplights) is a box (you can see it in the asphalt) with a line down the middle (as seen front to back). My highway department says that one should, if on a motorcycle, ride right up that middle line. It doesn’t always work but our state has a law that states that if a signal doesn’t work, one may go through the intersection (with prudence) after an unspecified time (I usually wait at least one minute).

  40. Lambo2015 Says:

    38 I know most their lights are LED now but I wonder how much all the Police equipment will reduce range with the computers and scanners and other equipment they need.

  41. Lambo2015 Says:

    39 Yeah same here on running the light. I will wait about what it should take for the light to cycle and if it doesn’t then I’ll go when its clear. Even with that small problem I like the lights being traffic controlled and not just cycling because its time with not cars waiting to cross.

  42. Kit Gerhart Says:

    39 Thanks. I’d never heard that, but if I can see the lines, that’s what I usually do. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn’t. I’ve heard that it is legal to go after a certain period of time, but I don’t know what the time is, so I look for police cars, and if I don’t see any, I go. Actually, police cars seem to be a dying breed. Most of the new police cars I see are Ford SUVs. I’d think EVs, as the Tesla Larry linked in #38 should be good, if they aren’t going to be used all the time.

  43. Ukendoit Says:

    #3) If you are talking about Bosom Buddies, it is Kip & Henry. (But I’m guessing you were referring to Kit & Larry.)
    Re: Roundabouts, the DOT just started installing them in North Georgia a few years ago. I love them for all the touted reasons, but was not looking forward to the native GA drivers attempting to navigate through them. I was wrong, they took to them well and it has really improved the local traffic. There is talk of adding more and I welcome it. Once the majority of vehicles are autonomous and V2V/I is in place, most intersections should be replaced with these and the flow of traffic would rarely need to stop.