AD #2735 – Chevy Introduces New Tahoe & Suburban, Nissan Sentra Updates, Honda Plans Quality Reforms

December 11th, 2019 at 12:11pm

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Runtime: 10:10

0:07 Tesla to Build 500K Vehicles Per Year in Germany
0:51 Porsche Receives 30,000 European Taycan Orders
1:23 How Color Influences Comfort
3:11 Chevy Introduces New Tahoe & Suburban
5:25 Is GMC a Truck or Luxury Brand?
6:20 GM SUV Production Running All Out
6:55 Nissan Sentra Updates
8:12 Nissan To Offer Extended Test Drives
9:00 Honda Plans Quality Reforms

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35 Comments to “AD #2735 – Chevy Introduces New Tahoe & Suburban, Nissan Sentra Updates, Honda Plans Quality Reforms”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    From CR’s data, the Hondas with the quality problems are the expensive ones. Both Acura CUVs, MDX and RDX, have much lower than average reliability in the CR surveys, unusual for any Japanese nameplate vehicle.

  2. Mac Says:

    GM didn’t mention anticipated take-rates for the new diesel Tahoes, Suburbans, and likely Yukons; but I’ll bet it approaches 25% within a year. One of the biggest gripes with these leviathans is their abysmal fuel mileage; the 3.0L will go along way toward addressing that while improving towing ability in the process. Wonder how it will take Ford to offer their 3 liter in the Expeditions. . .?

  3. Larry D. Says:

    2 in 100% city driving, short distances, cold starts, I used to barely get 10 MPG with my 4.4 lt V8 in the 1998 740iL, and now get twice that under the same driving conditions from my 3.0 lt turbo diesel E 320 Bluetec, which weighs only 10% less than that 740iL.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    In the Chevy pickups, the diesel gets substantially better mpg than the gas engines, albeit on much more expensive fuel. The V6 doesn’t look too great. Even the 5.3 V8 gets better mpg.

    https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=41821&id=41824&id=41818&id=41819

  5. Larry D. Says:

    4 diesel is NOT “much more expensive”. It is barely 10% more expensive, and the savings are HUGE, 30-50% or more, vs gas.

  6. Larry D. Says:

    4, 5 using your own numbers on the link

    27 MPG vs 17 MPG is a WHOPPING 87%+ better fuel economy.

  7. Larry D. Says:

    6 oops its 85.7%, not 87%. Not that it makes any difference.

  8. Larry D. Says:

    oops2, don;t know what’s wrong with the calc, now I get a more reasonable 58.8%.

    27 MPG is 58.8% better than 17 MPG. Far outweighs the 10% or even 20% higher diesel prices (in the US, overseas diesel is cheaper than gas and makes it a no brainer, if you are allowed to buy a diesel there)

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5 It depends on where you are. Where I am, diesel is 30% more expensive than regular gas much of the time. To me, that is “much more expensive.” Yeah, if it’s only 10% more where you are, you save on fuel cost, and your car is old enough that it doesn’t need urea, like the newer diesels. Of course, when buying a new vehicle, you need to consider the extra, probably about $3500 over the 5.3 V8 in most GM trucks that offer it.

  10. Rickw Says:

    @ #3, Larry,
    Your trying to compare apples to oranges.

    The question #2, Mac, was asking is for the BM and Ford Large SUV’s.

    Nobody asked to compare the BMW sedan or the Merc mention by you.

  11. Rickw Says:

    #10, I meant to say GM and Ford.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    6,7,8 Almost no one buys these trucks with the 4.3 V6, with the 17 mpg combined mpg. Most have the V8, with a 19 mpg rating. The diesel would do 42% better than that one. Of course, the gas one with the best fuel economy is the 2.7 turbo four, which the diesel beats by only 28.6%.

    In the end, it mainly depends on if you want to save money, or if you like diesels, though the new GM diesel, by accounts I’ve read, works very well. Also, a little surprisingly to me, the 2.7 turbo four used in pickups also works pretty well.

  13. XA351GT Says:

    Diesel vs. Gas, If you look at certain metrics they both have the plus points. For me even with the lower mileage that added costs of diesel doesn’t sway me. The vehicles are usually more expensive when direct model to model comparison. I don’t know about Michigan where Larry is but in PA gas is $2.65 and diesel is $3.40 . So based on mileage vs cost of fuel they nearly equal each other. Diesels tend to need more routine maintenance then the gas version do , but if you need pulling torque Diesel is the way to go. So both have their up and downsides and winds up being owner preference as it usually is.

  14. XA351GT Says:

    That should have read the lower mileage of gas the added mileage of diesel doesn’t sway me.

  15. Larry D. Says:

    9 Even the extreme 30% is a far cry from 58.8%, it is barely half that gain. And in other places such as here, at times gas and diesel are almost the same price.

    In addition you get the very important benefits of the diesel for pickups and SUVs that tow.

    If gas was even remotely competitive to diesel in serious, commercial applications, why do you think every last 18 wheeler is diesel and none of the millions or so of these vehicles is gas?

  16. Wim van Acker Says:

    @5 The diesel-powered vehicles are amazing. Have had two Jeep Grand Cherokees with the 3.0 L diesel engines. More torque than the 5.7 L V8 HEMI gas engine, and fuel sippers. Would have leased a third one if they would have had it available. Buying my latest one after the lease did not make sense financially, the price was too high for a model which will change in a year or two. Based on the diesel powered GM vehicles on today’s show I just checked for the JEEP Wrangler and just to be sure the GC. The diesel powered Wrangler can be ordered next month.

  17. Larry D. Says:

    10 How can it be apples and oranges when I compare a 4,000 lb vehicle with a 3 lt 6 which has actually far greater torque than my 740iL 4.4 lt v8 had, and which weighed less than 4,400 lbs????

    It is a Perfectly fine comparison.

  18. Larry D. Says:

    13 These differences are not as big every day, you remember the peak differences, but at other times the differences are much smaller and next to zero.

    On Average, here diesel is $2.99 vs $2.59-$2.69 for gas, which makes it barely 10% more expensive, and the savings with the diesel are at least three times that, PLUS you get far superior performance and towing, esp for a pickup or SUV.

    Again, think of all the millions of serious trucks and trains who do the vast majority of freight transport in the USA.

    IF gas is such a serious alternative to diesel, how come NOT ONE 18 wheeler or train uses gas engines?

    .

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 Pickup trucks and 18 wheeler are quite different. For those who often use their pickups for towing heavy trailers, the diesels certainly make sense. For the majority of pickup buyers who never tow or haul anything, the diesels would be cost effective if they drive a lot.

    From the build and price tool in the Chevy web site, you have to get at least the “LT” trim level to get the diesel, and the diesel costs $5310 more than the 5.3 V8. Maybe other stuff comes with the diesel for that price, or maybe it doesn’t. Anyway, it would take a while to make up that $5300 in fuel savings, unless you drive a lot, and in a location where gas and diesel prices are similar. Of course, if you don’t keep the vehicle very long, you might get that $5K back in resale value.

  20. Thirsten Says:

    We should all welcome GM to the 21st century as the last company on the planet to move to IRS.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 Yeah, except for pickup trucks, there aren’t many non-IRS vehicles left. I don’t know about the pickup-based Toyota and Nissan SUVs, like Sequoia and Armada, but the current Expedition has IRS.

  22. Kevin A Says:

    Sean, Can you shed more light on the Nissan-Carlos Ghosn pay issue? What I have read suggests that Carlos’ “crime” was “deferred compensation” which is legal in the US and Europe but not in Japan. Is that your understanding?

  23. Lambo2015 Says:

    Diesel engine for light duty trucks is kinda like buying an EV to me. If your doing it simply to save money on fuel its probably actually a loss or at best a wash. You buy one cause you are using it for towing or just like Diesel better. Same with EVs, you buy them cause you like something about it other than saving money.
    I think manufacturers do it more so they can run commercials saying they offer a half ton with almost 30mpg. They don’t say its diesel until you get to the dealership and realize that’s a $5000 option. But hey why your there lets show you something else.

  24. Wim van Acker Says:

    @23 your point is 100% accurate in my case: I buy a diesel-powered vehicle for its ride and handling thanks to its torque, not to save money. Saving money is possible, though: buy it used and drive many miles and leverage the longevity of the engine. My sister lives in Western Europe and she and her husband own 5 Mercedes vehicles, a convertible and 4 diesel powered station wagons. They purchased all vehicles new over time and in the meantime the “newest” diesel has driven 250,000 miles. As to the concerns many people have about the durability of the engine and transmission: of the oldest vehicles of my sister the engine and the transmission are virtually the only components still working well: everything else, the airco, the power seats, the speedometer, everything has broken down (and was not repaired). They had to throw away two G Wagens which could not survive driving through Atlantic Ocean water on the beach and not rinsing after the drive … My brother-in-law blamed poor build quality for it.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Gas is making a comeback in medium duty trucks:

    https://www.trucks.com/2019/03/13/isuzu-adds-two-gas-powered-medium-duty-trucks-to-lineup/

    I read in another article that Ford is taking market share from Freightliner and Navistar in Class 6 and 7 trucks, because they offer gas engines in them. The engines are apparently the V10 that has been around forever. The gas engines would make sense only for lower mileage use, not for over-the-highway use, with 50-75K miles a year.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    24 It sounds like that sea salt was rough on those G-Wagons, like the road salt is rough on all vehicles in the northern US.

  27. Wim van Acker Says:

    @26 all I will say is: my brother-in-law is a doctor and my sister is a linguist, they are clearly not engineers …

  28. joe Says:

    A relative buys nothing but Honda in spite having many problems with them. Some people are just too thick to learn that Honda are no longer are good cars.

  29. buildmore2doors Says:

    Sean, the answer to your question is, GMC is a luxury truck brand.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 Exactly, professional grade luxury trucks, as opposed to amateur grade.

  31. Drew Says:

    I filled the fuel tank today. Regular petrol was $2.39/g. Diesel fuel was $2.99/g. This makes diesel 25% more expensive than petrol. In normal driving (not towing heavy loads), diesels consume about 25% less fuel. This make the operating cost of diesels equivalent to petrol. But we know diesels have higher acquisition costs, higher oil change costs, and added DEF costs. Somewhat offsetting these higher costs are the hopes of a higher resale value for a diesel.

    Bottom line, diesels are a tough sell from a financial practicality perspective…. unless you regularly tow heavy loads (wherein the diesel fuel consumption advantage is more than 50% better than a petrol).

  32. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I haven’t seen any comment on the Suburban and Tahoe interiors. Seems to me that they have made some strides in addressing some concerns some have had; I never thought that they were that far behind their competitors but they do look like they are nicer than previous.

  33. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2019/12/can-evs-go-the-distance-eu-approves-e3-billion-battery-development-fund/

    US soon to be a distant third after China and Europe in BEVs.

    Funny, since still the only successful EV company (with maybe the exception of the odd chinese maker) is in the US.

    PS I can’t believe Porsche has got 30,000 reservations for the Taycan and Taycan so-called “Turbo” (Guffaw). Just looking at their front end with that long discharge like oval coming from each headlight is a turnoff already.

  34. Larry D. Says:

    https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/europe-may-tighten-co2-emissions-targets-green-deal?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20191212&utm_content=hero-headline

    This too. Should boost Euro BEV sales.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    32 I’m hoping the interiors are good. That seems to be the big complaint about the pickups they are based on. If the SUVs have “new improved” interiors, they can be used in the pickups.