AD #2744 – Ram Outsells Silverado For First Time; Bosch Fights Sun Glare; Daimler & Volvo Consider Engine Partnership

January 6th, 2020 at 11:45am

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0:07 U.S. Car Sales Down In 2019
0:38 Ram Outsells Silverado For First Time Ever
1:39 Syd Mead Passes Away
2:19 New Emission Rules for Heavy Duty Trucks Coming
3:08 Daimler & Volvo Consider Engine Partnership
3:44 Lambo Introduces Rear-Wheel-Drive Huracan EVO
4:38 Aston & Airbus Unveil Helicopter
5:16 Segway Expands into Electric Bikes
6:12 Bosch Fights Sun Glare

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63 Comments to “AD #2744 – Ram Outsells Silverado For First Time; Bosch Fights Sun Glare; Daimler & Volvo Consider Engine Partnership”

  1. Buzzerd Says:

    Nice to have Autoline back, I like the new studio. Sun glare- I just wear a pair of sunglasses, problem fixed.

  2. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I suppose Chevy plus GMC big pickups outsold Ram, but it’s still impressive that Ram is doing so well. The ride, and nicer interior of the Ram really helps sell trucks ot all of those “lifestyle” buyers. Also, the Ram looks good for a big pickup, at least to me.

  3. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’ll have to play the video and see what the new studio looks like. I mostly just read the transcript.

  4. Larry D. Says:

    Actually, Sean, sales were above 17 million units for the fifth year in a row, and contrary to the Ward’s estimates you cite.

    https://www.autonews.com/sales/us-sales-fall-2019-still-top-17-million

    “Ford, the last automaker to report, came in with a 1.3 percent decline for the fourth quarter. That put total light-vehicle sales for the industry at 17.1 million for 2019, the fifth-straight year above 17 million. ”

    Maybe Ward’s overestimated the decline in Ford sales.

  5. Cozy200 Says:

    The new chevy truck is ugly! Front and rear. The Ram is a very handsome design and Ford will need to watch their backs also.

  6. Larry D. Says:

    2 When the latest Silverado looks like the (not bad looking) Silverados from the 90s, what do you expect.

    Ford sales (I saw them in detail) in December were 10% cars and 90% trucks. For 2019 as a whole, they were 16% cars (and 84% trucks, for the math challenged). In 2020, I bet they will be 5% cars and 95% trucks, and they did it without much loss of market share, and I am sure with far bigger profits than if they kept selling money-losing Fiestas, Foci and Tauri.

    Hopefully this will also make car sales by their competitors more profitable, and they will keep offering good cars for sale.

  7. Larry D. Says:

    https://wardsintelligence.informa.com/WI964405/Toyota-Hybrid-Mix-to-Rise-Again-in-2020-Space-Race-for-Hybrid-and-Electric-Leadership

    “After nearly doubling its sales of the vehicle last year to a record 92,525, Toyota is planning even more volume for its RAV4 Hybrid in 2020.

    “We’ll go beyond 100,000 for 2020 for (RAV4 hybrid volume) .­..”

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The Ford, Chevy, and Ram pickups all have very poor reliability in CR’s survey, but the Ram had the best ride, quietness, etc. The Tundra is more reliable, but is thirstier, and much less refined than the others.

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7 They’d sell even more RAV hybrids, if they’d sell them without 4wd, as in the rest of the world. Maybe they don’t want to sell too many, due to battery shortages or something.

  10. Albemarle Says:

    It’s apparent to me (maybe incorrectly), that most pickups are not sold for real work. If you really use your pickup, like they do in the oil industry for example, Ford is a major player, with Chevy a distant second. Ram is nowhere unless you are a couch surfing cowboy, imho.

    Bosch’s visor is a great idea, but I really worry when the sun is in the other guy’s eyes, particularly with traffic lights.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It’s very rare to see an Alaska tag where I am in Florida, but one showed up in my condo parking lot a few weeks ago, a Toyota Tundra. Even though they are crude and thirsty compared to others, the better reliability would be a good thing for a ~5000 mile road trip, where some of the roads are probably pretty bad.

  12. Buzzerd Says:

    RAM came out with a great product and I think GMC is stealing sales from the Silverado also.
    I would expect an update to the Silverado sooner than later with a larger infotainment screen – how did the one they have now get OK’d and there are rumours of coil suspension from the Tahoe migrating over also.
    Also – looks are very subjective and time sensitive. Over the years it’s been interesting to see people declare new styles ugly and then a few years later the old is fine and the now new one is ugly. What’s worse than ugly is boring aka the Titan, fairly forgettable styling, what little it has.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12 Is the interior of the GMC big pickup different from the Chevy? I haven’t seen either, but hear bad things about the Chevy, but hear nothing about the GMC.

  14. Buzzerd Says:

    @10 it sometimes depends on lease contracts and or dealer availability. I used to do some pipeline work and at the time Trans Canada pipeline used only Chevy because that’s who won the lease bid… or someone had a friend with a Chev dealership. Up north a town may have only one dealership so for convince it’s just easier to deal with them unless you really want something different.

  15. NormT Says:

    That is Ram truck and Ram Classic truck combined sales!

  16. Drew Says:

    Kit, all of the full-size pickups are very good quality products (CR’s staff have Yankee frugality in their veins that favor small/mid-size cars, but have little open-kindness for trucks). Some pickups have slight edges in a particular attribute; others have edges in other attributes. So, the choice comes down to brand preferences based on past experiences, price/deal, or aesthetics.

    Each of the domestic 3 trucks has their own distinctive design. But the Nissan is a mis-match of other brand designs, specifically being a very bad copy of the Ford and Ram designs. IMO

  17. Larry D. Says:

    Motorweek just had a test of four midsize trucks. The cheapskates did not include a Tacoma because Toyota did not give them one for free (and it’s still the best selling truck in this segment). They tested the Ridgeline, the GLadiator, the Ranger and the GMC Canyon “Denali” which, despite the upscale label, was all hat and no cattle, had a poor interior, and finished dead last. The Gladiator, which cost $10k more than the others, AND is a new truck, finished second from last, had a ton of weaknesses. The Ranger did well, second, and the Ridgeline took the Gold, AND was the cheapest of the 4 to boot! That is very unusual, domestic cars and trucks used to always undercut Hondas and Toyotas in price (similar models)

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 CR’s reliability survey shows sub-par reliability for the Ford, Chevy, and Ram pickups, but their “road test” results are much better for all of them, than for the Tundra and Titan, with Ram the best.

    Does anyone here know if people or businesses that buy F-150s for actual work buy the turbo V6s, or do they avoid the complexity, and get V8s, or the non-turbo V6, if they don’t need the power?

  19. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I expect Chevrolet will update their pickup interiors to something in the line of what was shown in the updated Tahoe/Suburban. That may help with that critcism to their detractors. Also, in addition to sales that went to GMC instead of Chevy (I suspect there are some even though there are staunch Sierra buyers that wouldn’t buy a Chevy in any case) and then Colorado sales that have also siphoned some sales from the main truck line. With Ram having no more Dakota, I wonder if that doesn’t also play in favor of Ram.

  20. Larry D. Says:

    8 What does CR mean exactly? In my book all pickups are really unrefined, not just the Tundra.

  21. Jonathan Says:

    Personally the 16.97 SAAR is amazing…this is one of the longest rallys for auto sales in the USA. Im very imoressed as should analysists.

    Merryl lynch analysts predicted a major drop by 2021 to the tune of around 14 or 14.5 million units.

    Dare I say the analysts earlier predictions are going to less than accurate considering hiw massive and strong the SAAR continues to be?

    As far as the two ram models under the same name? Old and new version sales? I tend to think even though the ram trucks are excellent theor oricing on the older version is quite the give away…i believe taking that into consideration we can combine gmc and chevy pickup sales. These two have more in common than the two dodge pickups being labelled one model in my opinion.

    As far as the amazing huracan evo rwd ripping off zero to sixty times in 3.3 seconds…i cant help remember back to the rear mid engine rear wheel drive c8 tearing to 60 mph in 2.8. seconds …obviously there is so much more to the huracan lambo…and above 100 mph Im sure the performance gap of the evo grows much stronger….still the c8 run to 60 mph…the corvette c8 z51 tears off is a real achievement.

    Thanks for the great report and I like your evolving studio.

  22. Lambo2015 Says:

    FCA was smart in the changes they have made to the Ram. Yep many trucks on the road today are being used as the family sedan and maybe only have the occasional need for an actual truck. Knowing this Ram made the 1/2 ton more comfortable and functional for that use. The coil springs offer a better ride over the competition and the large touch screen works well and looks like it belongs in the truck and not some added on after-thought. Plus something else Ram is good at, going all the way back to the “stow and go” seating of the caravan is the Ram takes advantage of under floor storage and just making good use of any vacant space. Having a well publicised engine like the “Hemi” doesn’t hurt when it has become so popular in the other FCA products. And the topper that probably pushes them over the top with buyers is the Ram can be had for thousands less than Ford or GM. Plus they offer lease deals that cannot even be touched by Ford and GM.
    So with a lot more women driving them, and them not being used as a work truck the sleeker more refined design seems to be more attractive than the heavy duty bold look that Ford and GM have been pursuing. Which is kind of funny when you think back to what really turned thigs around for the Ram truck, which was when they changed to the Mack truck front design back in the 90s.

  23. MJB Says:

    I’d like to see a version of that Bosch sun visor tech for use at night to block the obscene brightness of all these new LED and laser headlights.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 Motorweek seems to be an outlier, in rating the Chevy/GMC last. Both Car and Driver, and CR’s “road test” scores put the GMs second to Ridgeline, with Ranger 3rd, and Gladiator 4th, for “normal use.” C and D liked the Gladiator as a toy, but it didn’t do so well in their actual comparison.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17,24 Also, in Motorweek’s “driver’s choice” awards, their favorite mid-size sedan was the Altima, not in that position often, and a Genesis and Volvo also made the list. I’m surprised you are quoting Motorweek.

  26. Larry D. Says:

    25 I quoted MW, I did not endorse it. As a matter of fact, I never took this town crier who hosts the show seriously, and others in his team are worse, some seem to be completely auto illiterate, and nobody talks normally, they just parrot what the writers write for them. Looks like some employees were socially promoted.

  27. Larry D. Says:

    24 Jeep is a very profitable brand, but it is far more of a ‘cult’ following than Tesla, which has also become a very valuable brand name, but it delivers cars with exhilarating performance at prices not higher than ICE equivalents, hence, unlike Jeeps, they are actually good value even to those who are not ideologues and would not buy them anyway. Jeeps are very unreliable, I know several owners of v8 Grand Cherokees who may have liked them but hated to take them to the shop all the time.

  28. Larry D. Says:

    Accurate 2019 Sales numbers: (add up to over 17 million. Numbers are for Dec 19, Dec 18, 2019 and 2018: (just got the email)

    U.S. LIGHT VEHICLE

    1,543,471 1,627,534 -5.2%

    17,108,156 17,318,961 -1.2%

    *

    The top 7 cars in Dec, Camry, Corolla, Accord, Civic, Altima, Elantra AND Model 3.

    In that order, BUT Honda and Tesla do not do fleets, and many Nissans and even more TOyotas (Nissan has cut fleet sales down, one more reason it was down 30% in Dec).

    Also, the model 3 is FAR more expensive than the mass market 1-6 finishers.

    Speaking of cheap BEVs, that dude Fisker popped out of the tailgate of his crossover, which is also supposed to be very affordable, 30something K. I wonder how he pulled it off. The breadvan did not look bad in the video.

  29. ChuckGrenci Says:

    21, Jonathan, pretty much agree with everything said (I’m a Corvette fan from pretty much forever so….) Anyway, adding that the C8 also tops out at 196 mph, non spoiler, unless the C8 is just too pedestrian (and you have to have the ‘Lambo’), for 1/3 the price, C8 should be ‘your’ pick.

  30. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2020/01/fisker-crossover-appears-in-california-production-slated-for-late-2021/

    Less than $38k. The Fisker Breadvan.

  31. Larry D. Says:

    29 I am sure they will eventually have “ZR1″, “ZO6″ or whatever versions of the C8 which will have far higher HP and far faster acceleration than the base C8, and still cost half what the Italian exotics cost AND beat them in performance.

  32. Drew Says:

    @21 – A 17M Industry volume may sound great, but it represents a benchmark prior to the Great Recession with the population was nudging up to 300M. The population is now over 350M, and interest rates are dirt cheap.

    My point is that an impressive industry volume would be 19M. But, the industry, including our government’s meddling that has added about $1k in costs per unit, has abandoned entry level buyers. While the Detroit 3 can be cited for much of this migration, even the Korean brands have shifted focus to more expensive SUVs and luxury cars.

  33. merv Says:

    dodge outselling chevy is pretty big news,good for them. I like that new Lambo but wonder why only a 7 speed trans,when so many other brands have up to 10. Great show as always.

  34. Lambo2015 Says:

    Segway can expand on their traditional stand up devise with one that allows you to sit down but what all these manufacturers of mobility devices seem to forget is not everyone lives in California. The electric bike is cool but if they really want to provide something that will allow people to move around within a city it really needs to be enclosed.

    No one is going to take the train to downtown Chicago, NY or London for that matter, in their suit and jump on a bike or scooter or even this sit down Segway to finish their commute to work. Between the rain, snow and the wind you can basically rule out the women altogether. Put an enclosure on that chair thing and you might find some interest outside of the sunshine states. Just seems all these mobility devices are created for L.A and no regard to the adverse weather everyone else deals with.

  35. Victor West Says:

    Kit,
    The RAV4 hybrid is not an all time all wheel drive. I have one. The rear electric motor only activates to aid acceleration and if wheel slippage is detected. It adds horsepower and torque. It is inactive in normal driving.

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 The Ram, especially, rides well and is quiet. That’s what they mean by refinement. That 141 inch wheelbase helps the ride, along with the coil rear suspension.

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    35 Yeah, the way it works, it doesn’t add a lot of weight or cost, but if I were in the market, I’d much rather have maybe 75 pounds less weight, and $500 less cost, whatever the difference is. When I have time to kill, I’ll try to find the weight and price difference in one of the markets where they sell the FWD version.

  38. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28 Do you have any data on the hybrid/non-hybrid Corolla sales numbers? Doesn’t Civic usually outsell Corolla? Maybe the availability of the hybrid is why that has changed. The Corolla hybrid is. basically, a less practical, but more attractive Prius, using the same powertrain.

    31 I suspect the 0-60 acceleration of the base C8 is pretty much traction limited, so the “hotter” versions won’t be much different for that run. More power will substantially reduce 0-150 mph times, though.

  39. Kit Gerhart Says:

    34 I’d lost track of Segway, after the first couple years of hype from Dean Kamen, who developed it. I didn’t know the Segway company had been sold. A much more worthwhile Dean Kamen developed, Segway-related gadget, is a self balancing electric wheel chair, called iBOT, that will climb stairs.

    https://techcrunch.com/2016/05/23/ibot-wheelchair/

  40. JWH Says:

    #38 – Agree with comment regarding higher power C8′s may not be much faster 0-60. Limited traction is major reason C8 “base” is much quicker 0 -60 than C7 Z06 & even ZR1.

  41. Kit Gerhart Says:

    40 Yep, that 44-56, or close to that, weight distribution really helps the low speed acceleration.

  42. Larry D. Says:

    38 did not see any. I may get Ward’s detailed numbers today which might give that breakdown.

    Re the c8 higher power versions, how can the others get lower acceleration times? ((11 Turbo, Italians)

  43. Don B. Says:

    Reply to Kit #2, yes over 800k with Sierra added to Silverado.

  44. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Well, when you get to a 2.8 second 0-60, there’s not much more room for improvement. 2.5 is probably achievable but then traction gets tricky even with four wheel drive. The upcoming Vette models, ZO6 and ZR1 will probably nudge the 2.8 a tad with the ZR1 rumored to have an axillary electric boost (think KERS-type) to the front wheels; the ZO6 is rumored to have a flat-plane double overhead cam turbo which should help after getting off the line. And unless you’re at the track, a 0-60 around 5 seconds is more than adequate (and there’s good argument that 7 seconds is too).

  45. Lambo2015 Says:

    44 With some real sticky drag radials on it I’m sure the numbers could improve especially in AWD versions. Or do they achieve those numbers that way already? I assumed they were tested on stock tires.

  46. Larry D. Says:

    44 my point was that traction should not be a problem just for the C8 but for its far more expensive rivals as well, so how do they do it (and get much lower accel times?)

  47. Kit Gerhart Says:

    42 A lot of the Italian exotics are now 4WD, which lowers acceleration times given their high power/weight. Also, tires make a difference for cars with high power/weight. The acceleration of any of today’s high powered cars is limited by the ability to get power to the ground, at lower speeds, in the lower gears.

    44 The ~12 seconds 0-60 of the diesel Jetta I had a few years ago was adequate. The 8 seconds of my Camry hybrid is more than adequate. The ~4 seconds of my Corvette is far more than adequate. A fully loaded 18 wheeler does 0-60 in about 3 minutes, and they go down the road pretty well. Of course, different people have different ideas of “adequate.”

  48. Kit Gerhart Says:

    “Launch” from 0-10 or so has a major effect on 0-60 times, when you are talking about very quick cars. That’s where EVs shine, because the torque is immediate from 0 rpm. Old fashioned torque converter automatics can be very good at launch, because you can have the engine at high enough rpm to spin wheels, while churning oil the the converter at a stop.

  49. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Here’s the best rundown on pickup sales in the U.S. that I’ve seen, over at TFLtruck: link if you want to get the skinny on 2019 truck sales:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yOdqycOlM

    Yep, I was referring to ‘more than adequate’ when I stated 5 and 7 second 0-60.

  50. Larry D. Says:

    https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/japanese-prosecutors-obtain-arrest-warrant-ghosns-wife?utm_source=breaking-news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20200107&utm_content=hero-image

    ooooh… “Carlos’” poor little trophy wife is now accused by those bad Japanese of lying under oath in court!

  51. Larry D. Says:

    https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/production-volumes-models-teslas-european-factory-confirmed-official-notice?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20200107&utm_content=article8-headline

    It’s official. The Berlin-Brandenburg Tesla plant also to make 500,000 a year (as the Shanghai Plant), starting with the 3 and the Y but also including other models.

    It will not be as cheap as making them in CHina, of course, but it’s always nice to serve your local markets and not be subject to tariffs and local politicians bitching you are not creating jobs in the market you sell to.

  52. Larry D. Says:

    https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/production-volumes-models-teslas-european-factory-confirmed-official-notice?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20200107&utm_content=article8-headline

    It’s official. The Berlin-Brandenburg Tesla plant also to make 500,000 a year (as the Shanghai Plant), starting with the 3 and the Y but also including other models.

    It will not be as cheap as making them in China, of course, but it’s always nice to serve your local markets and not be subject to tariffs and local politicians b-tching you are not creating jobs in the market you sell to.

  53. Lambo2015 Says:

    51 Wonder if Musk has plans to do any refreshes to his designs. The S is an old design in terms of automotive lifes. The Model 3 is already into its 3rd year and by time the Berlin plant is ready will likely be starting its 5th year. However maybe Elon just figures if it aint broke don’t fix it! they are selling fine so why bother with a refresh. Just kind of surprising no changes seem to be in the future while most other vehicles get a change every 2 to 4 years.

  54. Larry D. Says:

    Τhe stupid site does not allow me to read the article, but the title is clear, how important is China. Musk going there for the launch of the Model 3 made in his gigafactory, completed in record time in Shanghai.

    https://www.autonews.com/sales/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-visit-shanghai-debut-china-made-model-3-report-says?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20200106&utm_content=article7-image

  55. Kit Gerhart Says:

    52 Maybe they will take the VW type 1 approach, with just minor changes for about 40 years. I haven’t driven a Model 3, but from various reports I’ve read, they need to work on ride quality, and wind and road noise, but except for the nose, the styling should continue to look good for many years.

  56. Kit Gerhart Says:

    49 Interesting. Of the big trucks, only Ram and Sierra sales are up. Sierra probably took sales mostly from Silverado, and Ram took sales from everyone else.

  57. Kit Gerhart Says:

    53 I have a free account with autonews, and it worked for the article. There may be a small limit of articles, though.

  58. Larry D. Says:

    56 We have many accounts for autonews, and the one I am using in my laptop allowed me to see all the articles, but the one on my office desktop has a very low limit. It has been so many years, I have forgotten the usernames and passwords of those U-wide accounts ( each relevant library or Transp Institute has one)

  59. Larry D. Says:

    57 the limit on my desktop is for the US Autonews only, I can still see all the articles on Autonews Europe (ANE).

  60. Larry D. Says:

    In Tesla-hostile MI, at least in my town, but also driving out of it in the Detroit area, I keep seeing more and more Teslas, and the breakdown of the models has changed from many S and Xs to mostly Model 3s.

  61. Larry D. Says:

    Cybertruck :Automobile Magazine Concept Car of the Year. (for whatever it’s worth)

    https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-cybertruck-concept-car-of-the-year-award/?fbclid=IwAR34WHIC8oy6JYcEptlhB0I0BDqwRGp6Iq2dR3VWjfCmOXOXMch810ay7dI

  62. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/01/07/china-tesla-cramer-elon-musk-squawk-street.html

    Noisy crazy Jim Cramer is now a believer in Tesla, but for the right reason, its CHINA deal.

  63. FSTFWRD Says:

    Sean,
    I like the new set. Good job, and it’s not too busy. And, BTW, hair and beard are fine too. I see no changes necessary.