AD #2745 – Nissan Creates Sound Reducing Meta-Material; Hyundai Teams w/ Uber on Passenger Drones; Mercedes AVTR Concept

January 7th, 2020 at 11:32am

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Runtime: 7:12

0:24 Tesla Officially Opens China Factory
1:07 Nissan Creates Sound Reducing Meta-Material
2:06 Toyota to Build City of the Future
2:48 Hyundai Partners with Uber on Passenger Drones
3:30 Ford Expands Trial of Delivery Robots
4:28 Mercedes Reveals Concept Inspired by AVATAR Movie
5:29 Continental’s Speakerless Audio System Gets 3D Treatment

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41 Comments to “AD #2745 – Nissan Creates Sound Reducing Meta-Material; Hyundai Teams w/ Uber on Passenger Drones; Mercedes AVTR Concept”

  1. Larry D. Says:

    slow news day except for Musk in China. But you did not show his little (bad) Michael Jackson Dance-imitation?

    (Musk seems in a very good mood lately… and with good reason!)

  2. Larry D. Says:

    That Model Y looks nothing like an SUV or even a crossover. It looks more like a taller Model 3, and is most similar to those lame tall coupes and 4-doors from Merc and BMW, forget what they call them.

  3. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Looking at the full year sales numbers, I see that Mitsubishi outsold Lincoln, Volvo, Infiniti, and a few others. That kind of surprised me, given the constant talk about the imminent departure of Mitsu from the U.S. market.

  4. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Sound reducing material: eh, maybe (a good product)

    Ford’s delivery robots: is that quick time ‘harch’, I love quick time ‘harch’ (tongue in cheek and a reference to “History of the World, Part 1″)

    Speakerless Audio System: Driver to their passengers, don’t put your arms on the armrest, there is a real nice vibrato coming up on this selection (audio play).

    I know, don’t quit my day-job.

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    2 The Model Y would be the Tesla I’d buy, if I had a place to charge it. Other than the mild lift, it’s kind of like a gen 3 Prius, at least from the side view. They should offer an optional lower version, so It wouldn’t look as much like those Mercs and BMWs you mention.

  6. Larry D. Says:

    3 “I see that Mitsubishi outsold Lincoln, Volvo, Infiniti, and a few others. That kind of surprised me..”

    This should not surprise you at all, as all 3 brands you compare Mitsu with sell far more expensive vehicles. IF Mitsu knew what it was doing, it should sell ten to thirty times what these niche makers sell.

    It is a testament to Mitsu’s gross incompetence and poor offerings in the US market that even the once tiny Subaru sold more than 700,000 vehicles in 2019, with an average price (I’d bet) far higher than that of Mitsu, while Mitsu barely sold 100,000.

  7. Larry D. Says:

    2 In fact I saw one of these ugly things on the road yesterday, it was a black Merc based on the smallest crossover the GLC, probably two door, looking like a bulky tall coupe. Did not work for me. But I guess Tesla has done their homework and market surveys when they claim that the Y will outsell all existing Tesla models taken together (S X and 3)? Which is not really saying much, since the S and the X together sell 1/4th to 1/5th what the 3 sells, so the statement merely says the Y will sell 33% more than the 3, which is pretty good, but not as much to write home about..

  8. Larry D. Says:

    5 I’d only be interested in the Model S. The Y may be slightly more utilitarian re cargos, but the S and the 3 also can be quite good at that, given their fastback (not hatchback!) design.

  9. Larry D. Says:

    The Tesla design chief (Franz von Holzhauser or something) was with Mazda before, and I think he knows what he is doing, with all Tesla designs (except the Cybertruck) looking quite similar to each other, esp the 3 and the Y, both mass market models, it will reinforce the brand’s distinctive styling, essentially you will be ‘seeing double’ when you see them in traffic.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7 The Y will mainly take sales from the 3, having more utility with the hatch, and, assumingly, a similar price. With the low center of gravity of BEVs, the Y’s handling won’t suffer as much as with a lifted gas vehicle.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 The S is a hatchback. The 3 is not.

  12. Larry D. Says:

    3 I took a look at your link and the ranking of US sales for the top automakers and the most shocking change over last year is that now Tesla is the US’s number ONE luxury maker!

    No 12, Tesla, 367,500 sales

    No 13, Merc, with probably 10 times the models than Tesla, only 357,729

    No 14, BMW, same story, 324,826,

    No 15, Lexus, similarly, 298,114

    No 18, Audi, 224,929

    No 20, Acura, 198,385

    No 21, Caddy, 156,246

    No 24, Infiniti, 117,708

    No 25, Lincoln, 112,204

    No 26, Volvo, 108,234

    No 27 Porsche, 61,768

  13. Larry D. Says:

    11 No. The S is a Fastback, as is the 3, and even the Audi A7.

    Hatchbacks look nothing like Fastbacks.

    Hatchbacks are cheap econoboxes. Nobody would buy a Panamera or a Model S if they looked like a Hatchback, and had to pay 6 figures.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13 Hatchbacks and liftbacks are the same thing, cars that the trunk lid includes the rear window, giving a large opening. Model S, A7, Panamera, Prius, A5 Sportback, 4 series Gran Coupe, and a number of others all qualify. Cars with trunk lids that don’t include the rear window are sedans, like Model 3, Camry, Accord, A4, and many others.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Here’s a review of the Tesla Model S Hatchback.

  16. Kate McLeod Says:

    Funny, I so don’t care about a car fashioned after an Avatar movie “series” ugh. But that’s just me. But, wow on that battery news. That’s fabulous.

  17. Bob Wilson Says:

    The State ban on Tesla doing any business including repairs means owners must take things in their own hands. So far, independent car repair shops haven’t figured out how to get parts (their phone dialing fingers are broken?) and thus deny themselves well-off, Tesla owner, repair income.

    After hitting a curb, I’ve been replacing the bearing on my Model 3. The front bearing was easy: one 10 mm bolt, two Torx bolts, and three hex-heads holding the bearing assembly. First time, it took ~2 hours. The rear bearing takes: one 10 mm bolt, 32 mm axle nut, two Torx bolts, three bearing bolts, and the boot clamp.

    Turning a wrench saves money and recalls long dormant skills. It increases the bond with my Tesla.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 What bearings?

  19. ChuckGrenci Says:

    16, AVTR battery, sounds good but no range was given. If it is low range but it’s going to get better, then we have a here we go again. Even lead-acid is great to recycle but heavy and not great range. It’s getting better (battery technology) all the time but no battery has hit the entire sweat-spot yet. There is cost, complexity, recyclability, range, weight, etc.

  20. Drew Says:

    @13 – There is a difference between a fastback and a hatchback. A fastback is a style description for a vehicle that has a flowing backlite profile (not a notch; not a 2-box). A hatchback is a functional description for a vehicle that has a large rear cargo opening that includes the backlite…. distinctive from the liftgate term which is applied to an SUV/CUV/MPV 2-box silhouette.

    The Tesla Model S is both a fastback and hatchback. The Mustang is a fastback (trunk, no hatch). Nearly all SUVs/CUVs use liftgates.

    Sure, we use the hatchback term for the 3-door/5-door variants of small cars (e.g., Sonic, Fiesta, Versa Note, Mazda 3, But the Buick Regal and BMW X4, X6, GT are also hatchbacks, whereas the X3, X5, X7 are 2-box liftgates. Clearly, not all hatchbacks are econoboxes.

  21. Brett Cammack Says:

    I thought Mitsubishi was pretty damned shrewd to jettison their slow sellers, liquidate their underutilized domestic production capacity, and concentrate on the fast-growing small and midsized CUV market, leaving only the Mirage for low cost transportation buyers.

    All of this reflects what the larger, higher-volume companies have come to only recently. Mitsubishi makes a fine product an we have been consistently delighted with ours.

    Did Subaru do a better job of branding their vehicles and growing their market than did Mitsubishi? Heck, yeah. Subaru has been a smashing success. Nonetheless, Mitsubishi has discernably improved their products year after year and have recovered market share the past few years.

    I consider them to be a sort of “premium value” marque where you get something pretty darned nice for what you pay. Not luxury, but eminently comfortable and useful. I’d buy another Outlander in a heartbeat if I had the money, but there’s nothing wrong with the one we have, so I’m fine with that.

    A new 2020 Outlander PHEV would be nice to have, though…

  22. Larry D. Says:

    21 Subarus are extremely affordable for what they actually offer you. WHat are you talking about calling them “premium”?

    WHo else has a three row big SUV like the Accent, with AWD, for only $31,000, much LESS than even the $35-37k Average transaction price in the US new car market?

  23. Larry D. Says:

    22 The Ascent, not Accent.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 Good description, and yeah, Panamera, A7, and Model S are clearly not econoboxes, but are hatchbacks.

    21 The Mirage gets such consistently bad reviews that maybe they should drop it, but CUVs seem to get at least ok reviews, and you like yours. They are a pretty good value, but so are Subarus. A base Forester is about the same MSRP as a base Outlander. The base Forester has 4WD, while the Outlander is FWD. I don’t know what either has as standard equipment beyond that, but I’d guess they are fairly similar.

  25. Larry D. Says:

    24 For the Nth time they are FASTBACKS. Their back window looks NOTHING like my (very good looking BTW) 91 Civic HATCH back, which was almost VERTICAL.

    WHY do you make me repeat the obvious?

    WHo in his or her right mind in the USA would pay 6 figures for a HATCHBACK????? QED that the Panamera and the Model S and the A7 ARE NO CHEAPO ECONOBOX HATCHBACKS. Period, and end of discussion. N

    Now, as SNL’s Linda Richman said in Coffee Talk, talk amongst yourselves, I’ll give you a topic. Kit will convince himself (and nobody else on the planet) that the ROlls Royce WRAITH (the current BMW -Rolls model, not the oldies) is a “Hatchback” and Brett that Subarus are premium and Mitsu is doing great and has great models in the US. Anybody else want to join them?

    Get a clue.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25 Yes, Model S and A7 are fastbacks, but they are fastback HATCHBACKS. A Mercedes CLS is a fastback, but it is a fastback SEDAN, because the trunk lid doesn’t include the rear window. Can’t you understand the difference? Again, hatchbacks come in many prices, as do sedans. What don’t you understand about that?

  27. Brett Cammack Says:

    Yeah. WTF do I know, only owning them for twenty years.

    I did not say Subarus were Premium. Your reading comprehension sucks. Just another soul that doesn’t listen or read to understand, but to reply.

    Passenger vehicles that have a rear opening device that includes at least the deck lid and window (commonly referred to as a “hatch” is a “hatchback”. In the most basic of terms, most CUVs and SUVs are hatchbacks, as is the A7, the Model S, etc. You can argue ’til you’re blue in the face, but it doesn’t change the semantics of the language.

    I often what color the sky is where you live, Larry. It’s blue over here where we live.

  28. Bob Wilson Says:

    #18 -Wheel bearings. Awesome units, the ABS sensor is in the kingpin which makes replacement easier than the ones with the ABS sensor in the bearing assembly.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28 Thanks for info. I thought that was probably it, but hitting a curb and replacing wheel bearings didn’t seem to go together.

  30. GM Veteran Says:

    The Camaro and Firebird of the 80′s and 90′s were also hatchbacks. A hatchback is not a style, its a type of door and also usually indicates how much of the interior space you can access. A trunklid only allows access to the trunk area, while a hatchback allows access to the rear storage area and the rear seating area.

  31. GM Veteran Says:

    I don’t know where TheFastLane gets their sales number for Tesla, since Tesla inexplicably has never broken out sales numbers by country. Automotive News provides an estimate of 223,000 sales for the US, based on several different parameters, but it is still just an estimate. If they are close, then Tesla falls well below the Germans in sales for 2019 in the US market. Wild estimates and inaccurate reporting help build the Tesla mystique with the faithful who continue to boost the laughably high stock price.

  32. Lambo2015 Says:

    25 Id pay 6 figures for the hatchback Lamborghini Huracan EVO. Which technically is a hatchback and how you access the rear trunk space.

  33. GM Veteran Says:

    And, for official confirmation, here is a link to the government’s website where they classify the Model S as a hatchback.

  34. Larry D. Says:

    33 I have only seen this last post after I left here yesterday.

    So we have “official confirmation” by the Auto Experts (NOT!) at the EPA that the Model S is a Hatch, eh? THis should end all discussion. NOT!

    This is the same clueless EPA that classified the Chrysler PT Cruiser as a (don’t laugh) TRUCK? WHich CHrysler wanted to do so it would rise its dismal Truck MPG back in 2000 or so?

    Is this the same clueless Fuel Economy site that gave Hybrids far more MPG than they actually got, for decades, AND at the same time Gave DIESELS far lower MPGs than they actually got? (and this has nothing to do with the recent diesel scandal).

    Now you know how much respect I have for these fools and their ratings. The same idiots rate huge 5,000 lb Rollses and Bentleys as “SUBCOMPACTS”, because of idiotic rules playing around with dimensions and capacities, that do NOT have ANYTHING to do with reality.

    So now you know how much, if ANY, respect I have for that ludicrous EPA classifications of hatches as trucks or fastbacks as hatches or for day as night.

  35. Larry D. Says:

    34 con’t I could go on and on about this ridiculous Government outfit the EPA Fuel Econ site.

    These are the same idiots that allowed Ford to claim that infamous 47-47-47 MPG for several vehicles, only ONE of which was EPA Tested, the others got it because they just shared the same powerplant with the first, AND NONE of them even passed 39 MPG in real life.

    They are utterly discredited in my book. But anyway, since they have no “Fastback” classification, which REALLY is what the Model S, the Panamera, and the Silver Wraith are, classifying them as “hatchbacks” was their only, and RIDICULOUS, (given the US public definition and perception of a hatchback as a cheap econobox) option.

    Still, if you got time, you can have some fun at the EPA’s expense if you go to that link and find out if they also call the Silver Wraith a “Hatchback” or they were saved from ridicule by calling the 5,000+ beast a “coupe”.

    BTW, from now on I will consider my two E 320 Sedans (2007 and 2008) as “4 door coupes”. Given their styling, this is an INFINITELY more accurate classification than those by the EPA above. And sue me if you disagree.

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    34 The EPA calls the Model S (and A7) hatchbacks because they ARE hatchbacks. Yeah, a loophole in the law allowed Chrysler to call the PT Cruiser a truck.

    You still don’t get it. Fastback is a meaningless term used for sloped back cars, probably started in the ’60s for one of the Mustang body styles, or maybe before. A hatchback is clearly defined in this forum by various people. How can you not understand?

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    34 Oh, and since you don’t seem to know, the “subcompact car,” “midsize car,” etc. classifications are based on cabin volume, not weight, length, etc. They indicate the “usefulness” of a car, as it were, which is the point.

    Here are three hatchbacks, and a large subcompact two door, with small cabin volume for its size.

  38. Bob Wilson Says:

    #34 – “Is this the same clueless Fuel Economy site that gave Hybrids far more MPG than they actually got, for decades, AND at the same time Gave DIESELS far lower MPGs than they actually got? (and this has nothing to do with the recent diesel scandal).”

    I was driving Prius in 2006 when diesel advocates complained the EPA numbers were wrong. So I used the ‘user reported’ MPG for both diesels and Prius (see web link.) Turns out the EPA was pretty accurate.

    Today, I would scrape data from to compare and contrast hybrid vs diesel performance. But owning a Std. Rng. Plus Model 3 and BMW i3-REx, I don’t have a dog in that fight.

  39. Lambo2015 Says:

    37 Seems like you guys are arguing about a whole lot of nothing. Kit you already know you cant change Larry’s mind on anything especially when he does his, “End of discussion” but then will post 12 more times. You can provide data that says otherwise. Just face it, he lives in his own reality. Allow him to live there in peace and harmony and believe he is always correct. The rest of us know better and take his comments for what they’re worth. He likes confrontation and you feed into it. Let it go!

  40. Kit Gerhart Says:

    38 I averaged about 10% below the EPA combined number with Priuses, and now with a Camry LE hybrid, but I am kind of a “lead foot.” As I remember, I about matched the EPA numbers with a manual transmission 2004 1.9 TDI Jetta wagon, but had heard that automatic VW diesels of that time did less well relative to the EPA numbers.

    I just looked up a 2004 VW diesel on CR’s web site. It was an automatic, and matched the EPA combined rating of 32 mpg in the CR tests. It did 0-60 in a “barely adequate” 14 seconds. My manual may have been a little quicker than that, but 14 seconds 0-60 was seriously slow, even in 2004.

  41. Kit Gerhart Says:

    39 Yeah, probably so.